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Choice News TUESDAY, DEC 9, 2008  |  45 comments
British Authorities Prohibit Newspaper Ad Condemning Homosexual Behavior; Ian Paisley is defiant, says he will go to jail if necessary
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Although such statements are merely a repetition of the Bible's condemnation of homosexual behavior, the ASA prohibited the future publication of the advertisement, and decreed that all future ads placed by the Sandown Free Presbyterian Church would have to be submitted to the agency for approval before being placed in publications.

The ASA reportedly admitted that the ad was "representative of the beliefs of a specific group and indicative of their opinion only," but said that the text went "further than the majority of readers were likely to find acceptable." The ASA also ruled that it had "caused serious offence to some readers" and should not be published again in its current form.

The decision was in response to complaints filed anonymously with the ASA.

Dr. Ian Paisley, recently-resigned First Minister of Northern Ireland and one of the founders of the church, said that the church would not comply with the order, even if it members are jailed.

"We believe the Bible is the written word of God – the infallible word of God, and it has to be obeyed, so we will obey God rather than men, and if it means there has to be court proceedings, if it means even that we are going to be jailed for holding on to this, then that's a price we have to pay, and we are prepared to pay it," he said to the press.

Rev. David McIlveen, pastor of the Sandown Free Presbyterian Church, was equally unyielding. "As a church we remain firm in our conviction that it is better to obey God than man; and that no counsel of man men and women (sic) can alter, dilute or remove the sincerely held views that are authorised through the message of the Bible," he wrote in a recent statement publicized in the Belfast Newsletter (http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/Statement-by-Rev-David-McIl...).

"It has never been our intention to deliberately offend anyone, but we cannot deny that the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ will by its very nature be a source of offence to those who rebel against its message and in turn despise its messengers," he continued.


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News Item12/18/08 5:28 PM
Sally Kerr  Find all comments by Sally Kerr
SwordandTrowel wrote:
The Truth is . .
Mr. Paisley and others in his camp may seek to justify this sordid business by calling it ..........
Ever tried this approach?

1Tim 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

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News Item12/18/08 4:15 PM
bucketandspade  Find all comments by bucketandspade
The truth is that every western government in this world, is full of sinners divising sinful anti-Biblical legislation. Why should N.I. be any different?

At least Paisley and the FPC are making a stand agaist these abominations.
Quote; "Dr. Ian Paisley, recently-resigned First Minister of Northern Ireland and one of the founders of the church, said that the church would not comply with the order, even if it members are jailed."

Maybe you lot should stop squabbling amongst yourselves and fight the real enemy.

It will be even worse in a few years when the E.U. takes over your government and legislation along with Britain.

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News Item12/18/08 3:44 PM
SwordandTrowel  Find all comments by SwordandTrowel
The Truth is . .
Mr. Paisley and others in his camp may seek to justify this sordid business by calling it “equality legislation” but every discerning Christian knows this is nothing more than state-sponsored sin, a denial of the unchanging Word of God that calls such sin an abomination and an embracing of the lie that has been promoted, fostered and promulgated by the "politically correct" speech of those of a worldly spirit that homosexuality is simply another sexual orientation. God is not mocked!

Not the speech of the Christian . . . .
“the Office of the First Minister and the Deputy First Minister is totally committed to promoting equality and human rights and completely opposed to any form of discrimination or harassment against any citizen, and so are all in their Office.”

“Leaving the Word of God to Serve Paralimentary Tables” an article by Martyn McGeown
[URL=http://www.cprf.co.uk/articles/leavingtheWord.htm ]]]http://www.cprf.co.uk/articles/leavingtheWord.htm ..[/URL]
plainly shows in the light of Scripture the conflict inherent in Paisley's lifetime pursuit of two occupations . . preacher & politician, whose interests represent a contrast as striking as night and day, and why his trumpet makes an uncertain sound!

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News Item12/18/08 3:10 PM
Me  Find all comments by Me
bucketandspade wrote:
A wee bit o' realism
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News Item12/18/08 2:54 PM
bucketandspade  Find all comments by bucketandspade
SwordandTrowel wrote:
A Gospel Minister cannot represent two distinct kingdoms that are at variance with one another.
A wee bit o' realism

The true Christian and the True church always represents the two kingdoms.

Kingdom # 1
1Jo 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Kingdom # 2
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

As Jesus taught
Jo 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

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News Item12/18/08 2:24 PM
SwordandTrowel  Find all comments by SwordandTrowel
A Gospel Minister cannot represent two distinct kingdoms that are at variance with one another. The kingdoms of this world are the enemies of God and His Christ. Psalm 2; James 4:4; 1 John 2:15-17, & are working at cross-purposes with those of the Kingdom of God. “Political correct speech” is not the speech of the Christian. Those whom God by His grace has called out of the world & “translated into the kingdom of His dear Son.” Col. 1:13 now have the “mind of Christ” 1 Cor. 2:16 & our conversation is in heaven. Phil.3:20 The nations of the world at the moment seem to agree that sodomites are entitled to certain privileges, including government subsidies in order to parade their sinful lifestyle down main street.
For a man of God to put himself in such a position where he must speak for the world that promotes such sin is to pervert and oppose the Truth. This does irreparable damage to his witness for Christ and his credibility as a Minister of the Word. A Christian cannot presume to represent the interests of a special class of sinners, i.e.,and simply casually dismiss this stark incongruity w/his Christian testimony by stating he was speaking as a politician then.
[URL=http://www.cprf.co.uk/articles/leavingtheWord.htm ]]]'Leaving God's Word to Serve Parliamentary Tables"
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News Item12/17/08 6:04 PM
Enfilade  Find all comments by Enfilade
"Dr. Ian Paisley, recently-resigned First Minister of Northern Ireland and one of the founders of the church, said that the church would not comply with the order, even if it members are jailed."

And so the fight goes on!
Ian Paisley has fought many a hard battle inside and outside of the Church. If we as the True Christians stand together on these urgent issues, such as the acceptance of abominations by our countries, then we will do the work of our Father and His Son Jesus.
But let us never forget the antichrist at Rome which continues to peddle the same old heresies and dogmas of the ages. A witness of Biblical Truth must be proclaimed also to contend for the Faith.

[URL=http://www.ianpaisley.org/main.asp]]]The Real Struggle and Facts[/URL]

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News Item12/17/08 3:11 PM
SwordandTrowel  Find all comments by SwordandTrowel
A Christian is obliged at all times to speak for Christ; stand up for Christ; defend the honour of Christ; uphold the law of God . . His Word and thus advance the interests of Christ's Kingdom and His Cause, and not arbitrarily, when it is convenient. “Political correct speech” is not the business of the Lord's Servant to either defend or uphold.

Simply stated a man of God cannot also be a man of the people . . a politician, for that would be attempting to serve God and mammon concurrently, and the Scriptures point out the conflict in attempting to do so in Matt. 6:24.
Elijah did not halt between two opinions nor should we. (1 Kings 18:21) One cannot simply put on the mantle of a politician at whim and caprice and exchange it for the mantle of the prophet as you would a change of dress.

Neither can the message be altered to suit your audience, and then expect to be regarded as a CREDIBLE spokesman for God's unalterable WORD of Truth.
You might say it was the [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/new_details.asp?ID=23828]]]"HIGH price Paisley paid to cut the deal"

From those who are called to be standard bearers for Christ, his preachers, we expect “plainness of speech” both in an out of season! (II Tim. 4:2)

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News Item12/16/08 11:19 PM
Banned | in Boston  Find all comments by Banned
Moderator Alpha wrote:
Banned,
For your knowledge you were blocked several months ago because of frequent disregard for thread topics resulting in hijacked threads for your own pet topics. Unless you want to be known as "Banned Again" please take notice of the thread topic....
"British Authorities Prohibit Newspaper Ad Condemning Homosexual Behavior; Ian Paisley is defiant, says he will go to jail if necessary."
If you don't have anything to say relevant to the topic please refrain from posting so those who do wish to comment on the news item have opportunity.
Thank you.
Yes, I see we've got way off topic, my fault.

I was wondering why I was Banned Before, and I don't want to be Banned Again, so I will pay more attention to the thread topics.

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News Item12/16/08 10:46 PM
Moderator Alpha  Protected NameFind all comments by Moderator Alpha
Banned,

For your knowledge you were blocked several months ago because of frequent disregard for thread topics resulting in hijacked threads for your own pet topics. Unless you want to be known as "Banned Again" please take notice of the thread topic....

"British Authorities Prohibit Newspaper Ad Condemning Homosexual Behavior; Ian Paisley is defiant, says he will go to jail if necessary."

If you don't have anything to say relevant to the topic please refrain from posting so those who do wish to comment on the news item have opportunity.

Thank you.

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News Item12/16/08 9:20 PM
Banned | in Boston  Find all comments by Banned
On thinking millions, then billions then trillions --

I'm more informed than most on the central bank and fractional reserve banking, but I still don't understand how 800 billion could turn into $8 trillion in debt and growing. Bloomberg News reports $8 TRILLION currently, and growing. Not a mistake. It is T-R-I-L-L-I-O-N.

Soon as the $800 billion bailout went through, it was being reported that it was going to go to $5 trillion or more, the sky's the limit, that the $800 billion was not the top, that the Banksters had carte blanc to take whatever they wanted, with the U.S. taxpayer to be held accountable -- we are the collateral.

I don't understand, but this small group of greedy criminals (who own 90 perceant of the world and want 100 percent of it) has the ability and the right under the agreement made in 1913 when the Fed was formed to suck out all hte money from the country -- all of it. They already own all the gold, all of it.

By sucking out all the money, they will cause a worldwide depression, war, and then they can consolidate into a world government and world bank, or rather strengthen the world govt and bank already in existence.

Watch the Money Masters on-line while you still have the Internet and can afford electricity.

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News Item12/16/08 9:09 PM
Correction  Find all comments by Correction
Banned wrote:
Bloomberg reports 8 TRILLION in funds pledged in the bailout, 2 TRILLION already spent from what was supposed to have been $800 billion, and the

[QUOTE]Banned,

It's never wise to quote numbers without checking them.

Think millions, then billions, then trillions, . . . you understand.

See how you couldn't spend 2 trillion from $800 billion?

But, hey, who's counting?

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News Item12/16/08 6:34 PM
Banned | in Boston  Find all comments by Banned
Neil wrote:
Stalin had no problem suppressing even remotely contrary literature in his regime.
A typical response, "it can't be true or the people who say it would be dead, the book would be banned," etc. Alex Jones hears this all the time, "You must be lying or you'd be dead."

Fritz Springmeier, a Christian, is in prison, framed, paid a huge price for putting out the information.

People are hurting all over the world, yet Christians who post on SA think nothing bad can ever possibly come to America.

Bloomberg reports 8 TRILLION in funds pledged in the bailout, 2 TRILLION already spent from what was supposed to have been $800 billion, and the Banksters refuse to divulge where the money is going. The taxpayers, that's us, are on the hook for this money, and who knows where it will end, probably when there is nothing left.

The foreign Banksters are imploding the economy on purpose, and when there are no jobs, food riots, when crime balloons, the military under Northcom will have their excuse to crush us.

It is TIME to wake up. Google The Money Masters video online, 3 hrs., and watch it. Watch it twice.

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News Item12/16/08 5:53 PM
Guinness  Find all comments by Guinness
Neil wrote:
So I'm supposed to believe that the Rothschilds are powerful enough to "own" all the world's major players, but *not* powerful enough to stop Amazon.com from selling "13 Bloodlines of the Illuminati."
Priceless! ty
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News Item12/16/08 3:40 PM
lyn | usa  Contact via emailFind all comments by lyn
Banned~I checked out your Alex Jones on youtube,he spews out conspiracy propaganda with absolutely no evidence to back his wild accusations. His guest, Texe Marrs, is just as disturbing as he is. Marrs is exposed for what he is, a Jew-hating, Jew bashing hypocrite at www.therefinersfire.org/challenging_texe_marrs2.htm
It all makes sense though, your constant blaming of the Jews for all the worlds problems is fed by Marrs and Jones. How can one be a follower of Jesus Christ, yet have obvious hatred for the Jewish people? THis is anti-semitism. What religion are you Banned? You hate the Jews, blame them for all things gone wrong, and defend Muslims!
You seem to fear what lies ahead; you don't have a firm grasp on why the world is so corrupt. It is all traceable back to you, me, and all who ever drew a breath...s-i-n. The Bible is clear how things will continually deteriorate until Christ comes...turn off your computer and radio Banned, and open His word. Let Him guide you in all truth, not some raving nutjob.
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News Item12/16/08 2:34 PM
lyn | usa  Contact via emailFind all comments by lyn
Banned, where on his website does Alex Jones state what he believes? You said, "he's not afraid, sets an example in Christian courage". Could you elaborate with a factual statement, perhaps from Mr. Jones himself, stating what he believes?
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News Item12/16/08 2:18 PM
Banned | in Boston  Find all comments by Banned
Neil wrote:
So I'm supposed to believe that the Rothschilds are powerful enough to "own" all the world's major players, but *not* powerful enough to stop Amazon.com from selling "13 Bloodlines of the Illuminati."
Stalin had no problem suppressing even remotely contrary literature in his regime.
Actually Amazon only has two used copies for sale. But you can read it on the Internet I think, pretty much intact --

I've been hearing a lot lately about the shutting down of the Internet, and it is much harder to find stuff online now.

Tyranny has not kicked in full force YET, but when it does it will surpass what you described above under Stalin. People will be afraid to speak up, even if they want to.

It's already like that in case you haven't noticed. Everybody is a terror suspect, unless of course one is an illegal alien, then anything goes. Just talking about the subject at all makes one suspect. We are supposed to pretend everything is fine, even though we know it's anything but.

I listen to Alex Jones, and he's not afraid, sets an example in Christian courage.

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News Item12/16/08 1:27 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
So I'm supposed to believe that the Rothschilds are powerful enough to "own" all the world's major players, but *not* powerful enough to stop Amazon.com from selling "13 Bloodlines of the Illuminati."

Stalin had no problem suppressing even remotely contrary literature in his regime.

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News Item12/16/08 10:18 AM
Banned | in Boston  Find all comments by Banned
DJC49 wrote:
the 5 Rothschild sons of Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744–1812) BEGAN their banking dynasty in the early 1800's during the latter stages of the Napoleonic Wars.
You are correct. I was wrong.

DJC49 wrote:
Now as for your silly theory about 1 trillion per week being stolen:...IOW, there's a heist going on that involves some Group stealing what amounts to the TOTAL GWP every year! Right?
Right. Bloomberg reports $8.5 TRILLION stolen so far since the Bankster heist 7 weeks ago. If people don't wake up and stop them, there will be nothing left. Nothing. No pensions, nothing.

The MSM has been reporting on troops in the streets. Also, Paulson threatened Congress w/ martial law if they didn't pass the so-called bail-out. The military has been marching in parades, helping police with auto wrecks, traffic stops, and this season are even passing out toys in front of Toys R Us, in full artillery and military gear, bulletproof vests, getting people used to seeing them.

And remember Katrina?

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News Item12/16/08 8:50 AM
DJC49 | Florida  Contact via emailFind all comments by DJC49
Banned wrote:
To verify history, start w/what you KNOW is true and build upon it.

In the 1500s the five Rothschild sons became a financial dynasty in all of Europe.

You see the Bankster heist just pulled on America? It wasn't $700 billion but rather they are stealing $1 trillion a week.

They own the militaries who we now see in our streets with martial law, enforcing total tyranny.

Good advice, *Banned* -- "start with what you know!"

And what you DON'T seem to know is that the 5 Rothschild sons of Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744–1812) BEGAN their banking dynasty in the early 1800's during the latter stages of the Napoleonic Wars. NOT the 1500's! So you're about 2-3 centuries off on what you "know," Banned.

Now as for your silly assertion that 1 trillion per week being stolen: venture a guess as to what the Gross WORLD Product was in 2007 (est).
$54.62 trillion
And 2008's GWP couldn't have been much more ... maybe less.
IOW, there's a heist going on that involves some group "stealing" what amounts to the TOTAL GWP every year! Right?

And I don't know where YOU live, Banned, but I'm saddened to hear that YOUR streets are loaded with military who are enforcing martial law at the present.
Tough break.

How's your supply of tinfoil?

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