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FRONT PAGE  |  9/23/2019
SUNDAY, DEC 14, 2008  |  21 comments
Vatican: Parents may allow kids to get vaccines linked to abortion
VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Parents may allow their children to be inoculated with vaccines that were produced with cells of illicit origin, said a top Vatican official.

However, Catholics also must urge doctors and pharmaceutical companies to let alternative, less controversial vaccines become more widely available for use, said Bishop Elio Sgreccia, former president of the Pontifical Academy for Life, who helped the Vatican prepare a new bioethics document.

The document said, however, that researchers and people involved in marketing vaccines have "the duty to avoid cooperation in evil and scandal" and must "refuse to use such biological material even when there is no close connection between the researcher" and those who destroyed the embryo or performed the abortion. ...


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News Item10/14/09 4:26 PM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
Hey there GG. Regarding faith alone, I think the orthodox protestant understanding is that by faith alone we are considered righteous and become righteous..in other words positionally and practically. Anything less would be heterodox to me and my understanding of the Scriptures on this matter. At least this is what the classic protestant confessions say. Faith without any evidence of being saved or transformed from wickedness to holiness and righteousness is a dead faith. James the Apostle could not be any more clear on it. As for Scripture Alone, yes, it has unfortunately suffered a major cave-in with the addition of so many books, commentaries, authors and personality cults. The proof of that is in what gets posted on the forums here....from so and so pastor, commentary, confession, concordance, etc. Makes my head spin when trying to figure if any one of them has a monopoly on the truth, each one trying to prove their point from the scriptures alone(and often plus a commentary or two), from how or when one is saved, how to worship God or who, when and how to baptize. Enough of this merry-go-round for me; time for a ride on the straight and narrow.
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News Item10/13/09 11:59 AM
GG  Find all comments by GG
"Well I am not a "closet Christian" because I inform other Catholics on discussion forums that there are some unscriptural RCC doctrines and some unscriptural parts to the Mass."

No. You are an unwitting Protestant with absolutely no credibility with either Catholics or Protestants. And you spread scandal among our enemies.

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News Item10/11/09 6:06 PM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
John Yurich USA wrote:
I inform other Catholics on discussion forums that there are some unscriptural RCC doctrines and some unscriptural parts to the Mass.
What's "unscriptural" to one can in many cases be considered scriptural to another.
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News Item10/11/09 4:25 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
John, it is much more effective to witness to other people in the flesh. It would even be more meaningful to other Catholics on the Internet, you said that left the Romish Church because, [URL=http://www.johnankerberg.org/Articles/roman-catholicism/RC1105W3.htm]]]Should Roman Catholicism really be classified as a Christian religion? -- No.[/URL] So, have you pointed that out to the people in your parish? The best way to do this is just walk out of the Papist Church.

Matthew 10
14 "And whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake off the dust of your feet...
37 "He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
38 "And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.
39 "He who has found his life shall lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake shall find it.
40 "He who receives you receives Me, and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me. ---[URL=http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbcmp.php]]]NASB[/URL]

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News Item10/10/09 6:41 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Luke 8:16 ¶ "Now no one after lighting a lamp covers it over with a container, or puts it under a bed; but he puts it on a lampstand, so that those who come in may see the light.
Matthew 10:33 "But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.---[URL=http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbcmp.php]]]NASB[/URL]
Anyone who is aiding and abetting an apostate church, and the Papist church is apostate, q.v., [URL=http://www.johnankerberg.org/Articles/_PDFArchives/roman-catholicism/RC2W0700.pdf]]]The Church of Rome Steps Into Apostasy[/URL], is not a Christian if he doesn't boldly speak out to his parents, family, and friends and points out that the Romish Church is an anathema, because it rejects, [URL=http://www.monergism.com/updates/reformation_essentials_by_mich.php]]]"Only Scripture," "Only Christ," "Only Grace," "Only Faith," and "To God Alone Be Glory"[/URL].
So pretending your a Catholic may mean you still are, but it does mean you're definitely pretending to be Christian!
Well I am not a "closet Christian" because I inform other Catholics on discussion forums that there are some unscriptural RCC doctrines and some unscriptural parts to the Mass. To be continued.
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News Item10/9/09 2:52 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Luke 8:16 ¶ "Now no one after lighting a lamp covers it over with a container, or puts it under a bed; but he puts it on a lampstand, so that those who come in may see the light.

Matthew 10:33 "But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.---[URL=http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbcmp.php]]]NASB[/URL]

Anyone who is aiding and abetting an apostate church, and the Papist church is apostate, q.v., [URL=http://www.johnankerberg.org/Articles/_PDFArchives/roman-catholicism/RC2W0700.pdf]]]The Church of Rome Steps Into Apostasy[/URL], is not a Christian if he doesn't boldly speak out to his parents, family, and friends and points out that the Romish Church is an anathema, because it rejects, [URL=http://www.monergism.com/updates/reformation_essentials_by_mich.php]]]"Only Scripture," "Only Christ," "Only Grace," "Only Faith," and "To God Alone Be Glory"[/URL].

So pretending your a Catholic may mean you still are, but it does mean you're definitely pretending to be Christian!

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News Item10/9/09 8:27 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Jim Lincoln wrote:
John, if any Catholic accepts any of the five solas, q.v., [URL=http://www.monergism.com/updates/reformation_essentials_by_mich.php]]]"Only Scripture," "Only Christ," "Only Grace," "Only Faith," and "To God Alone Be Glory"[/URL], he is an anathema to the Roman Catholic Church.
There is no such thing as "closet Christian" trying to be one means you are denying Christ and saying that He is evil! So, you have rejected Christ. In other words, a hypocrite.
Just what do you mean by a "closet Christian"? I will respond to the other things in your post above when you answer that question.
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News Item7/3/09 10:13 PM
John Paul's wife  Find all comments by John Paul's wife
Christians! Have you stopped to think about the fact that many vaccines were developed from babies that were killed because they might have this or that disease? These babies bodies were desecrated, their flesh put in test tubes, their cells duplicated and grown with diseases, and duplicated and duplicated.........and then put into a vial, and then shot into your arm.

Wake up!

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News Item6/8/09 9:48 AM
GG  Find all comments by GG
Let me get this straight. You believe in faith alone, but faith...is "NEVER ALONE". So you don't really buy into 'faith alone' either. However, when I say 'faith formed by charity' or faith that shows itself in selfless acts...I'm wrong!!!!! Catholics aren't saved by works, but by obedience to God's commandments. Works don't justify. It reminds me of "Sola Scriptura". How many Dictionaries, Glossariaries, Commentaries, Maps, and Time Lines, does it take to make that fantasy come true? You guys can sure chase your tail with the best of them.
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News Item6/8/09 8:22 AM
DJC49 | Florida  Contact via emailFind all comments by DJC49
GG wrote:
Actually, Catholics do believe in: "Only Christ", "Only Grace", "Only Faith (provided its formed by Charity), an "To God alone is the glory". The bible itself is against "Only Faith". Read James 2:24. So Jim is a lair
*GG* --
You have as much understanding about works as they relate to faith as you do about "eat My flesh and drink My blood." Zilch.

RCs love to point to James 2:24 and cry out: "See?! See?!" as if this verse was written in isolation from all that James says about works & faith elsewhere in his epistle.

James is NOT contradicting Paul who writes that a man is justified by faith. [Rom 3:28, 5:1, Gal 2:16, 3:24] Rather, that the OUTWORKING of faith is good works. Faith is PERFECTED by works. [James 2:22] Paul says much the same thing. [1Thes 1:3, Gal 5:6]

Man is justified by faith alone, but faith is never alone. That's the idea. Both James and Paul in several places show the true CHARACTER of the faith which justifies. It's not sterile; it's not lifeless; it's not alone. It manifests itself by works -- good works are SYMPTOMATIC of the faith which alone justifies.

If faith PLUS works were true, then just how many good works would be necessary for justification? Sorry, but the RC system just doesn't WORK.

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News Item6/8/09 3:02 AM
GG  Find all comments by GG
Actually, Catholics do believe in: "Only Christ", "Only Grace", "Only Faith (provided its formed by Charity), an "To God alone is the glory". The bible itself is against "Only Faith". Read James 2:24. So Jim is a lair.
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News Item6/7/09 3:38 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
John Yurich USA wrote:
I belong to the RCC but I do not reject "Only Scripture","Only Jesus","Only Grace","Only Faith" and "To God Alone By Glory". So what you stated about that all Catholics reject those five doctrines listed above is totally false.
John, if any Catholic accepts any of the five solas, q.v., [URL=http://www.monergism.com/updates/reformation_essentials_by_mich.php]]]"Only Scripture," "Only Christ," "Only Grace," "Only Faith," and "To God Alone Be Glory"[/URL], he is an anathema to the Roman Catholic Church.

There is no such thing as "closet Christian" trying to be one means you are denying Christ and saying that He is evil! So, you have rejected Christ. In other words, a hypocrite

Matthew 10
. 32Every one therefore who shall confess me before men, *I* also will confess him before my Father who is in the heavens. 33But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will *I* also deny before my Father who is in the heavens. 34Do not think that I have come to send peace upon the earth: I have not come to send peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to set a man at variance with his father, and the daughter with her mother, and the daughter-in-law with her mother-in-law; 36and they of his household shall be a man's enemies.

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News Item6/6/09 6:04 PM
DJC49 | Florida  Contact via emailFind all comments by DJC49
GG wrote:
If Catholics are cannibals then it's only because Jesus teaches cannibalism in John 6
*GG* --

Just a little follow up on:
"EATING FLESH AND DRINKING BLOOD"

You Roman Catholics fail to realize that when Jesus told the Jews of His day that they must eat His flesh and drink His blood in order to have eternal life, He was saying something, if taken LITERALLY, would be in DIRECT OPPOSITION to the Law of Moses.

Leviticus 17:10-14 Strictly forbids the drinking (eating) of blood under penalty of DEATH.

The "eating of His flesh" and the "drinking of His blood" is our finding (believing) in Christ's sacrifice on the cross our VERY LIFE. His cross is as vital to our eternal life as food and drink is to sustaining physical life. That's the metaphor which is involved here, *GG*. We "eat and drink of his flesh and blood" by BELIEVING in Christ and the efficacy of His death for us unto the forgiveness of our sins.

Christ NEVER meant for men to think (or believe) that by gobbling down communion wafers -- which other men brainwashed them into believing was the actual body and blood of Christ -- that by doing so they were obtaining for themselves eternal life! What utter foolishness!

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News Item6/6/09 5:27 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Quite right, DJK49, about [URL=http://www.johnankerberg.com/ankerberg-articles/apocrypha.html]]]The Apocrypha[/URL]. Since Papist Church rejects [URL=http://www.monergism.com/updates/reformation_essentials_by_mich.php]]]"Only Scripture," "Only Christ," "Only Grace," "Only Faith," and "To God Alone Be Glory"[/URL], and you would have to also as part of this anti-Christian body, I can hardly be causing divisions amongst brothers. The answer is "No" by the way to, [URL=http://www.johnankerberg.org/Articles/_PDFArchives/roman-catholicism/RC1W0902.pdf]]]Is the One True Church Roman Catholic?[/URL] emphatically so.
I belong to the RCC but I do not reject "Only Scripture","Only Jesus","Only Grace","Only Faith" and "To God Alone By Glory". So what you stated about that all Catholics reject those five doctrines listed above is totally false.
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News Item6/6/09 3:29 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Quite right, DJK49, about [URL=http://www.johnankerberg.com/ankerberg-articles/apocrypha.html]]]The Apocrypha[/URL]. Since Papist Church rejects [URL=http://www.monergism.com/updates/reformation_essentials_by_mich.php]]]"Only Scripture," "Only Christ," "Only Grace," "Only Faith," and "To God Alone Be Glory"[/URL], and you would have to also as part of this anti-Christian body, I can hardly be causing divisions amongst brothers. The answer is "No" by the way to, [URL=http://www.johnankerberg.org/Articles/_PDFArchives/roman-catholicism/RC1W0902.pdf]]]Is the One True Church Roman Catholic?[/URL] emphatically so.
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News Item6/6/09 12:03 PM
DJC49 | Florida  Contact via emailFind all comments by DJC49
GG wrote:
If Catholics are cannibals then it's only because Jesus teaches cannibalism in John 6. The Romans accused the Christians, who died before Nero, of cannbalism.... he blithly drops that Divine part of the Gospel of John out of his belief system because it doesn't fit. Who is more faithful to scripture? Catholics who use all the "inspired" books and believe what it clear states, or Jim, who agreed to drop seven books and mangles the others in his disbelief?
*GG* --

Funny thing about those 7 "inspired" books of the OT: not even the Jews themselves (who WROTE them) include any of the Apocrypha in their canon of Scripture!

And if Jesus meant that men should LITERALLY eat his flesh and LITERALLY drink his blood in order to have eternal life, the Apostles and disciples of Jesus, upon hearing this, should have taken out their knives and forks and started carving Him up on the spot!

But in explanation of what Jesus just said about eating His flesh and drinking His blood He went on to say:

"IT IS THE SPIRIT WHO GIVES LIFE; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you ARE SPIRIT and are life." [John 6:63]

Jesus was NOT pointing to some future "Hocus Pocus" performed during some formalistic Mass invented many centuries later!

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News Item6/6/09 11:13 AM
GG  Find all comments by GG
If Catholics are cannibals then it's only because Jesus teaches cannibalism in John 6. The Romans accused the Christians, who died before Nero, of cannbalism. What Christian traits has Jim ever been accused of? He sows disunity between brothers, to be sure. Being so true to scripture as Jim alleged would have us believe, he blithly drops that Divine part of the Gospel of John out of his belief system because it doesn't fit. Who is more faithful to scripture? Catholics who use all the "inspired" books and believe what it clear states, or Jim, who agreed to drop seven books and mangles the others in his disbelief?
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News Item6/5/09 2:29 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
John Paul's wife, to answer your question, Catholics who participate in the Eucharist? cannibals? [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=12806111645]]]The Intention for the Bread & the Cup[/URL]. Parents don't need Cult Central telling them what to do GG.
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News Item6/5/09 11:45 AM
GG  Find all comments by GG
Do you know what they call parents that don't allow their children to be vacinated?......"Childless!"
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News Item6/4/09 10:35 PM
John Paul's wife | Texas  Find all comments by John Paul's wife
This is a very important article!!!! What did we used to call people who ingested the flesh of another human? Think about it!

Anti-antichrist wrote:
[URL=http://www.reformation.org/vaccine.html]]]Vaccination‚ÄĒVatican's Medical Inquisition Revealed[/URL]
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