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FRONT PAGE  |  6/18/2019
MONDAY, MAY 18, 2009  |  500 comments
After the Rapture: Atheist will deliver messages to those left behind
There are those who believe in the Rapture prophesied in the Bible. And there is Joshua Witter, avowed atheist.

They need each other.

At least some people think so -- those willing to pay Witter to be their post-apocalyptic postman, delivering cards and letters to their non-believing friends, relatives and neighbors who will be left behind when the Day of Reckoning arrives.

About 70 people have paid the Orlando man about $5 apiece to get their messages to those doomed to face the plagues, pestilence and darkness of Armageddon. ...


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Tony Lopez-Cisneros  Find all comments by Tony Lopez-Cisneros
Leopold Street wrote:
This...(LIE)...The Cure(???) for Dispensationalism(???)
"PHYSICIAN HEAL THYSELF" !

Albeit, If You, "leopold street", And THE REST Of You LIARS, DECIEVERS, SATANIC-VATICAN "JESUIT(IC)S", HERETICAL AUGUSTINIAN-REPLACEMENT-"COVENANT"-THEOLOGY-REPROBATES / HERETICS / APOSTATES & PRE-TRIBULATION-MILLENIAL RAPTURE DENIERS Want To See THE REAL TRUTH;

Just Read THE AUTHORIZED HOLY BIBLE SCRIPTURES & Take Them LITERALLY; As The LORD JESUS CHRIST, His 1st-3rd Century JUDEO-CHRISTIAN APOSTLES & PRE-POST NICENE ORTHODOX JUDEO-CHRISTIAN DISCIPLES Did: Like ST. EPHREM THE SYRIAN And ALL HISTORIC 66-BOOKED AUTHORIZED JUDEO-CHRISTIAN BIBLICAL-LITERALIST DISPENSATIONALISTS Have Been Doing: Up To THIS DAY In The 21st Century !

"LOOKING FOR THAT BLESSED HOPE AND GLORIOUS APPEARING OF THE GREAT GOD AND OUR SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST (AT THE PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE)." Titus 2:13 !

"FOR ALL THE SAINTS AND ELECT OF GOD ARE GATHERED, PRIOR TO THE TRIBULATION THAT IS TO COME, AND ARE TAKEN TO THE LORD LEST THEY SEE THE CONFUSION THAT IS TO OVERWHELM THE WORLD BECAUSE OF OUR SINS." Ephrem 2;9 [300s AD] !

"THEN (ALL) WE (ELECT SAINTS)...SHALL BE CAUGHT UP...IN THE CLOUDS, TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR...(FOR)EVER BE(ING) WITH THE LORD." 1 Thess 4:17 !

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News Item1/7/10 3:07 PM
Leopold Street  Find all comments by Leopold Street
Tony Lopez-Cisneros wrote:
A Thousand Years - A LITERAL MILLENIUM
Tony. This will help you see the truth!
[URL=http://www.againstdispensationalism.com/]]]The Cure for Dispensationalism[/URL]
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News Item1/7/10 2:01 PM
Tony Lopez-Cisneros  Find all comments by Tony Lopez-Cisneros
"seeing" Is Really Authorized Biblically & [UN]Holy-Spiritually BLIND:

John's VISION Or REVELATION Provides

Rev. 20

1. And I Saw An Angel Come Down From Heaven, Having The Key Of The bottomless Pit And A Great Chain In His Hand.

#This Description Taken From The Vision Or Revelation Is To Be Taken (Better Be Taken) Literally NOT "figuratively" !

#It Leads To The Next LITERAL Verse Which Is NOT "figurative":

2.And He Laid Hold On The Dragon, (LITERAL)
*That Old Serpent (LITERAL)
*Which Is The Devil (LITERAL)
*And Bound Him (LITERALLY)

*A Thousand Years - A LITERAL MILLENIUM !

3.And Cast Him (Satan) Into The Bottomless Pit (LITERALLY, The BOTTOMLESS PIT Or ABYSS) !

*And Shut Him Up, And Set A Seal Upon Him (LITERALLY) !

*That He Should Deceive The Nations No More. (LITERALLY) !

*Till The Thousand Years Should Be Fulfilled (LITERALLY) !

*And After That He Must Be Loosed A Little Season. (LITERALLY) !

*CAN ALL THE READERS & STAFF OF SERMONAUDIO NOW SEE HOW THE SATANIC-VATICAN "JESUIT(IC)S" (VIA THEIR "REFORMED 'PROTESTANT' ESCHATOLOGY" ala "seeing" PLANTS) ARE DESPERATELY TRYING TO REVIVE " 'DEAD-ORTHODOXY' & AUGUSTINIAN 'COVENANT'-REPLACEMENT-THEOLOGY" AGAINST TRUE HISTORIC AUTHORIZED-BIBLICAL-LITERAL PRE-TRIBULATION-RAPTURE-MILLENIAL TRUTH ?

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News Item6/14/09 3:25 PM
seeing  Find all comments by seeing
John's VISION provides
Rev 20
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
# This description taken from the vision is entirely figurative and NOT literal.

# It leads to the next figurative verse which is NOT literal.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon,(figurative)
*that old serpent, (figurative)
*which is the Devil, and Satan,(real part)
*and bound him (figurative)

*a thousand years* - Aah the bigee?
All this figuratively speaking arrives at this point and the PreMillennialist suddenly goes LITERAL!!

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, (figurative)

*and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, (figurative)

*that he should deceive the nations no more, = God is in complete charge of truth, revelation, wisdom and ability. Hence deception is where God allows the devil to work in sinners.

*till the thousand years should be fulfilled: = The PreMill translates this into "God needs a further period of time to legitimatize His chosen people. That is check that what He missed first time is correct.

*and after that he must be loosed a little season. = This is the end times. It is coming to a soul near you. And there is NO 1000 year holiday prior to it.

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News Item6/12/09 5:08 AM
Evangelist  Find all comments by Evangelist
Michael Hranek wrote:
John UK
Wow! Have you ever said it my brother! Just dive right into either they're reprobates or if they are elect God will saved them in His own good time without any effort on our parts and one can conviently salve their conscience into doing nothing.
Of course there is so much more to all this like....if we get to know people it ought to break our hearts apart from Jesus Christ they are on their way to the eternal hell, the very punishment we so rightly deserved for our sins.
Paul, spoke of being a debtor. He had the very and only Good News the lost desperately needed to hear...and he was eagar to share it with them knowing the gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation.
Sorry if I am rambling I am getting ready to do some traveling.
Blessings.
Hear, hear!
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News Item6/11/09 8:21 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
John UK wrote:
..... the trouble is, most Christians are frightened to death by the very thought of going witnessing to such, which is why they pass them off as reprobate to ease their consciences.
John UK

Wow! Have you ever said it my brother! Just dive right into either they're reprobates or if they are elect God will saved them in His own good time without any effort on our parts and one can conviently salve their conscience into doing nothing.

Of course there is so much more to all this like....if we get to know people it ought to break our hearts apart from Jesus Christ they are on their way to the eternal hell, the very punishment we so rightly deserved for our sins.

Paul, spoke of being a debtor. He had the very and only Good News the lost desperately needed to hear...and he was eagar to share it with them knowing the gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation.

Sorry if I am rambling I am getting ready to do some traveling.

Blessings.

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News Item6/11/09 5:54 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Just Perfect wrote:
Yeah but where do I meet these guys, these so called "sinners" you talk about?
[URL=http://www.answersingenesis.org/assets/images/articles/2007/08/good-person-cartoon.jpg]]]Heaven Sent?[/URL]
Oh you could try the nearest Hells Angels Camp, or the local nick, or the dope dens, or the strip clubs, or your red light district, or a football match, or the bar in your local pub. You'll find that most of the folks in these sorts of places know that they are sinners; the trouble is, most Christians are frightened to death by the very thought of going witnessing to such, which is why they pass them off as reprobate to ease their consciences.

If you live anywhere near London, a good place to start would be Soho; but don't go in the daytime, go at night, but not in the evening, after about 2am is the best time, when the sinners are sneaking about doing dope deals or looking for things I won't speak about.

Better still, ask the Lord, and ask him to send you somewhere you'd never think of going to find sinners to preach to. He always answers prayer, and it is his will that sinners hear the gospel, so prepare yourself for some spiritual warfare.

Of course, if you want to stick around the self-righteous, well...

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News Item6/11/09 5:10 PM
Just Perfect  Find all comments by Just Perfect
John UK wrote:
If you were to meet a few more sinners out in the world, you would grasp the situation far better.
Yeah but where do I meet these guys, these so called "sinners" you talk about?

[URL=http://www.answersingenesis.org/assets/images/articles/2007/08/good-person-cartoon.jpg]]]Heaven Sent?[/URL]

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News Item6/11/09 3:35 PM
Postage  Find all comments by Postage
Mike wrote:
glean our understanding from Scripture
Sorry I couldn't get back earlier, I really miss the old days of putting more than one post in.

John 3:19 "Darkness Vs. Light" Here we observe a comparison. Question; Can the UNregen perceive the comparison?
My position in this discussion has been that they can't. Thus the comparison is only perceived by the regen person, who only THEN can compare. See John 1:5.
"Darkness" - Wretched existence in sin without God. Can the unregen "SEE" in the Dark? NO! Thats why it is called Dark! Spiritual Darkness! Dead in sin. "Loving darkness" then is a state of being in the flesh, lust, iniquity etc. Why "loving" - explains mans lost estate rather than his choice.
Which brings us back to faith and free will debate?

V20 - "hates the light" Man in his darkness prefers his own dominion his own decisions his life and autonomy, which is rebellion from God, (authority).
V20 - Doeth evil = V21 - Doeth Truth
V20 - UNRegen = V21 Regen
Natural state of man = doeth evil.
Born again = Doeth truth.
Difference = "BORN" again.
Difference = Made only by God.

Jo 11:10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him. See also Jo 12:46.. not abide....

Await your perusal thus far.

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News Item6/11/09 11:39 AM
DJC49 | Florida  Contact via emailFind all comments by DJC49
*Postage* --

By your statement (in answered question form): "Is sin perceived differently in the unregen state - Definitely!" I now understand that you do indeed agree that an unregenerate has an awareness of his sin(s). This awareness, you admit, is vastly different from the regenerate's awareness of sin and his sinful condition. I don't think we have the least bit of disagreement on the matter!

I fully agree with your "Arminianism" hypothesis.
It is quite sound.
_____

YET ... you are still going to draw some fire from this quarter for your erroneous and unfair portrayal of *John UK's* position on the matter. He does NOT - NOT - NOT suggest there was NO difference between his saved/unsaved or regenerate/natural estate in regard to his awareness of sin! That's just something you have fabricated about him with which to beat him over the head.

Perhaps you were looking only for an [URL=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-572077907195969915]]]ARGUMENT[/URL]???
-- Play it, it's hilarious! --

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News Item6/11/09 11:08 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike New York

I can tell you what I think.

I have noticed that whenever a good argument is put forth, there is never a reply to it, because in so many cases the point is so well made that it is irrefutable. Maybe your questions are just too difficult to answer.

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News Item6/11/09 10:49 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Postage, I repost this from last night, on the probability you were already retired for the evening. What do you think?:

Perhaps we should glean our understanding from Scripture.
John 3:19
"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."

Notice, they *loved* darkness *rather than* light.

And why did they love darkness rather than light? "..because their deeds were evil." No incomprehension here.

How did they know their deeds were evil, that they should seek darkness to hide in? Because they understood the difference between good and evil.

How do we know they knew the difference?

John 3:20
"For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved."

What is the reason why they hate and avoid the light? “..lest his deeds be reproved."

Why does he who does evil not want his deeds reproved? Because he knows they're evil, but he wants to do them anyway.

He hates light, therefore he must recognize that it is light in order to hate it and hide from it.

He loves darkness rather than light in order to hide his sin, which he knows is sin, and he knows is evil, else he would not hide it.

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News Item6/11/09 10:17 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Poor Ignoramus wrote:
Why John you appear somewhat perturbed. You originated this debate. Post 6/7/09 3:28PM

The ensuing discussion was that this was your pre-conversion state. The implication of this, is that you were awaiting evangelism from a Christian but did not receive it.
Therefore you imply that in your unregenerate state you "knew" sin and its consequences, in relation to eternal life and damnation.
It's actually turned out to be quite an interesting debate.
Aha! I see where you make your big mistake, you reckon that ungodly sinners, when they say things, are in full realisation of the facts concerning death and hell, and are capable of understanding these things which they speak about.

Whereas I am a realist, and know that the claims I made when a non Christian, were without understanding, for which regeneration and spiritual enlightenemnet are necessary.

If you were to meet a few more sinners out in the world, you would grasp the situation far better. I know plenty of sinners who claim to be sinners, because they do bad things (even in their OWN eyes).

The only one perturbed was the Lord Jesus Christ, who has covenanted to save his precious elect through his wretched church..oos

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News Item6/11/09 10:05 AM
Poor Ignoramus  Find all comments by Poor Ignoramus
John UK wrote:
Prove it by quoting me, or you lose the argument by default, and seen to be an ignoramus.
Why John you appear somewhat perturbed. You originated this debate. Post 6/7/09 3:28PM
wrote:
I realise that most folks in this world are self-righteous, but if any Christian had ever asked me if I was a sinner deserving death and hell, I would have answered in the affirmative.

Trouble was, most Christians had written me off as reprobate, instead of preaching the gospel of God's grace to me.

The ensuing discussion was that this was your pre-conversion state. The implication of this, is that you were awaiting evangelism from a Christian but did not receive it.
Therefore you imply that in your unregenerate state you "knew" sin and its consequences, in relation to eternal life and damnation.

It's actually turned out to be quite an interesting debate.

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News Item6/11/09 9:49 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Postage wrote:
Now if John wants to suggest there is no difference between his saved/unsaved or regenerate/natural estate then who am I to argue?
Prove it by quoting me, or you lose the argument by default, and seen to be an ignoramus.

And no skipping the issue this time, bro.

Post it, or lost it!

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News Item6/11/09 9:17 AM
Postage  Find all comments by Postage
DJC49 wrote:
1] Consider JUDAS. Judas Iscariot.

2] The unregenerate's problem with the awareness he has of his sin is basically twofold: 1)...

1] Duly considered.

2] Aaahh But #2 You've added a codicil.

By bringing in your codicil to qualify your text on Judas you have proved what I was saying.
Now if John wants to suggest there is no difference between his saved/unsaved or regenerate/natural estate then who am I to argue?
But Faith brings knowledge which the unsaved cannot possess. Salvation, justification, sanctification and righteousness all have a specific part to play in the Christian doctrine of sin.
________

On the "Arminianism" hypothesis.

Sin plays LESS of a role to the Reformed doctrine of Total Depravity.
Therefore Arminian sin is of a different hue. Thus does the sinner have a different set of abilities - and dare I say it "Faculties" - than we state in the Reformed Church. Hence the Arminian theory "narrows" the gap between the state of dead in sin and the regenerate state. Sovereignty, Faith itself and regeneration, even justification are all influenced by how we perceive the problem of sin and our wretched estate.
Is sin perceived differently in the unregen state - Definitely! They are quite different!

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News Item6/11/09 7:56 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
DJC49 wrote:
Consider JUDAS. We KNOW from the Scriptures that he was both unregenerate and quite aware of his sin(s).
Proof:
Matthew 27:3-5
"Then Judas, which had betrayed Him, when he saw that He was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, Saying, I HAVE SINNED in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, "What is that to us? see thou to that." And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself."
Judas even knew that he deserved the just punishment of DEATH for the sin that he had committed ... and carried that judgement out upon himself!
The unregenerate's problem with the awareness he has of his sin is basically twofold: 1) he doesn't realize the utter terribleness of it and 2) the remedy he seeks is always self-referential. IOW, he thinks that he himself can remedy his situation by: saying enough prayers; eating enough communions; doing enough off-setting good things; flagellating himself sufficiently; sacrificing enough animals; spending enough time in purgatory; giving enough money to charity; even killing himself as Judas did.
There. That'll fix it!
OTOH, the regenerate knows ONLY 1 solution. Jesus!

Amen DJ

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News Item6/10/09 6:12 PM
DJC49 | Florida  Contact via emailFind all comments by DJC49
*Postage* --

Consider JUDAS. Judas Iscariot.

We KNOW from the Scriptures that he was both unregenerate and quite aware of his sin(s).
Proof:

Matthew 27:3-5

"Then Judas, which had betrayed Him, when he saw that He was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, Saying, I HAVE SINNED in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, "What is that to us? see thou to that." And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself."

Judas even knew that he deserved the just punishment of DEATH for the sin that he had committed ... and carried that judgement out upon himself!
_____

The unregenerate's problem with the awareness he has of his sin is basically twofold: 1) he doesn't realize the utter terribleness of it and 2) the remedy he seeks is always self-referential. IOW, he thinks that he himself can remedy his situation by: saying enough prayers; eating enough communions; doing enough off-setting good things; flagellating himself sufficiently; sacrificing enough animals; spending enough time in purgatory; giving enough money to charity; ... even killing himself as Judas did.
There. That'll fix it!

OTOH, the regenerate knows ONLY 1 solution. Jesus.

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News Item6/10/09 5:36 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Postage wrote:
Oh look an arminian response!
And *Wesley* John UK accepts it.
No surprise there fellas.
Oooooooh look folks, the response of a man without a leg to stand on. Have you studied that text I gave you yesterday, which you haven't yet grasped the meaning of?
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News Item6/10/09 5:32 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Postage, perhaps we should glean our understanding from Scripture.

John 3:19
"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."

Notice, they *loved* darkness *rather than* light.

And why did they love darkness rather than light? "..because their deeds were evil." No incomprehension here.

How did they know their deeds were evil, that they should seek darkness to hide in? Because they understood the difference between good and evil.

How do we know they knew the difference?

John 3:20
"For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved."

What is the reason why they hate and avoid the light? “..lest his deeds be reproved."

Why does he who does evil not want his deeds reproved? Because he knows they're evil, but he wants to do them anyway.

He hates light, therefore he must recognize that it is light in order to hate it and hide from it.

He loves darkness rather than light in order to hide his sin, which he knows is sin, and he knows is evil, else he would not hide it.

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