The British government has done its bit and barred an American anti-gay Christian preacher and his daughter from entering the country - now itâs up to churches to do theirs, a group of evangelical Christians says.
The Reverend Fred Phelps, founder of the Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas, and his daughter Shirley Phelps-Roper, were barred from entering Britain after it emerged they planned to protest against a play about the murder of a gay man.
The reverend picketed the funeral of the student in the U.S. declaring he was âburning in hellâ and has staged protests outside theatres.
Phelps believes the U.S. is doomed for tolerating homosexuals. The government last week said the pair were anticipated to spread âextremism and hatredâ....
charles m wrote: The sovreign God does not set out His stall or hawk Jesus and see who comes, He is in control its not man who decides who goes to heaven but God. Satan thought that he should 'ascend to the most high' and so do some men, therefore arminism is a satanic doctrine.
not a bad exposition of romans 9 and 10 but we also thank God for the 'good' things (i hope)
i think sermonaudio is a wonderful site
'dark lords spread some of the most wicked of satanic heresies worldwide '
thats a pretty good description of Billy Graham a bit strong tho
its somewhat wide of the mark to equate this reformed theology site with the RC church doctrines unless one was unsure of both
theistic evolutionist and billy grahamite ? no doubt the 'many roads to God ' school. broad is the road to damnation and many there are that travel it' its not about the world its about the remnant that our sovreign and gracious God has set apart for salvation. Jesus will never turn any away but they wont come unless God effectually calls them, if the doctrine of predestination causes a man or a woman to be joyful and grateful then thats a sure sign of salvation. The sovreign God does not set out His stall or hawk Jesus and see who comes, He is in control its not man who decides who goes to heaven but God. Satan thought that he should 'ascend to the most high' and so do some men, therefore arminism is a satanic doctrine.
Phelps is a proud Calvinist who takes his Calvinist gospel to its literal ends, that being that everything that ever occurs is God's will, and you are to thank God for all evil that occurs in the earth because God willed it all to be, including damnation for some, and salvation for others (like him).
Just like it always has been for years since the last time I came across sermon audio, this site is still a dark pit of the most vilest Satanic calvinist propaganda that exists on the earth. Shamelessly to the death its dark lords spread some of the most wicked of satanic heresies worldwide. Like Roman Catholics, only a few of them will ever repent, and most will fall into the eternal pit of hell.
ha ha ! gene thingumy and rowan williams there is a duo to conjure with ! i meet more than a few people who claim things that they self evidently dont believe in, 'calvinists 'who have an allergic reaction when one alludes to total depravity or limited atonement 'creationists' who think you are mentaly handicapped for believing in a 6 day creation, or folk who talk sovreignty but still cant explain why a 'good' god allows 'bad' things to happen, even some who talk about being 'saved' and cant even begin to explain what they have been saved from ( doubt there would be anyone like that here tho)fred a plonker? check the snarling beasts who surround them an eyeopener to me anyway i realised for the first time the natural man really does hate God the Bible is right after all.
charles m wrote: yes ive noticed that as well, being a baptist doesnt neccessarily make you a calvinist, in fact id go furthur, ive never yet met a baptist that was a calvinist but WBC are firmly calvinist, i know this because Ive heard the teaching.
I've never met a Baptist who was a Calvinist either. I've met a few who thought they were; Yet when they received a SBC Liberal from the US of A, they couldn't tell the difference. Maybe Spurgeon was the only real Baptist Calvinist we can lay claim to! (That should rattle a few cages)
As for WBC and Freddie I think he is more of a plonker than a calvinist.
Mike wrote: Fred Phelps barred from the UK? And yet Rowan Williams is welcomed there. I wonder which one has the most potential for damaging the nation?
Mike you can have Rowan too over there if you want, he could be a matching set for Gene the happy Bish.
yes ive noticed that as well, being a baptist doesnt neccessarily make you a calvinist, in fact id go furthur, ive never yet met a baptist that was a calvinist but WBC are firmly calvinist, i know this because Ive heard the teaching. They dont stand outside funerals protesting they are rmoved hundreds of meters away and just stand there anyway, they would be welcome at my funeral id be honored to have anyone of this wonderful Godly family preach.
lots of christians seem to be confused about showing a loving attitude to sinners - to do what wbc do and endure the ineviteble hatred and disgrace and finger wagging from other christians specifically to warn sinners about their fate - that is a high expression of love - how many of their detractors would dare to confront mobs of militant sodomites with their sin ? I admit that my heart shrinks at the prospect and I admire WBC for their love of the Word. (Jesus is the word)
like i say if someone does not understand why they do what they do then that person does not have an sufficient grasp of sound doctrine.
i believe fred is right when he says if you love the doctrines of election, reprobation, linited atonement and Gods absolute sovreignty it is an excellent indicator of salvation
I've watched quite a few things on Fred phelps and his followers. I've also visited a few of his websites. Not only do I disagree with them but I also find it hard to believe that he and those who follow him are even saved. I just can't understand why anyone would want to do what they do. Homosexuality is indeed unbiblical, however we need to reach out to them in love and treat them with the same kindness that we would show to any other sinner.
Yes, Phelps should be allowed freedom of speech, which doesn't mean of course disrupting funerals. Right above [URL=]]]Allegations of abuse and cult behavior[/URL] You will see, "Many other Calvinists, such as James White, do not acknowledge Phelps, and regard his church as a cult." in the Wikipedia article about Phelps.
i thank God for Fred and his family and pray for their work. I never miss a sermon, fred is extremely knowlegable about scripture and brave and took on civil rights cases back in the 60's when no one in his jim crow town would touch them. I take comfort from the fact that i understand his preaching and count it as one of the evidences of my election and calling. It is a measure of the lateness of the hour that our gracious God has sent fred and his family to the world. If you dont like the phelps and dont understand them then you either have some doctrinal problems or are not one of the elect
Sadly this example highlights how perverted the British Government has become. Nobody in their right mind accepts Fred and his childish rantings. But which is worse childish ranting or deviant politicians???
UK Political mindset has reached the level of abomination. We should therefore not be surprised that Christianity is persecuted on the island.
I don't think ignoramus should be censored either; everyone has a right to free speech. If he is breaking the law by intruding, disturbing the peace, and/or interrupting private funerals, he should be either thrown out or arrested.
What people should do is ignore him so maybe he and his 10 followers--all family members--will go away. He causes the name of God to be blasphemed due to his idiocy and ignorance of the Scripture and by spreading his hate-filled venom, keeping would be repenters out of the arms of Jesus. It's really a shame that he doesn't understand what keeps us out and gets us into heaven, i.e., the blood of Jesus Christ!