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FRONT PAGE  |  8/23/2019
SUNDAY, MAY 24, 2009  |  17 comments
Animals can tell right from wrong
Scientists studying animal behaviour believe they have growing evidence that species ranging from mice to primates are governed by moral codes of conduct in the same way as humans.

Until recently, humans were thought to be the only species to experience complex emotions and have a sense of morality.

But Prof Marc Bekoff, an ecologist at University of Colorado, Boulder, believes that morals are "hard-wired" into the brains of all mammals and provide the "social glue" that allow often aggressive and competitive animals to live together in groups. ...


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Adokimos  Find all comments by Adokimos
MikeInVA wrote:
Heres some solid food for you.
Ecc 3:1821
For the lot of man and of beast is one lot; the one dies as well as the other Both have the same life-breath, and man has no advantage over the beast; but all is vanity
Both go to the same place; both were made from the dust, and to the dust they both return
Who knows if the life-breath of the children of men goes upward and the life-breath of beasts goes earthward?
Luke 3:6
6 AND ALL FLESH WILL SEE THE SALVATION OF GOD.
Colossians 1:16
16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities all things have been created through Him and for Him.
Colossians 1:20
20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.
Psalm 36:6
6 Your righteousness is like the mountains of God;
Your judgments are like a great deep
O LORD, You preserve man and beast.
I hope you are not saying that animals are saved
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News Item6/1/09 10:33 AM
MikeInVA | Northern VA  Find all comments by MikeInVA
Heres some solid food for you. It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 1 Corinthians 15.
Ecc 3:1821
As for the children of men it is Gods way of testing them and of showing that they are in themselves like beasts
For the lot of man and of beast is one lot; the one dies as well as the other Both have the same life-breath, and man has no advantage over the beast; but all is vanity
Both go to the same place; both were made from the dust, and to the dust they both return
Who knows if the life-breath of the children of men goes upward and the life-breath of beasts goes earthward?
Luke 3:6
6 AND ALL FLESH WILL SEE THE SALVATION OF GOD.
Colossians 1:16
16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities all things have been created through Him and for Him.
Colossians 1:20
20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.
Psalm 36:6
6 Your righteousness is like the mountains of God;
Your judgments are like a great deep
O LORD, You preserve man and beast.
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News Item5/27/09 10:18 AM
Mark M. | GA in DA Obamanation  Contact via emailFind all comments by Mark M.
Animals can not be held accountable for what they do because they are fallen creatures. I've heard one preacher say that animals are all flesh, Angels are all spirit, and that man is the only creature given a mind to decide between the flesh and the spirit based on his knowledge of the word of God. You can take that for whatever it might be worth. I believe God can bring our pets back if we want them, it's not like it would be hard for Him, and that there will be animals with us during the 1000 year reign of Christ in their unfallen forms. The lion laying with the lamb and whatnot. I don't believe in a 'doggy heaven' or hell for that matter, because the animals won't be judged the way human beings will be. We have life saving and helper German Sheapards that do many nobel things, but the Nazis had the same dogs trained to kill. Is the behavior linked to the dog or to the human that trained them? Look at Zigfreid and Roy's tiger. The tiger wanted to save its master, but because a human's neck is different than a tiger kitten's, it very nearly killed him. Should that tiger be held neglegent?
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News Item5/26/09 5:20 PM
Pathfinder  Find all comments by Pathfinder
I think animals know right from wrong but they have a different right from wrong than what humans have.Animals right from wrong goes like this if it keeps me or one of my close relatives alive thats right.If it doesnt then that wrong.But I am first.Animals dont care about lying or stealing or adultery or killing or God or idols or cheating or being mean or being nice or saying thanks or nothing.Animals dont even care if they are naked or what they do in public either.You wont find an animal excuse themself to go do there business behind a tree or something they will do it right in front of everyone.They know about one thing and thats staying alive and keeping there young ones alive for most animals and making more of thier own kind.Thats about all they know about right and wrong and dont ask them to share any of there food with another animal if they are hungry themselves.Right for animals is what they can get away with and they dont care.If they are in heat forget it.
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News Item5/26/09 12:45 PM
Rodan  Find all comments by Rodan
melony wrote:
my hamster puffie won't run in her wheel on saturdays i think she might be jewish
If she's "White", you should change her name to Ellen G!
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News Item5/25/09 9:35 PM
melony  Find all comments by melony
my hamster puffie won't run in her wheel on saturdays i think she might be jewish
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News Item5/25/09 9:19 PM
jj  Find all comments by jj
Nonsense.

My cat knows when I am angry, and then he forgets about it over time and goes for his impulse again.

This is a far cry from a conscience.

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News Item5/25/09 6:00 PM
Woof  Find all comments by Woof
Mike wrote:
Then there's the barking Calvinist, who thinks man has rational thinking, the ability to discern right from wrong, yet has no free will which is necessary for rational thinking and discernment. Barking up the wrong tree?
Is that Adam's tree of moral discernment, Mike?
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News Item5/25/09 4:54 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
barking wrote:
Its the old debate about instinct and rational thinking.
Animals have no need for rational thinking therefore they use instinct.
Yes animals have emotions and can feel.
A wild animal can bring another animal down kill it and eat it. Thats the way they shop for food and is part of survival. Unlike mankind they simply kill to eat, man kills his own kind for a variety of reasons animals generally do not. That code in the animal kingdom is higher than mans is all to often.
Domesticated animals have "trained" man to feed them and keep them.
Right and wrong, moral discernment is part of rational thinking which the animal does not require.
But then there is Arminians who believe they can contribute to their own salvation. Now thats one that I just cannot fathom.
Then there's the barking Calvinist, who thinks man has rational thinking, the ability to discern right from wrong, yet has no free will which is necessary for rational thinking and discernment. Barking up the wrong tree?
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News Item5/25/09 4:18 PM
barking  Find all comments by barking
Its the old debate about instinct and rational thinking.

Animals have no need for rational thinking therefore they use instinct.
Yes animals have emotions and can feel.
A wild animal can bring another animal down kill it and eat it. Thats the way they shop for food and is part of survival. Unlike mankind they simply kill to eat, man kills his own kind for a variety of reasons animals generally do not. That code in the animal kingdom is higher than mans is all to often.

Domesticated animals have "trained" man to feed them and keep them.

Right and wrong, moral discernment is part of rational thinking which the animal does not require.

But then there is Arminians who believe they can contribute to their own salvation. Now thats one that I just cannot fathom.

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News Item5/25/09 3:56 PM
DJC49 | Florida  Contact via emailFind all comments by DJC49
Candle Lit wrote:
Animals do not sin, but some do know "right from wrong."
Trained animals learn only "approved and disapproved" behaviors as taught to them by their masters through the use of reward & punishment. There is NO ethical element or internal moral code underlying their behaviors!

You can train a dog to do almost anything WITHOUT him having any pangs of conscience. Or perhaps YOUR dog is so ethical that he would never allow you to train him to do something against his moral code! You could probably easily train a dog to STEAL the next door neighbor's newspaper out of his driveway without your dog having much guilt about it. Of course, after a while, all his pent up accumulated guilt and shame will see him calling a psychoanalyst after it "got to him" and he thought about it for some time.

Trained animals sense and respond to their master's displeasure and exhibit what their silly masters interpret as "shame" or "guilt."

The whole notion of animals knowing "right from wrong" is utter nonsense.

You GOTTA SEE THIS:
[URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPaDpJJT8B8]]]Dumbest Dog in the World[/URL]!!!

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News Item5/25/09 3:45 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
"Human morality was not formed from scratch, but grew out of our primate psychology."

Wrong, it was formed from scratch, and no, it didn't grow out of our primate psychology.

"Wolves live in tight-knit social groups that are regulated by strict rules. If a pack grows too large, members are not able to bond closely enough and the pack disintegrates"

Rules? Wolves separate into other packs when the pack becomes too large for alpha wolf to control. New alpha wolves lead new packs.

"On three occasion the male monkey picked up tokens she dropped and inserted them into the slot and allowed her to have the food.

As there was no benefit for the male monkey, Prof Bekoff argues that this is a clear example of an animal's actions being driven by some internal moral compass."

Moral compass? Odds are the male monkey wasn't hungry, since he already knew how to get food.

While all the talk of animal empathy goes on, we should remember they are fallen creatures. They kill and eat each other, and no, it's not only rogue animals that do so. Ever watch a pet kitty kill a mouse? What animals do, they do because God has allowed it into their instincts. It isn't about them thinking it through on a right or wrong basis, weighing the decision, then acting.

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News Item5/25/09 3:02 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
Candle Lit wrote:
Is there any question that the same Creator of man, also created the animal kingdom, and that His fingerprint is on ALL of creation?
Candle Lit
Thank you for your wonderful post.
Saddly sometimes animals treat us human being so much better than we treat each other. Maybe we might learn something from them. Balaam could have.

Here is a link (if it works) to a short humorous video titled "The Dog"
www.projectgod.com/film.php?id=17

btw this is not an endorsement of everything on their site.

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News Item5/25/09 2:37 PM
Candle Lit  Find all comments by Candle Lit
Is there any question that the same Creator of man, also created the animal kingdom, and that His fingerprint is on ALL of creation?

Animals do not sin, but some do know "right from wrong." Dog owners who have trained their pets, know that their pets show shame when they have misbehaved.

Also, dogs have shown remarkable heroism in rescuing a person in danger. So, they "think."

Other animals, mourn the death of one of their kind, with an almost human like sadness - the gorilla is an example, also elephants.

Certainly, there is an agenda behind the group wanting to link the moral code of humans to animals, but that doesn't mean Christians have to reject that God has built-in to the animal kingdom qualities that are quite awe-inspiring.

Did anyone see the recent case of a mother dog and her offspring crossing a busy street in New York? - the mother was "downed" by a vehicle, and her son circled around her and stopped traffic until she could be helped. Now that required a certain measure of thinking that he probably had not received any training for.

So, NO, animals aren't sinners rebelling against God, but they do have a sense of "right and wrong" and contrary to what some say, they "think."

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News Item5/25/09 12:25 PM
DJC49 | Florida  Contact via emailFind all comments by DJC49
What utter foolishness!!!
This is anthropomorphism taken to new heights -- or perhaps new lows.

Animals with consciences?
Animals "hard-wired" with a moral code or ethic?
Animals differentiating between right and wrong?

Since when has any animal/mammal (other than Man) been made in the image and likeness of God and tasted the FORBIDDEN fruit?

If all this folderol is [cough] true, then an animal can go AGAINST his moral code and ......... SIN! Huh? Perhaps those animals who DO sin will then need a "kinsman redeemer" -- a member of it's own species to "save them."

This whole thing is insane and absurd!

Knowing right from wrong presupposes a standard to be adhered to.

As far as I can see, this whole thing about animals having moral codes of conduct is merely another attempt to put animals on equal footing with Man. Another attempt to blur the distinction between Man and the rest of the creatures. Another attempt to show that Man isn't all that different than chimps, dolphins, or elephants. Instead of these evolutionary nincompoops dragging down man, they're attempting to level the playing field between Man and animal by going in the back door -- building the animals up!

"Science" has lost its mind.
We can thank Darwinism for that.
And maybe Walt Disney!

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News Item5/25/09 11:14 AM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
If verified, these findings will not only be a help to animal rights groups, but will provide additional validation (not that any was ever needed) and make more compelling the account of the very complex response of Balaam's donkey (Numbers 22:28-33).
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News Item5/25/09 2:39 AM
Cezar | Midwest  Find all comments by Cezar
Great article.

This is what I've been trying to tell people.
The animals that act savage are the rogues. Just do a search and you will see many examples from man-eating tigers to grizzly bears

Also, this is just another nail in the coffin of the evolution theory.

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