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FRONT PAGE  |  9/16/2019
WEDNESDAY, APR 8, 2009  |  19 comments
Knights Templar worshipped the Turin Shroud
A Vatican researcher has uncovered evidence that the order, which was brutally suppressed in 1305 by King Philip IV of France and Pope Clement V, guarded and venerated the Shroud.

In an article published by the Vatican daily, L'Osservatore Romano, a historian, Barbara Frale, said she had uncovered "missing clues" to both the mysterious fate of the Templars and the Shroud.

A similar relic is known to have been worshipped in Byzantium, now Istanbul and to have disappeared from there during the sack of the city by Crusaders, including Knights Templar, in 1204. ...


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News Item8/11/09 9:05 AM
DisplacedMaritimer (Bert) | Edmonton, AB  Find all comments by DisplacedMaritimer (Bert)
GK wrote:
oh no-another one!!
Yup - and proud of it

I have spent a lot of time in prayer trying to figure out the confusing subject of Christianity and what Church I should belong to. After much prayer and soul searching, I came to the conclusion that the Catholic Church is the one began by Jesus (Matt 16:18-19) and true to His Word. You may find otherwise but I believe that the Holy Spirit guided me in my decision. The Mass we celebrate today is the same as the Mass celebrated 2000 years ago.

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News Item8/11/09 8:07 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Jim Lincoln wrote:
GK, please pass along your sentiments on to John Y., hed needs to hear comments like that! [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=12806111645]]]The Intention for the Bread & the Cup[/URL]

The Papist Church and and voodoo have a lot in common.

I do not have to be told what GK stated about the Catholic doctrine of Transubstantiation because I agree that anybody who believes that the bread and wine are the actual Body And Blood Of Jesus is deranged.
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News Item8/11/09 7:42 AM
GK  Find all comments by GK
DisplacedMaritimer wrote:
Jesus said "do this in memory of Me". Are you trying to say that Jesus was deranged? He said that His body is real food and His blood real drink (John 6:55).
oh no-another one!!
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News Item8/10/09 11:18 AM
DisplacedMaritimer | Edonton, AB  Find all comments by DisplacedMaritimer
GK wrote:
Roman Catholicism is a mental illness
how deranged can someone be to actually believe that they can call Jesus out of heaven at the whim of a "priest"?
Jesus said "do this in memory of Me". Are you trying to say that Jesus was deranged? He said that His body is real food and His blood real drink (John 6:55).
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News Item4/11/09 2:44 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
GK, please pass along your sentiments on to John Y., hed needs to hear comments like that! [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=12806111645]]]The Intention for the Bread & the Cup[/URL]
Webster's 1913 Dictionary wrote:
[QUOTE]FETICH
{ Fetich /Fe¬ītich/, Fetish /Fe¬ītish/ (?), n. }[F. f√©tiche, from Pg. feiti√ßo, adj., n., sorcery, charm, fr. L. facticius made by art, artifical, factitious. See Factitious.] 1. A material object supposed among certain African tribes to represent in such a way, or to be so connected with, a supernatural being, that the possession of it gives to the possessor power to control that being.
2. Any object to which one is excessively devoted.
The Papist Church and and voodoo have a lot in common.
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News Item4/11/09 1:26 PM
GK  Find all comments by GK
Roman Catholicism is a mental illness

how deranged can someone be to actually believe that they can call Jesus out of heaven at the whim of a "priest"?

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News Item4/10/09 2:10 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Why, yes, Lance it does reveal a lot,

Isaiah 64
6For we are all become as one that is unclean, and all our righteousnesses are as a polluted garment: and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.

It covers relics in general and this false shroud in particular, it is like a menstrual rag.

Martin Luther wrote:
The relics, in which there are found so many falsehoods and tomfooleries concerning the bones of dogs and horses, that even the devil has laughed at such rascalities, ought long ago to have been condemned, even though there were some good in them; and so much the more because they are without the Word of God; being neither commanded nor counseled, they are an entirely unnecessary and useless thing. But the worst is that [they have imagined that] these relics had to work indulgence and the forgiveness of sins [and have revered them] as a good work and service of God, like the Mass, etc.
Mary Ann Collins uses a pseudonym because she doen't want to be harrassed, Men don't seem to have that problem, Mike Gendron, [URL=http://www.johnankerberg.org/Articles/roman-catholicism/RC0200W2.htm]]]Come out of the Catholic Church[/URL].
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News Item4/10/09 12:14 PM
Robert | North Carolina  Find all comments by Robert
Lance Eccles wrote:
And Robert, what those Catholics are doing in front of the "temple" (actually "tabernacle") is indeed worshipping, and they will readily admit it. After all, what is inside that "fancy golden breadbox" is the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ. He is physically present there.
Quite right, I forgot they call it the "tabernacle" and not the "temple." The relative permanence of the abominable thing made me relate it to the relatively permanent temple in Jerusalem, not the portable tabernacle. But either way, Jesus is not residing there, but is now seated in the heavenlies until he returns in glory. Search the scriptures: when he returns bodily, we will all know about it.

As to the so-called "shroud," it is simply another idol, like the many relics that the Roman church has caused people to "venerate" (i.e., worship) through the centuries. It is in the same category as the supposed toe bones of saints, splinters of the cross and tears of Mary in little vials. These things are in some sense worse that big statues of Buddha and little carvings of sex demons that other pagans worship, since they are more likely to deceive people into thinking they are Christians.

The law cannot save you, even if you call it Tradition.

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News Item4/10/09 9:56 AM
DJC49 | Florida  Contact via emailFind all comments by DJC49
Lance Eccles wrote:
And Robert, what those Catholics are doing in front of the "temple" (actually "tabernacle") is indeed worshipping, and they will readily admit it. After all, what is inside that "fancy golden breadbox" is the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ. He is physically present there.
What utter nonsense! ...

To think that the actual body, blood, soul, and divinity of Christ is housed in little "fancy golden breadbox(es)" all over this world is the height of absurdity.

It's a bunch of Medieval hocus pocus foisted upon the Biblically illiterate.

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News Item4/10/09 8:52 AM
just a thought  Find all comments by just a thought
Lance, with all due respect, here is what the Bible actually says, 'And He took bread and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave it unto them saying "This is my body which is given for you, this do in remembrance of me". Luke 22:19
The Lord's supper is not a means of salvation, it is a call to remember the sacrifice given for sin. To claim to 'eat' our Lord is absolutely unthinkable.
99.9% of the RCC teachings could be refuted IF folks would fall on their faces before a Holy God and cry out to Him for wisdom and understanding. Be a good Berean and search the scriptures, not church doctrine, for truth. After all, what does man live on? 'Man doth not live by bread only, but by EVERY WORD that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live'.
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News Item4/10/09 8:16 AM
Patrick Hamilton | UK  Find all comments by Patrick Hamilton
Unholy child molesters calling Christ from His seat next to the Majesty in heaven is just pure superstition. Believe that and you will believe the pope is infallible.

(Heb 1:3) Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

That great day of the Lord will reveal this fruad in all its mire, dirt and filth. That mere men can call on God to do their bidding is just rot.

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News Item4/10/09 12:19 AM
Lance Eccles | Goulburn, Australia  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lance Eccles
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Actually, Lance, no matter how you want to look on "veneration" it is really worship, [URL=http://www.catholicconcerns.com/Statues.html]]]Venerating Statues[/URL]. ... Neil had some excellent comments on this "filthy rag"
Ah yes, more words of wisdom from the mythical Mary Ann Collins. Why doesn't he write under his real name?

And the expression "filthy rag" certainly reveals a lot, but not about the Shroud of Turin.

And Robert, what those Catholics are doing in front of the "temple" (actually "tabernacle") is indeed worshipping, and they will readily admit it. After all, what is inside that "fancy golden breadbox" is the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ. He is physically present there.

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News Item4/9/09 4:42 PM
Tony Lopez-Cisneros  Find all comments by Tony Lopez-Cisneros
Robert wrote:
The young initiate's very words were...that he was ordered to worship the piece of linen and kiss the feet three times...it resembles Hindoos and Buddhists doing the same thing before stone and metal images.
I remember as a young Satanic-Vaticanist & Roman "Catholic" Cultist of The Satanic Roman "Catholic" Cult Of Popish "Jesuitic" Vaticanism; that I was ordered to worship the statue of " 'baby' Jesus" at the end of The Christmas(s) Mess !

I had to bow down & kiss the "big toe" on the right foot of the " 'baby' Jesus" statue/idol--thus I deceivingly & blindly committed The Satanic-Vaticanist SIN of Idolatry !

Now, Get This Scenario:

A Three-Dimensional ImageThe Shroud of Turin is

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News Item4/9/09 4:34 PM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
People are putting their faith in something that cannot be proven to have a connection with the Lord Jesus. Now granted, Jesus didn't condemn a woman who touched his garment, but we have no proof this was one of his garments and we see nothing like this among the Apostles who would have had easy access to anything Jesus wore.
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News Item4/9/09 2:21 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Actually, Lance, no matter how you want to look on "veneration" it is really worship, [URL=http://www.catholicconcerns.com/Statues.html]]]Venerating Statues[/URL]. I like your comment, Robert, Neil had some excellent comments on this "filthy rag" in the thread, "Shroud of Turin Stirs new controversy" so click on that and read those comments. I would think all the threads SermonAudio has on the Shroud should be looked over.
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News Item4/9/09 9:44 AM
mh488  Find all comments by mh488
I have to agree with you Lance. lol good comment!
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News Item4/9/09 9:11 AM
Robert | North Carolina  Find all comments by Robert
Lance Eccles wrote:
"Worshipped"? Well, trust the Telegraph to get it wrong.
There are two areas in which journalists must be totally ignorant in order to be qualified to write about them -- religion and linguistics.
The young initiate's very words were, according to the historian quoted in the article, that he was ordered to worship the piece of linen and kiss the feet three times. "Worship" just means ascribing worth to something. It's not surprising, considering that on any given Saturday in America one can find some fanatical Catholics worshipping crackers stored in the fancy golden breadbox they call the "temple" at the local parish church. But maybe kneeling and muttering repetitive prayers before this "temple" is not considered "worship" either, no matter how much it resembles Hindoos and Buddhists doing the same thing before stone and metal images.
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News Item4/9/09 7:35 AM
Lance Eccles | Goulburn, Australia  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lance Eccles
"Worshipped"? Well, trust the Telegraph to get it wrong.

There are two areas in which journalists must be totally ignorant in order to be qualified to write about them -- religion and linguistics.

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News Item4/8/09 9:02 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Some have argued that the Templars were the first multinational corporation. They were brutally suppressed by Philip IV of France, who, after ordering the full measure of Inquisitional treatment (incl. confessions to outrageous charges under torture), compelled Clement V, after much prevarication, to disband the order. Why? The consensus is that the Templars were Philip's creditors & he coveted their assets.

Reminds me of Kin Hubbard: "When a fellow says it ain't the money but the principle of the thing, it's the money."

This was yet another example of the medieval power game between kings & popes. Whether the popes won or lost, they discredited themselves.

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