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FRIDAY, APR 3, 2009  |  38 comments
PBS Host: Abortion is a 'Good Decision' in a Recession
Get an abortion.

In her April 1 blog post, Bonnie Erbe, contributing editor to U.S. News and World Report and host of PBS' "To the Contrary," gave that advice to pregnant moms who are wondering how to raise a child on a strained budget.

It wasn't a tasteless April Fool's Day joke. She's serious.


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Jessica Dawson | Jessica Dawson  Contact via emailFind all comments by Jessica Dawson
Our local hospital is one of the last private hospitals in Canada. It is run by the Catholic Church, but it provides Pastoral Care for Christians as well. That is where I go for surgery, it is a cramped old hospital, but they do not have abortions there. Yes they always mess up my medications and the toilet is usually disgusting. Yes, the super bug I contracted may have been from the hospital and medical personnel not taking proper precautions. But they don't provide abortions there.

I feel like I could vomit, the thought of having surgery to save my life, where abortion is practiced!

Yet I am no better than the vile sinners who practice abortions! I have hated others, I have had bitterness towards others! God's Word says in 1 John 3:15,"Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him." God's Word says in Hebrews 12:15,"looking carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled;"

I am ashamed that as a professing Christian I practiced, hatred, unforgiveness and bitterness! Such is defiling and equal to murder! Now I look unto God for His mercy and saving grace! Hallelujah!

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News Item4/6/09 2:39 AM
savedbygrace | Harrisburg, PA  Find all comments by savedbygrace
John Yurich,

You ask/state: what is wrong with Roman Catholics and Evangelical Protestant getting together at abortion clinics to protest?

Well, I used to do this on weekends not long after the Lord saved me. I became bothered by the leader(a prominent young doctor in another area of Pa.)who purposely would back unto the property as he yelled through his bull-horn. This he did continually as they drove him away in the paddy wagon.
I had recently been converted and wanted to obey the Lord no matter what.
I even sought out pastoral counsel concerning civil disobedience at these death camps. As I saw him carted away I became convinced that this product of rome was doing this continually so he could be looked upon highly.
I began to actually hate all of the idol worship(medal, statues, prayer at cathedrals, etc.).
Although, it is a witnessing opportunity, I then began going to other large protests where other believers would also be present.
It was a very personal thing with me and I do believe in ecclesiatical separtion for certain main doctrines but I don't think that really applied here. I am not now a big protesting type and have always had evangelism as my main prioity. The gospel of rome is another gospel and not the gospel of the Bible.

JOHN 3

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News Item4/5/09 10:54 AM
rtYu  Find all comments by rtYu
Robert wrote:
a] In the first, he's describing what will happen to those who are deceived about their salvation. They appear to be those who think their works of the flesh will get them into heaven.

b] He tells them, "I never knew you." Their works are not enough, no matter how righteous the works.

c] In the second, he tells the lukewarm that he will spue them out of his mouth. These are unbelievers. They have not lost their salvation, but have never had it, which is why he tells them to buy gold tried in the fire, and white raiment, and to anoint their eyes that they may see.

a] Christ is teaching that there will be non-elect who go to church but do not come to Him.

b] "I never knew you" distinguished from those whom Christ "did know" (elect). Works good, bad or indifferent have nothing to do with election.

c] V18 "I counsel thee to buy...." is a summary of the Gospel to the whole church. But only those elect can receive the truth unto salvation.
NB V19 "As many as I love I rebuke and chasten....." Why were the unsaved group NOT experiencing the rebuke and chastening?
V20 "If any man hear my voice...." - Notice the "IF" thus implying NOT all CAN hear the Gospel of Christ.

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News Item4/5/09 8:07 AM
itsaboutheremnant | wales  Find all comments by itsaboutheremnant
there we are beyeseperate, a classic case of an individual putting a cause before the gospel, mix in some suspect doctrine and the way is open to apostasy, a social reformer, a works religeonist, a make the world a better place man, not one of the elect.
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News Item4/5/09 7:20 AM
beyeseparate  Find all comments by beyeseparate
[URL=http://www.pccmonroe.org/Ecumenism/terry.htm]]]Danger of some pro-abortionists[/URL]

See the danger of being united with those 'christians' even in a fundementally good thing

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News Item4/4/09 7:46 PM
Jessica Dawson | Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by Jessica Dawson
If Bonnie Erbe is not a believer in The Lord Jesus Christ, then she does not understand the value of a human being. People are made in God's image, we are not from monkeys because monkeys are not made in God's image. If she does not have faith, then she does not see God as provider. If she does not see God as provider, then she has no faith that God will provide. Even we as God's chosen people have doubted God's provision ~ Psalm 78:19 Yes, they spoke against God: They said, “Can God prepare a table in the wilderness? ~ How can we expect an ungodly woman not to have a sinful viewpoint?
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News Item4/4/09 5:38 PM
Robert | North Carolina  Find all comments by Robert
rtYu wrote:
If there is only one church, as opposed to two aspects of the church (visible and invisible); And as you say Christ is the head of them all, plus the Holy Spirit brought them to church, then why does Jesus reject them in Matt 7:23 and Rev 3:14 Laodicea, etc?
Does the Holy Spirit make a promise then renege on that promise?
Or do you seek to establish the old RCC/Arminian salvation by human effort again? Viz that it is the fault of the mortal that they loose their salvation?
He's not rejecting believers in either passage. In the first, he's describing what will happen to those who are deceived about their salvation. They appear to be those who think their works of the flesh will get them into heaven. He tells them, "I never knew you." Their works are not enough, no matter how righteous the works.

In the second, he tells the lukewarm that he will spue them out of his mouth. These are unbelievers. They have not lost their salvation, but have never had it, which is why he tells them to buy gold tried in the fire, and white raiment, and to anoint their eyes that they may see.

There are believers and unbelievers who gathered there in Laodicea (as they do here), but the ekklesia have been called out and cannot be lost.

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News Item4/4/09 5:08 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
DJC49 wrote:
*John UK* --
The Church -- the body of Christ -- must never cease to stand up for the dignity of the human person.

The Church must speak out against unjust social and political structures, against any violations of human rights, precisely because each and every person has been created by God and is therefore of inestimable dignity.

And if you think that Jesus never spoke out against social injustice, I suggest that you reread Matt 5:6; or Matt 23:23; and/or huge chunks of the OT which spoke to social justice. BTW, the OT was also inspired by the Holy Spirit -- if you've forgotten.

#1 How does the church do that?

#2 How does the church do that?

#3 Jesus was preaching to multitudes on both occasions in the open-air. This is biblical and good, gospel preaching and practical outworking. I have done that myself, and it always attracts persecution. Social justice in the OT was law-based and excellent! The powers that be today regularly jettison even the 10 commandments. Does that mean we protest? When God says that he has instituted the governing power?

p.s. If we Christians were to be more in the midst of sinners' lives, there would be much less unwanted pregnancies. But, holy huddles.

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News Item4/4/09 4:43 PM
DJC49 | Florida  Contact via emailFind all comments by DJC49
*reformation* --

Fine.
Have it your way.
Stay at home, sit on your hands, and don't you DARE get involved in any societal concern in which Catholics might be involved. After all, you just might be furthering the {gasp!} cause of ecumenism. Oh, horrors! And next election cycle, don't you DARE say a word about what politician does or doesn't favor abortion on demand since you won't, in the interim, do a bloody thing about it.

And your usage of 2Chron 19:2 couldn't be more inappropriate, wrong-headed, and misapplied.
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*John UK* --

The Church -- the body of Christ -- must never cease to stand up for the dignity of the human person. The Church must speak out against unjust social and political structures, against any violations of human rights, precisely because each and every person has been created by God and is therefore of inestimable dignity. And if you think that Jesus never spoke out against social injustice, I suggest that you reread Matt 5:6; or Matt 23:23; and/or huge chunks of the OT which spoke to social justice. BTW, the OT was also inspired by the Holy Spirit -- if you've forgotten.

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News Item4/4/09 4:38 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John Yurich USA wrote:
............Anybody who worships Jesus as God is a believer. An unbeliever is someone who denies that Jesus is God and does not worship Jesus as God.
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Is God against abortion? Yes or no? If you guys state yes that God is against abortion then what makes you think that God would not be present at protests at abortion clinics where Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Mainline Protestants and Evangelical Protestants(Who all worship Jesus as God and thus are all believers) are present?
#1 I think your definitions are up the Swanny, John. Christian faith involves the atoning sacrifice of the Christ and his resurrection from the dead and his ascension into heaven. A believer is someone who has appropriated the blood of Christ to cover his sin, through a God-given realisation of the truth. Such a person probably would not initially understand about Jesus being co-equal and co-eternal with the Father.

The ecumenical movement seeks to join together all peoples of all churches who believe in the Trinity. NOT ENOUGH!

#2 God is omnipresent, he is everywhere, even in hell. He is at clinics, sure, but you'll have noticed he doesn't shut them down. Praise God that he doesn't wipe out sinners until the judgment.

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News Item4/4/09 4:20 PM
rtYu  Find all comments by rtYu
Robert wrote:
The Holy Spirit makes the church, and puts people into the church.
If there is only one church, as opposed to two aspects of the church (visible and invisible); And as you say Christ is the head of them all, plus the Holy Spirit brought them to church, then why does Jesus reject them in Matt 7:23 and Rev 3:14 Laodicea, etc?

Does the Holy Spirit make a promise then renege on that promise?

Or do you seek to establish the old RCC/Arminian salvation by human effort again? Viz that it is the fault of the mortal that they loose their salvation?

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News Item4/4/09 4:05 PM
Candle Lit  Find all comments by Candle Lit
Robert wrote:
As to the social justice argument, the main thing standing out in front of an abortion clinic accomplishes is the feeding of the protester's sense of self-righteousness. It's like Pharisees engaging in long public prayers in the market or at the temple. I don't recall any political movements founded by the apostles. Wasn't that why the Jews had a hard time believing Jesus was the Christ?
We were members of a church where the pastor was a strong leader. It was at that church that we took a stand against abortion. Hundreds of people, lined the streets with signs which read "Abortion Kills" and "God Forgives." To see whole families taking a stand for righteousness was a very moving experience.

I have come to be less interested in the social justice movement, finding it to be a distraction from dealing with the real issue - man's fallen nature. We are called to be witnesses of the Lord Jesus Christ. It is easier to be a part of a movement that empowers one, than to humbly submit oneself, and seek God's will and His Glory, and to be an example of what Christ has done for us by "dwelling in the land, and cultivating faithfulness."

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News Item4/4/09 3:44 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Why very easy, John Y., [URL=http://www.johnankerberg.org/Articles/roman-catholicism/RC1299W2.htm]]]Is A Catholic Christian An Oxymoron?[/URL], if you read it, they you would know the answer is "YES" You advocate "Easy Believism" which is something strangely many Catholics accuse Protestants practice, but most Fundamentalists know the [URL=http://www.ihcc.org/images/booklets/pdf/L206.pdf]]]Marks of the True Believer[/URL] and of course any so-called church that preaches [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=5504151546]]]The Doctrine of Apostates[/URL] is not Christian. So, John, if you read or listen the sermon you very well understand why Romish Church is an apostate Church.
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News Item4/4/09 3:38 PM
Robert | North Carolina  Find all comments by Robert
John UK wrote:
The question I would ask is: "Why did not the incarnate God 'protest' about these women (abortionists) when he was on earth? In fact, why did he not protest against social injustice? Where do you find the disciples planning a protest, no matter what the cause?
Hear, hear! You too, Mr. Hranek - I understood your point quite plainly. There is probably little point in arguing the false distinction Augustine created between the 'invisible' and the 'visible' church. There is only one church. It has Christ as its head.

Unbelievers may rub shoulders with believers, but that does not make them part of the church - nor does baptism (remember Simon the sorcerer in Acts 8?), nor does signing a document at your local Baptist elders meeting, nor does anything else that man may do. The Holy Spirit makes the church, and puts people into the church.

As to the social justice argument, the main thing standing out in front of an abortion clinic accomplishes is the feeding of the protester's sense of self-righteousness. It's like Pharisees engaging in long public prayers in the market or at the temple. I don't recall any political movements founded by the apostles. Wasn't that why the Jews had a hard time believing Jesus was the Christ?

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News Item4/4/09 3:24 PM
Candle Lit  Find all comments by Candle Lit
DJC49 wrote:
*Candle Lit* --
Because you made it abundantly clear that you were referring to the LOCAL church, you were quite correct in your initial assertion that one couldn't even PRAY IN CHURCH if the criterion for communal prayer was that ALL had to be of the Redeemed! For even our local churches have a mixture of saved and unsaved. So I don't know why you backed off your position. Michael (as he often does) scrambled the issue.
Michael made a foolish statement when he said:
"I don't believe we can expect God to honor our praying if we are disobedient to Him and joined with unbelievers."
As if Evangelicals joining in with Catholics, Mainline Protestants, and Eastern Orthodox to protest abortion is somehow being "yoked together" with them ... doctrinally. If Michael were correct, Evangelicals could NEVER unite with any others for ANY ethical cause or issue for fear of being "joined together with 'unbelievers.' " This is silliness.
Hranek has an EXTREMELY difficult time of keeping his categories rightly separated. He gets confused ... and confuses others.
Thanks, DJC. I didn't think that one through, posting on the run. I did get confused. You cleared it up nicely.
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News Item4/4/09 2:37 PM
itsaboutheremnant | wales  Find all comments by itsaboutheremnant
wasnt abortion part of the final judgement of Israel that God would not forgive even tho the king Josiah had bought the nation to repentance ? the sins of mannassa ' and the shedding of innocent blood in jerusalem which i take to mean abortion since there is another reference to the women having bloody dresses

i wouldnt have formal arrangemnents with a non calvinist but i might well turn up at some function or other

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News Item4/4/09 2:22 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
DJC49 wrote:
As if Evangelicals joining in with Catholics, Mainline Protestants, and Eastern Orthodox to protest abortion is somehow being "yoked together" with them ... doctrinally. If Michael were correct, Evangelicals could NEVER unite with any others for ANY ethical cause or issue for fear of being "joined together with 'unbelievers.' " This is silliness.
Ever since man discovered the aborting effects of certain plants, there have been 'abortion clinics' in the world. For many hundreds of years, such quacks (usually elderly women who studied the healing and killing properties of herbs etc) have offered abortion on demand, despite the command of God.

The question I would ask is: "Why did not the incarnate God 'protest' about these women (abortionists) when he was on earth? In fact, why did he not protest against social injustice? Where do you find the disciples planning a protest, no matter what the cause?

No, the reason I will not join with 'religionists', no matter what the reason for the 'coming together' is a biblical one.

I say the ecumenical movement is crafty, evil, and led of the devil.

And you won't find me believing sola scriptura, and then doing things contrary to the scriptura.

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News Item4/4/09 2:16 PM
reformation  Find all comments by reformation
DJC49 wrote:
As if Evangelicals joining in with Catholics, Mainline Protestants, and Eastern Orthodox to protest abortion is somehow being "yoked together" with them ... doctrinally. If Michael were correct, Evangelicals could NEVER unite with any others for ANY ethical cause or issue for fear of being "joined together with 'unbelievers.' " This is silliness.
You are wrong DJC49!

"More Than These

A History of how the Pro-Life Movement has advanced the cause of the Roman Catholic Church

A Call for Reformation
by Pastor Ralph Ovadal"

[URL=http://www.pccmonroe.org/Ecumenism/morethanthese.pdf]]]http://www.pccmonroe.org/Ecumenism/morethanthese.p..[/URL]

And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD. (2Ch 19:2)

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News Item4/4/09 1:49 PM
DJC49 | Florida  Contact via emailFind all comments by DJC49
Candle Lit wrote:
Really, Michael, if you carry this to its natural conclusion, you couldn't even PRAY IN CHURCH because the Church is a mixture of "tares and wheat." What say you about that?
*Candle Lit* --
Because you made it abundantly clear that you were referring to the LOCAL church, you were quite correct in your initial assertion that one couldn't even PRAY IN CHURCH if the criterion for communal prayer was that ALL had to be of the Redeemed! For even our local churches have a mixture of saved and unsaved. So I don't know why you backed off your position. Michael (as he often does) scrambled the issue.

Michael made a foolish statement when he said:
"I don't believe we can expect God to honor our praying if we are disobedient to Him and joined with unbelievers."

As if Evangelicals joining in with Catholics, Mainline Protestants, and Eastern Orthodox to protest abortion is somehow being "yoked together" with them ... doctrinally. If Michael were correct, Evangelicals could NEVER unite with any others for ANY ethical cause or issue for fear of being "joined together with 'unbelievers.' " This is silliness.

Hranek has an EXTREMELY difficult time of keeping his categories rightly separated. He gets confused ... and confuses others.

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News Item4/4/09 1:05 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Michael Hranek, John UK and Others:How can you guys state that Catholics, Eastern Orthodox and Mainline Protestants are unbelievers when they worship Jesus as God? Anybody who worships Jesus as God is a believer. An unbeliever is someone who denies that Jesus is God and does not worship Jesus as God. Is God against abortion? Yes or no? If you guys state yes that God is against abortion then what makes you think that God would not be present at protests at abortion clinics where Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Mainline Protestants and Evangelical Protestants(Who all worship Jesus as God and thus are all believers) are present?
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