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MONDAY, DEC 29, 2008  |  130 comments
Israeli minister vows 'war to the bitter end'
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Israel obliterated symbols of Hamas power on the third day of what the defense minister described Monday as a "war to the bitter end," striking next to the Hamas premier's home, and devastating a security compound and a university building.

The three-day death toll rose to at least 315 by Monday morning, with some 1,400 wounded. The U.N. said at least 51 of the dead were civilians, and medics said eight children under the age of 17 were killed in two separate strikes overnight. Israel launched its campaign, the deadliest against Palestinians in decades, on Saturday in retaliation for rocket fire aimed at civilians in southern Israeli towns.

Since then, the number of Israeli troops on the Gaza border has doubled and the Cabinet approved the call-up of 6,500 reserve soldiers. ...


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News Item1/9/09 4:21 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Anti-antichrist wrote:
Ok John, I'll leave it here. I could reply further, but why bother.
I'll try to distance myself from this unwelcoming place, though it is tempting when a derogatory comment is made.
So you feel unwelcome. So why are your feelings so important?
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News Item1/9/09 4:16 PM
Anti-antichrist | God's land  Find all comments by Anti-antichrist
Ok John, I'll leave it here. I could reply further, but why bother.

I'll try to distance myself from this unwelcoming place, though it is tempting when a derogatory comment is made.

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News Item1/9/09 3:46 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Anti-antichrist wrote:
Do you refer to people that disagree with the state as "conspiracy theorists?" What do you think of someone who doesn't believe that viruses fly around and hurt people?

The so-called laws that the "Christian cops" are supposed to enforce - Must we all obey or else?

Not defending David Icke, but what do you compare his strange theories to? Are the theories of the state not strange?

Conspiracy theorists are everywhere. You'll find old men down the local pub talking about consiracies over a pint. Some of the theorists are right, many are just plain wrong. Many times it is impossible to tell the truth from fiction.

Folks who do not believe that viruses are mobile, and can cause problems, only need to be taken into a flu-infested area to be convinced otherwise.

The laws of the land (in the UK) were loosely based on God's Law, and law enforcement officers were paid to bring lawbreakers to justice. This is biblical and I see nothing wrong with that.

I compare David Icke's strange teaching with the sciptures. I've weighed him in the balance and found him wanting.

As to the theories of the present state, yes, they are nearly all anti-Christian theories.

Sorry I took so long.

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News Item1/9/09 2:58 PM
Anti-antichrist | God's land  Find all comments by Anti-antichrist
John UK wrote:
#1 No
Do you refer to people that disagree with the state as "conspiracy theorists?" What do you think of someone who doesn't believe that viruses fly around and hurt people?

John UK wrote:
#2 I don't understand the question.
The so-called laws that the "Christian cops" are supposed to enforce - Must we all obey or else?

John UK wrote:
p.s. You feel free to disagree with me as much as you like. In the UK we still have freedom of speech, which means that even David Icke can preach his strange theories.
Not defending David Icke, but what do you compare his strange theories to? Are the theories of the state not strange?
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News Item1/9/09 2:43 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Anti-antichrist

#1 No
#2 I don't understand the question.

p.s. You feel free to disagree with me as much as you like. In the UK we still have freedom of speech, which means that even David Icke can preach his strange theories.

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News Item1/9/09 2:31 PM
Anti-antichrist | God's land  Find all comments by Anti-antichrist
John UK wrote:
So. Statism is a religion in which participants worship the state (god). How then do I fit into this? Am I one of these worshippers?
Do you mock others that disagree with what the state saith?

Do you require others to do what the state saith?

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News Item1/9/09 1:57 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Anti-antichrist wrote:
I'm sure you're aware of there being only two roads, a narrow one and a broad one. The broad road is anti-God. There are therefore only two camps, the saved and the unsaved - Christian/heathen, holy/unholy, clean/unclean, etc. I do not believe in any other camp, nor do I believe in a dual or split personality whereby a professing Christian loves his enemy in his "Christian capacity" yet kills his enemy in his "non-Christian 'civil' capacity." Call me a heretic if you will, but I reject this nonsense.
My position is clear. The state is a false god and statism is simply a religion. It doesn't have to be so complicated. If you don't believe that then I don't know what I can do for you. Jesus Christ is the true God and he is supreme and is to be loved and obeyed first and foremost. If we desire to do that then we will surely desire to love our neighbor as well.
Sure, there's not much there I would disagree with. There are false gods everywhere. Even Bible study can be a false god if it detracts from the worship of God. Or a spouse can be a false god. Or a job. Or a theological position.

So. Statism is a religion in which participants worship the state (god). How then do I fit into this? Am I one of these worshippers?

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News Item1/9/09 1:43 PM
Anti-antichrist | God's land  Find all comments by Anti-antichrist
If I wasn't concerned for others I wouldn't have bothered coming to the forums in the first place, but only so much can be said to the ears that refuse to hear things that are not politically-correct. Attacking or questioning popular opinion that has been programmed is instantly met with mockery. There's not too much I can do in response to mockery. The Lord was mocked and was killed.

I'm sure you're aware of there being only two roads, a narrow one and a broad one. The broad road is anti-God. There are therefore only two camps, the saved and the unsaved - Christian/heathen, holy/unholy, clean/unclean, etc. I do not believe in any other camp, nor do I believe in a dual or split personality whereby a professing Christian loves his enemy in his "Christian capacity" yet kills his enemy in his "non-Christian 'civil' capacity." Call me a heretic if you will, but I reject this nonsense.

My position is clear. The state is a false god and statism is simply a religion. It doesn't have to be so complicated. If you don't believe that then I don't know what I can do for you. Jesus Christ is the true God and he is supreme and is to be loved and obeyed first and foremost. If we desire to do that then we will surely desire to love our neighbor as well.

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News Item1/9/09 12:26 PM
Tinfoil hat not needed  Find all comments by Tinfoil hat not needed
beastie boy

have you ever come across the concept of....

answering a question with a straight answer?

you sure you aren't a wannabe politician?You are the finest exponent of doublespeak I've heard in a long time!!

by the way......I thought you were bidding a fond farewell the other night to SA.....

nobody want to talk to you at home??

billy no mates.....

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News Item1/9/09 12:26 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Anti-antichrist wrote:
Would I not be wasting even more time?
It depends how concerned you are for others, and the lengths you are prepared to go to, in order to save people from going down a road which you claim is anti-God.

I'm still trying to grapple with what you understand by 'the road'. It may be you are a philosopher, or a member of a sect. But I can never debate with you if you do not state (excuse me!) your position.

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News Item1/9/09 12:15 PM
Anti-antichrist | God's land  Find all comments by Anti-antichrist
John, it is a shame that you continue to defend your brother lyn and not correct him and help him. He made a derogatory remark to which I responded with what SA expects. Then his babble started, then your out of the blue questions.

Now, what are you implying by paranoid?

John UK wrote:
Especially when you are the one who posts that a flu virus is not a virus at all but a 'flying devil'.
Just like your brother lyn, where did flu virus come from? Did I say flu virus? Are you then saying that "viruses" fly around and hurt people and that whosoever doesn't believe so has a mental disorder?

Yes, I know you are "very interested."

Do you believe the state is a false god and that statism is a religion?

John UK wrote:
Does that mean that you regard all non-Christians as antichrist, even those who have been chosen by God unto salvation, yet are not yet in the fold?
Why do you ask such a question John? How do I know who will eventually repent? Is there some secret you're not telling me?

From the intense postings lately it's obvious that the majority of participators will not tolerate viewpoints that do not agree with what the state saith. Right John?

Would I not be wasting even more time?

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News Item1/9/09 12:10 PM
Tinfoil hat not needed  Find all comments by Tinfoil hat not needed
and that would be those HARMLESS Hamas rockets that are now being fired into Israel.....

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News Item1/9/09 12:08 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Tinfoil hat not needed wrote:
a video allegedly showing the aftermath of an IDF air strike on a Gaza market shown to be a hoax....
The video turned out to be disinformation: it was not shot three days ago,and has nothing to do with the current conflict. It is actually from 2005. It was taken in the Jabalya refugee camp in the northern Gaza Strip, when a pickup truck carrying homemade rockets detonated by mistake during a Hamas rally.
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m50381&hd=&size=1&l=e
Yet another example of misinformation.
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News Item1/9/09 11:45 AM
Tinfoil hat not needed  Find all comments by Tinfoil hat not needed
a video allegedly showing the aftermath of an IDF air strike on a Gaza market shown to be a hoax....

The video turned out to be disinformation: it was not shot three days ago,and has nothing to do with the current conflict. It is actually from 2005. It was taken in the Jabalya refugee camp in the northern Gaza Strip, when a pickup truck carrying homemade rockets detonated by mistake during a Hamas rally.

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m50381&hd=&size=1&l=e

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News Item1/9/09 9:06 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Does that mean God loves antichrists?
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News Item1/9/09 8:48 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
So the elect are antichrists before they are saved then. Interesting.
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News Item1/9/09 8:40 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Viz

Thank you. So antichrists are fighting other antichrists in the middle east, as is only to be expected.

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News Item1/9/09 8:20 AM
videlicet  Find all comments by videlicet
"Antichrist" is a state of being at enmity with God and His Son.

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Ephesians 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby

1John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that ***spirit of antichrist,*** whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

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News Item1/9/09 8:02 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Anti-antichrist

It is a shame that when I post two simple questions you go all paranoid and regard me as a suspicious character.

Especially when you are the one who posts that a flu virus is not a virus at all but a 'flying devil'.

However, to put your mind at ease, let me say openly that I am very interested to hear your views on the antichrist 'state' and what you see as the Christian's response to such a thing. Do I, for example, worship a false god called 'the state'? And how do I do that?

You say: "John, my simple answer at the moment is that antichrist is anyone who denies the Lord Jesus Christ by words or works." end quote.

Does that mean that you regard all non-Christians as antichrist, even those who have been chosen by God unto salvation, yet are not yet in the fold?

I do wish you would come clean and state your case. The hoi-poloi in the UK will never understand your words unless they are clear. Will you go on 'beating the air' or will you make some points that might just help someone? You appear to be implying that most Christians are worshipping a false god. How so, and what do you say is the remedy for that? Do you have no compassion? Or do you enjoy seeing others go down a road you view as 'wrong'?

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News Item1/8/09 9:16 PM
lyn | usa  Contact via emailFind all comments by lyn
AAC~Since you insist on dragging my name in on most of your postings, I must, once again, press you for a truthful answer to your contradicting and confusing claims.
From your 9/30 9:37 post--"here in the United States of North America persecution is alive and well"
From 1/01 3:25 post--"Bernie wrote, 'are you an Israeli soldier?' In a sense, yes."
From 1/01 2:16 post--"YES, I AM IN ISRAEL. Sometimes I can't handle the daily persecution and would like to leave"

You owe all who post here a response to your conflicting claims. A follower of Christ does not purposely speak falsely, or strive to cause confusion among the brethren. These conflicting postings have been brought to your attention on numerous occasions, but rather than answer, you evade them with accusations- possibly to keep from having to address them upfront?
You come on these boards, accuse others of all kinds of things, stir up dissension and strife, and cause division. What is your true motive here?

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