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FRONT PAGE  |  10/15/2019
WEDNESDAY, JAN 28, 2009  |  11 comments
Local churches hit hard by tough economic times
The nation's economic fallout has hit both the sacred and secular worlds of Central Florida. Many local churches now are struggling with the same money issues that confront businesses: budget crises, salary reductions and staff layoffs.

"We're facing what our members are facing in their companies and at work," said the Rev. David Loveless, pastor of Discovery Church in Orlando. Its four campuses serve about 4,000 members.

"We've probably cut $700,000 out of the budget this year," Loveless said. ...


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News Item1/29/09 7:33 PM
glass half full  Find all comments by glass half full
Maybe this is good!

Maybe smaller churches would be better for accountability, and for families interacting.

Maybe pastors wouldn't feel the pressure that comes from managing these large mega churches.

Maybe churches would not be filled with non-christians using the basketball courts, the soccer fields, the gyms, going to the weight loss clinics, counseling, book clubs, etc.

Maybe, just maybe, genuine christians would come together to worship the Lord, to hear the Word of the Lord taught, and to fellowship with and serve one another.

Maybe, just maybe, the church would be the church, again, and not a metropolis.

One can only hope. :-) n

"And they will know we are christians by our love."

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News Item1/29/09 3:37 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Barry from Ky. wrote:
(Mar 10:21) Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me. (KJV)
My preacher drives a new mustang. Most preachers I know drive expensive vehicles. I don't see a lot of religious folks taking one for the team. I know of no religious people who are starving. How many campuses does one church need? I thought WE were the church.
There are plenty of religious people who go hungry. Often it's due to the gods they serve.

Most of the preachers I know drive well used vehicles. My anecdote is as valid as yours.

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News Item1/29/09 3:08 PM
Barry from Ky. | Northern Ky.  Contact via emailFind all comments by Barry from Ky.
(Mar 10:21) Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me. (KJV)

My preacher drives a new mustang. Most preachers I know drive expensive vehicles. I don't see a lot of religious folks taking one for the team. I know of no religious people who are starving. How many campuses does one church need? I thought WE were the church.

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News Item1/29/09 12:09 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
I also find it ironic that despite all the pastoral talk of divine justice (which is well & good), there is relatively little teaching about how justice should be practiced by Christians, esp. in matters of church governance. Yet look at what is said in Gen 18:19: "..and [Abraham's children] shall keep the way of YHWH, to do justice and judgment..." It is hard to say this about many modern so-called "sons of Abraham," who only seem to complain about civil courts, but wink at abusive church leaders & oftentimes, unruly children.

Roger: looking for examples of church expenditure in the NT, I find only
- disaster relief for other churches (1 Cor. 16:1-3);
- remuneration of elders engaged in full-time study (1 Cor. 8, 1 Tim. 5) which, N.B., Paul did not insist upon for himself since he had a "weekday job";
- welfare for suitably-qualified widows (Acts 6, 1 Tim. 5).

Is there any precedent for the church to own real-estate (with all its attendant legal & logistical complications)? I have a hard time reaching this conclusion.

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News Item1/29/09 11:23 AM
nobody  Find all comments by nobody
Neil wrote:
You have a point there. I was assuming attendees were no more heedful of the duty to tithe than of other Scriptural injunctions, yet pastors tend to teach about tithing far more thoroughly than other subjects.
I agree, Neil. It's interesting that pastors who hold to "Grace, grace, all is grace," and indulge the sins of the sinner because it's all been paid for at the cross, and holiness and righteousness will come sometime in the future - but, not now! For these pastors to call for obedience in moral issues is sheer blasphemy - those cursed works - trying to add to one's salvation! How dare they!

These same pastors seem to fail to understand that that mindset correspondingly translates to one's giving of tithes and offerings.

The faithful give in good times and bad. The unfaithful give out of surplus, and most of the time not in proportion to their assets.

In times of tightening the belt, it would seem that the tithe would be the first to go.

He who is faithful in little (that would include every area of life), will be faithful in much.

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News Item1/29/09 11:10 AM
Robert | North Carolina  Find all comments by Robert
I have yet to find the NT scripture that commands me to tithe for the purpose of constructing a local temple, or for any other purpose for that matter. I am commanded to give generously and cheerfully, but nowhere does God tell me to give 10% (or "to start at 10%" or to "use 10% as a guideline or starting point") in the NT. This is what is commonly taught, but I belive it is error.
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News Item1/29/09 10:51 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
You have a point there. I was assuming attendees were no more heedful of the duty to tithe than of other Scriptural injunctions, yet pastors tend to teach about tithing far more thoroughly than other subjects.
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News Item1/29/09 12:20 AM
Guinness  Find all comments by Guinness
Neil wrote:
Now Discovery Church surely costs less than Disney, but then, you get what you pay for.
Do you know any people that give 10% and more of their gross earnings to Disney?
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News Item1/28/09 7:49 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Recession is also bad for nonprofit incorporated businesses masquerading as Biblical churches (whether they specifically preach prosperity theology or not). It takes lots of dough to put on a good show.

The more succe$$ful ones (like Discovery Church in the story) have what are called "campuses," like "franchises" in the fast-food business.

Now Discovery Church surely costs less than Disney, but then, you get what you pay for.

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News Item1/28/09 4:56 PM
TT | Tennessee  Find all comments by TT
Amen, Scott. We'll see what we really believe now.
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News Item1/28/09 3:42 PM
Scott McMahan | Internet  Contact via emailFind all comments by Scott McMahan
Recessions just blow the prosperity gospel completely to pieces.
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