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FRONT PAGE  |  9/16/2019
MONDAY, APR 20, 2009  |  8 comments
Columbine students strive 10 years after massacre
LITTLETON, Colo. – The "boy in the window" — who fell bloodied and paralyzed into the arms of rescuers during the horrifying Columbine High shooting rampage — is doing just fine.

Now 27, Patrick Ireland has regained mobility with few lingering effects from gunshot wounds to his head and leg a decade ago. He is married and works in the financial services industry. His mantra: "I choose to be a victor rather than a victim."

Like Ireland, many survivors of the April 20, 1999, massacre have moved on to careers in education, medicine, ministry, retail.

But emotional scars still can trigger anxiety, nightmares and deeply etched recollections of gunfire, blood and bodies. ...

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News Item4/22/09 11:34 AM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
JoJo wrote:
How many Gun Laws did these killers break anyway?
I don't know about Colorodo but here in California, unless you have a special permit, you cannot have a gun within 1000-ft (or is it yards?) of any public building (schools, courts, etc.) or a hospital. I'm sure there are dozens of laws less obvious than this one, broken by the two boys at Columbine.

I once lived accross the street from both a hospital AND a school, but was still able to clean my guns in my backyard since residence laws overrided the 1000-ft limit. Still, a sufficiently "fussy" cop could've cited me for "brandishing a firearm" in public view, even though I was just minding my own give you some idea of how incredibly extensive and invasive gun laws have become even in our (free?) country.


News Item4/22/09 8:13 AM
JoJo | Land of Opportunity  Find all comments by JoJo
How many Gun Laws did these killers break anyway?

What if all the teachers at the school had been armed?

It's been reported these killers were ardent evolutionists, should we outlaw evolution since it leads to murder?

Should we even have Public Schools?


News Item4/20/09 2:09 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
According to this review of a recently-released book on the incident, the original intent of the boys was to detonate bombs:
[URL=]]]Review of "Columbine"[/URL]
Evidently the bombs failed, so they resorted to shooting.

News Item4/20/09 2:02 PM
Robert | North Carolina  Find all comments by Robert
San Jose John wrote:
Still, I saw a couple of doccumentaries of Collumbine on the History Channel which focused mainly on the two disturbed young men who perpetrated that massacre.
Another thing that was extremely underrreported about this case was that the two killers were not mere 'bullies.' Harris was legitimately 'psychotic' (in secular psychological terms) and Klebold was a weak follower easily influenced by him. If they had not had guns, it is very likely they would have still acted on their impulses in another fashion.

The case got a lot of attention because the media like to emphasize murder sprees by guns, while ignoring lives saved by judicious use of guns as self-protection, and also ignoring or at least de-emphasizing crimes perpetrated by groups they tend to protect, like homosexuals and crazy arsonist animal rights groups. Most weapons policies at schools were formulated after Columbine.

When I was a kid, we took guns to school to learn how to use them safely. They are, after all, inanimate objects: tools just like hammers, saws, etc. Learning to use them safely takes away the mystery and instills a certain respect for their power.

The bigger problem is that we don't hold kids accountable for their actions any more.


News Item4/20/09 12:52 PM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
I usually let NY Mike make most of the 2nd Amendment points on SA, since he's so good at it. Still, I saw a couple of doccumentaries of Collumbine on the History Channel which focused mainly on the two disturbed young men who perpetrated that massacre. Even so, there was more than enough said about the parents of these two kids--and their general lack of deep involvment in either of their lives--to suggest that better parenting would've been MUCH more effective in preventing Collumbine's tragedy than burdening our leagal system with even more gun control laws (many of which are not fully enforced).

News Item4/20/09 10:18 AM
Barry from KY | Northern KY  Contact via emailFind all comments by Barry from KY
Dang Mike, I really am not trying to make you mad at me. and i enjoy discussing these issues. I'm somewhat open minded to things like this. There is NO biblical call for Christians to bear arms. It's a constitutional thing. I'm just not sure if we should be selling AK-47 assault rifles and armour piercing rounds down at the Wal-mart. that's all. I actually have a weapon that my dad passed to me from WWII. I'll always cherish that weapon. it has a family story attached to it. What are your thoughts about guns? Seriously i'm not wanting you to be mad bro.

News Item4/20/09 9:38 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Barry from KY wrote:
It's stories like this that make me wonder if a little more gun control might not be something to consider.
Not surprising, Barry. It fits the other things you believe.

News Item4/20/09 8:15 AM
Barry from KY | Northern KY  Contact via emailFind all comments by Barry from KY
It's stories like this that make me wonder if a little more gun control might not be something to consider.
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