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FRONT PAGE  |  8/17/2019
Choice News MONDAY, DEC 29, 2008  |  49 comments
Christians called to abandon public education
You've heard all about the disputes: "Silent Night" banned at the "holiday" program, artistic references to the Bible censored and faith-inclusive children's programs facing discrimination.

Now some people are fed up with public school treatment of Christianity and have launched a campaign calling for a rescue of kids from government education programs – a "Call to Dunkirk."

Voddie Baucham, Jr., author of "Family Driven Faith," noted children spend about 14,000 hours in public schools.

"Whoever controls those 14,000 hours controls our children's worldview," he said, citing Charles Francis Potter, a signer of the Humanist Manifesto. He wrote, "What can theistic Sunday school meeting for an hour once a week do to stem the tide of a five day program of humanist teaching?" ...


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News Item1/5/09 11:26 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Quite apart from pedagogical issues, there's the social aspect. Schools often have an ethical double-standard: it's horrifically wicked for faculty to seduce/molest students, but tolerable for classmates to do so (unless it causes a public scandal).

But even if not, staff rarely have the time or inclination to identify & punish offenders. Moreover, in the US (at least), schools are funded based on Average Daily Attendance, so there's an incentive *not* to expel offenders. So victims learn a lesson: justice isn't worth the trouble, since faculty really don't care about such problems, & coping, flight, or suicide are the only options. And worse, treatment you tolerate towards yourself, you tolerate towards others as well.

[URL=http://news.bbc.co.uk/panorama/low/front_page/newsid_7811000/7811468.stm]]]Sexual bullying in schools (UK)[/URL]

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News Item1/3/09 5:46 PM
Emily | australia  Find all comments by Emily
I agree that i have a narrow view of home-schooling.

I, like you, want the best for my children. I want them to grow into Godly young men.

I went to gov't school and I became a Christian. I don't think it negatively influenced me all that much. I know it's worse now, But is it that bad that we should abandon it?

Kenny, I'm curious as to how home-schooling is done in the US. I would like to see some positive home-schooling experiences.

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News Item1/3/09 1:11 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Have a great year, Kenny!

Nice post.

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News Item1/3/09 12:41 PM
kenny  Find all comments by kenny
Happy new year to everyone!

Emily wrote:

"If anything i've found that home-schooled children are more vulnerable and fragile when they are finally thrust into the world.
I think govt school provides a natural stepping stone into the world for our young children."

I've never been to Australia so I have no idea what the gov't schools or homeschools are like there.

I am very familiar with the gov't schools in the U.S. and the U.K. and their fruit. They do indeed produce worldly children with a humanist worldview. That's their goal. Good little Godless statists.

I also know MANY homeschooled kids in the U.S. and I assure you that none of them I meet are 'vulnerable' or 'fragile'. All of them are confident, quick learners (colleges here actively recruit them) and able to interact with folks of every age because they haven't been locked away in a room full of kids their own age all day for 12+ years.

Nobody I know who cares enough to homeschool their kids 'thrusts' them into 'the world'. I want my kids to be shocked by the world's sin and wickedness as they grow and learn, no matter what age. Shouldn't that be a Christian parent's goal?

Again, why would you send your kids somewhere all day only to have to de-program them? Why not just educate them?

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News Item1/3/09 11:54 AM
OD | Ohio  Find all comments by OD
"Whoever controls those 14,000 hours controls our children's worldview," he said, citing Charles Francis Potter, a signer of the Humanist Manifesto. He wrote, "What can theistic Sunday school meeting for an hour once a week do to stem the tide of a five day program of humanist teaching?"

What about all of the other hours children spend at home? An hour on Sunday morning should only be a supplement to a child's upbringing in the faith. If we're relying on Sunday school to be primarily responsible for the faith formation of our children, then we've lost the battle before they ever set foot in public schools.

I respect parents who send their children to public schools, and I respect parents who decide to home school their children. There are merits to both, and it's up to each family to decide what's best for their kids. Regardless of their choice, however, parents are still responsible for displaying Christ's glory and teaching to their sons and daughters at all times. It's not the church's job to make our kids godly. It's the church's job to come alongside of parents to bolster what's been taught at home the rest of the week.

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News Item1/3/09 11:31 AM
Anti-antichrist | God's land  Find all comments by Anti-antichrist
Emily wrote:
So you're saying that after a child has completed their schooling (by whatever means) they are then capable to go out into the world alone, and not before?
I didn't say that, I merely asked you two questions.

Emily wrote:
We go out into institutions for most of the day when we work, or attend University. Should this be our first experience of attending an institution for most of the day?
I know exactly where you're coming from, but to understand you're going to have to, somehow, erase the preconceived ideas about school, work, and "society." Why does life's ultimate goal consist of being successful (according to man) and fitting into the social order (or the kingdom(s) of this world)?

Emily wrote:
I know of some children who were home-schooled. Now they are not serving God [MAYBE BECAUSE THEY WERE "SCHOOLED?"], struggle to keep down a job, are poorly educated and have little social skills. I believe this is a reflection of a sheltered upbringing and home-schooling.
Children that do not attend the assembly are often labeled as sheltered (from the world). But I say unto: "Children that attend the school assembly are the ones that are truly sheltered(fromTheKingdomOfHeaven)
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News Item1/3/09 9:21 AM
Donnell | Washington  Find all comments by Donnell
As you know...this isn't a perfect world. "Come out from among them..." has a specific agenda.

Rethink your "justification", asking the Holy Spirit to guide you.

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News Item1/3/09 8:18 AM
Banned | in Boston  Find all comments by Banned
Emily wrote:
I just don't think we can put all our eggs in the basket of govt schooling. We have a responsibility to raise our children in the ways of God, this doesn't begin at school age and end with a certificate. I have a 2 yr old who i'm training in the ways of God now.
A dedicated, godly parent would be using the experiences their children face in govt school to teach them the ways of God. It's still a protective environment, if done correctly.
If anything i've found that home-schooled children are more vulnerable and fragile when they are finally thrust into the world.
I think govt school provides a natural stepping stone into the world for our young children.
Govt schools are preparation for the NWO, training in groupthink, helplessness, using sophisticated mind control techniques get the victims used to living under tyranny, torture, zero tolerance, outrageous injust harsh punishment for noncrimes, so they won't question or think.
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News Item1/3/09 1:13 AM
Emily | Australia  Find all comments by Emily
So you're saying that after a child has completed their schooling (by whatever means) they are then capable to go out into the world alone, and not before?
We go out into institutions for most of the day when we work, or attend University. Should this be our first experience of attending an institution for most of the day?
Wouldn't you say that attending an institution with the support of parents to help and guide them through each day, is far better than saying 'now you're on your own, remember everything i taught you!'
I know of some children who were home-schooled. Now they are not serving God, struggle to keep down a job, are poorly educated and have little social skills. I believe this is a reflection of a sheltered upbringing and home-schooling.
I believe many important things can be learned for public schooling. Including the sinfulness of man, and things that do not glorify God! I believe it is easy to show children that they should behave differently to their peers when they can see a contrast to the behaviour of Christians and non-Christians.
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News Item1/2/09 11:50 PM
Anti-antichrist | God's land  Find all comments by Anti-antichrist
But Emily, why send children to ANY institution for most of the day?

"If anything i've found that home-schooled children are more vulnerable and fragile when they are finally thrust into the world."

What do you mean by "thrust into the world?"

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News Item1/2/09 8:39 PM
Emily | Australia  Find all comments by Emily
I just don't think we can put all our eggs in the basket of govt schooling. We have a responsibility to raise our children in the ways of God, this doesn't begin at school age and end with a certificate. I have a 2 yr old who i'm training in the ways of God now.
A dedicated, godly parent would be using the experiences their children face in govt school to teach them the ways of God. It's still a protective environment, if done correctly.
If anything i've found that home-schooled children are more vulnerable and fragile when they are finally thrust into the world.
I think govt school provides a natural stepping stone into the world for our young children.
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News Item1/2/09 7:21 PM
Anti-antichrist | God's land  Find all comments by Anti-antichrist
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Anti-anti, many home schoolers get together so their children can play together, and of course they are churchgoers as well, so they have those activities also. Interested in home schooling? [URL=http://www.nchea.org/]]]Encouraging and supporting Christian families who educate their children at home[/URL].
Yeah I'm aware of those "super mom" play groups that are becoming popular. Just more structured and planned activities - man-made playgrounds, games, amusement parks, etc. Besides, from my observation the "communities" where people are supposed to live are empty, even with these minority folks whose children don't go to the assembly. Further, I'm sure we don't have the same idea of what play actually is. Much more can be said, but that's it for now.
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News Item1/2/09 3:13 PM
Brian D | USA  Find all comments by Brian D
First of all not 100% of public school is this humanistic progressive agenda. So it's not actually 14,000 hours of programming.

Secondly, good parents don't rely on the church service + sunday school to teach their kids. Leaving your kids to be taught by the church institution with none of your own daily input is just asking for failure.

I got enough from the hours each day my parents gave to me to understand when someone in the public school system (or any system) was talking about non-Christian values.

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News Item1/2/09 2:23 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Anti-anti, many home schoolers get together so their children can play together, and of course they are churchgoers as well, so they have those activities also. Interested in home schooling? [URL=http://www.nchea.org/]]]Encouraging and supporting Christian families who educate their children at home[/URL].
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News Item12/31/08 9:16 PM
Anti-antichrist | God's land  Find all comments by Anti-antichrist
Also, when the majority of children are cooped up in the religious prison schools, what about the children who do not attend the services? Who do they play with? I do agree that children need other children, and if not, then at least plenty of adults that love children could perhaps fill some of the void. However, usually a variety of adults are not even around because they themselves are working in their very own prison. For those in America, look around during the day - Where is everybody? When I was a boy life was lonely and boring even then, and now it's only gotten worse. Thanks to those wicked lawyers the amount of space for children to live and learn naturally has decreased, and natural play has become a criminal activity.
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News Item12/31/08 8:44 PM
Publican | Northern Hemisphere  Contact via emailFind all comments by Publican
Gotta go with you in your rebuttals to Dinwood, kenny. 'Raise up your child in the way that he should go', covers a lot of area.

One thing that must be remembered... Daniel did not volunteer to walk into the den of lions.

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News Item12/31/08 5:37 PM
Banned | in Boston  Find all comments by Banned
kenny wrote:
My kids spent their days living life, out and about...learning how to function and thrive in the world. ... BY FAR the ones who attended gov't schools are the ones least capable of getting along in life.
Kenny, your postings on homeschooling are great. Another thing to consider, w/ the crashing of the U.S. economy, people aren't going to have $ to keep the money-pit govt schools open, as most of property taxes go to support.

I live in the country and seems like a third of the young men are into homosexuality, bisexuality, drunkenness, drugs, tattoos, seem not to have a lick of sense. For this kind of graduate, homeowners are taxed so high they deliberately forego painting their homes or maintaining their front stoops and lawns to keep the assessments down.

They say the new economy when the dollar crashes and Main Street shuts down will be local, neighborhoods trading and bartering. Neighborhoods ought to clamor for the closure of govt schools, or that the bldgs be turned over to locals to run as they choose, staffing w/ volunteers or small groups sharing the bldg.

If people get back to small farms, take back control of our lives, training up of our own children, the looming economic crash can be a blessing in disguise.

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News Item12/31/08 4:33 PM
kenny  Find all comments by kenny
Dinwood wrote:

"You've probably heard this before but....
15 "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil."

Do you really think Jesus was talking about raising kids here? So we should apply this verse to our young children? Send them into a Godless, government run institution for their life training as Christians?

You have got to be kidding me.

Dinwood also wrote:

"Keeping the kids away from flesh and blood does not protect them from rulers of darkness, spiritual wickedness etc."

Yes it does. That's the whole idea. You have an obligation to protect them from the wrong influences and expose them to the right ones until they are old enough & preplared to handle it for themselves.

Too many parents choose to be irresponsible and hand that God-given responsibility off to someone else -in this case the world's education system-to do it for them.

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News Item12/31/08 4:19 PM
sellotape  Find all comments by sellotape
Anti-antichrist wrote:
Yes. Wouldn't a better way be a way that prepares children to be good citizens in kingdom of heaven opposed to good citizens in the kingdom(s) of this world?
In a perfect world we could produce perfect people whether at school or anywhere else.

But this is not a perfect world and the raw material is a bunch of sinners.

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News Item12/31/08 4:03 PM
Anti-antichrist | God's land  Find all comments by Anti-antichrist
sellotape wrote:
But as Christians arn't we seeking a better way?
Yes. Wouldn't a better way be a way that prepares children to be good citizens in kingdom of heaven opposed to good citizens in the kingdom(s) of this world?
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