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MONDAY, DEC 1, 2008  |  30 comments
Churches find 'chocolate Jesus' tasteless
Germany's churches criticised a businessman this week for selling thousands of Jesus chocolates.

Frank Oynhausen set up his 'Sweet Lord' chocolate Jesus business saying he wanted to restore some traditional religious values to Christmas in Germany.

But the German Protestant Church rebuked the idea as 'tasteless' and the Roman Catholic Church was not amused.


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News Item12/8/08 1:04 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Sherry, well said. And from even a practical standpoint, images of Christ are by themselves useless anyway, since they cannot tell us that He is sinless, that He is the Son of God, & what He did for sinners. Only propositional language can convey that.

Let's say a Bushman who has never heard of Jesus or the Gospel is shown a picture of Him on the cross. What can he conclude from this by himself, unless someone uses verbal propositions to explain its meaning to him? Pictures are definitely not worth a thousand words here.

That's the problem with most visual art, esp. the modern sort like Cubism: you need an expert critic to explain all the encoded cues (if they indeed understand the artist's intention correctly). So painters & sculptors who think their works are capable of making political or social statements are deluding themselves.

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News Item12/8/08 11:42 AM
Sherry C.  Contact via emailFind all comments by Sherry C.
One commentor here says that this is O.K. so long as we do not bow to it and worship it. First of all, do we even know what Jesus looks like? No. This is a false image. Secondly, is our Savior thought of as we look upon this image made in chocolate? If so, then we have bowed down to it as we would and should the true Christ. Thirdly, is this to promote our faith in Christ, using it as a tool for the spread of the Gospel? If, so, then we have promoted a false Christ. If we so much as give thanks for all Christ has done for us by looking upon this edible image or any image, we are offering worship. This is no trite matter. How many complain about this chocolate "Jesus" yet have an image of the false Christ hanging in a frame on our walls? Or have statues and other "jesus" junk? If one can have those images then one need not be upset over this. They are all sacriligious. Anything that symbolizes our faith and causes us to praise God, apart from the Scriptures, is not right in God's sight. We still have golden calves among Christians that must be destroyed.
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News Item12/2/08 4:42 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
rogerant wrote:
If we were to read the book of Acts as a "HOW TO" book for church ordinances, we would be drawing lots to appoint Apostles.
Not if we read it rightly. Jesus told the 11 not to leave Jerusalem, and to wait... No instructions were given to select another apostle, but the typically impatient Peter runs ahead and calls for it anyway. By lot, no less. Yet later we see that the Lord calls Paul. Makes me wonder if Paul was not meant to be #12, selected like the original 12, by Jesus himself. So there may be instruction here after all. Don't try to run ahead of the Lord. It is interesting that nothing else of Matthias is recorded in Scripture, save being selected by lot.
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News Item12/2/08 3:55 PM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
rogerant wrote:
If we were to read the book of Acts as a "HOW TO" book for church ordinances, we would be drawing lots to appoint Apostles.
Ok.
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News Item12/2/08 3:50 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
According to Reformed sources I've seen, many WCF articles, incl. those concerning the visible church, have verses in Acts as proof texts. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I thought "rogerant" is Presby.
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News Item12/2/08 3:30 PM
rogerant | Saskatoon Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by rogerant
Faithful Remnant wrote:
I have heard this also about Acts being historical but not intended to support one's doctrinal opinion. It doesn't sit well with me either. Is this about using Acts to support some form of baptism?
If we were to read the book of Acts as a "HOW TO" book for church ordinances, we would be drawing lots to appoint Apostles.
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News Item12/2/08 2:51 PM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
I have heard this also about Acts being historical but not intended to support one's doctrinal opinion. It doesn't sit well with me either. Is this about using Acts to support some form of baptism?
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News Item12/2/08 2:30 PM
rogerant | Saskatoon Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by rogerant
lyn wrote:
Rogerant, your comment would seem to nullify 2 Timothy 3:16, "ALL scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness."
No offense, but I will continue to allow the Holy Spirit to lead me in all truth, along with Godly men whom I trust.
No offense

Oh I see, you don't trust ungodly men like myself. Right, no offence.

All Scripture is profitable for teaching, yes. Judges and Chronicles are profitable for teaching as well, but they are not a "WHO AND HOW TO BAPTISE FOR DUMMIES"

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News Item12/2/08 1:55 PM
lyn | usa  Contact via emailFind all comments by lyn
Rogerant, your comment would seem to nullify 2 Timothy 3:16, "ALL scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness."
No offense, but I will continue to allow the Holy Spirit to lead me in all truth, along with Godly men whom I trust.
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News Item12/2/08 12:13 PM
rogerant | Saskatoon Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by rogerant
lyn wrote:
Rogerant, again, I will not bite. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I quoted a verse from Acts, so that isn't my opinion, but the word of God. I know what God has done for me, and I praise Him.
God bless
Actually, you quoted from the historic account of the Apostles. It is the account of the works of the Apostles and a historical account of the early church. It is a historical book, just as is the historical books of the O.T. such as Joshua, Judges, 1st and 2nd Kings etc. etc...

The book of Acts is not a "How To Do Church and Church Liturgy FOR DUMMIES" It is a historical book. Your "HOW TO" book for doing church properly is in Exodus, Levititcus and a covenental link between circumcism and baptism.

1 Cor. 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.

The book of Acts is not to be read as a diadactive (designed or intended to teach)

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News Item12/2/08 11:18 AM
lyn | usa  Contact via emailFind all comments by lyn
Rogerant, again, I will not bite. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I quoted a verse from Acts, so that isn't my opinion, but the word of God. I know what God has done for me, and I praise Him.

God bless

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News Item12/2/08 11:15 AM
rogerant | Saskatoon Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by rogerant
lyn wrote:
Rogerant, I refuse to involve myself in the merry go round of c. vs. a. for the simple fact that God didn't call me to argue with 'professing' Christians, but to proclaim the Gospel.
As for water baptism, I tried that in the eighth grade at my old Lutheran Church. Needless to say, I went on to live a most immoral and godless life.
If you don't want to involve yourself, then don't throw in your opinion and open up the can of worms and then condemn everyone who desires to clarify their opinion

BTW: Your salvation took place at the cross if you are saved, not by your "experience" at an event in your life of subjective repentance. You were save by an objective "work" at the cross

True salvation is evidenced in the resurrection. The resurrection was the evidence of our acquittal. Romans 4:26

Our assurance rests in this acquittal, not in our subjective experiences.

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News Item12/2/08 11:05 AM
lyn | usa  Contact via emailFind all comments by lyn
Rogerant, I refuse to involve myself in the merry go round of c. vs. a. for the simple fact that God didn't call me to argue with 'professing' Christians, but to proclaim the Gospel.
As for water baptism, I tried that in the eighth grade at my old Lutheran Church. Needless to say, I went on to live a most immoral and godless life. It wasn't until He intervened, in His timing, and broke my proud heart that I was truly saved. Too many believe they are going to heaven because they were simply 'baptized' as an infant or child. If one does belong to Christ, it will be manifested in His timing. True salvation is evidenced by a regenerated heart, a changed life; not one of sinless perfection, but one that isn't marked by continual habitual sin. I have since been baptized again, but the baptism of the Holy Spirit is how I know God has truly saved me.
Paul Washer's 'the Ten Indictments' is highly recommended to all who profess Christ.
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News Item12/2/08 10:59 AM
Pikestaff  Find all comments by Pikestaff
lyn wrote:
What would be the point of infant baptism? Is salvation by works? Truly, the only baptism that makes a difference is the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I appreciate your comments, but I wholeheartedly disagree. God bless
Yes Lyn;
I suspect that Baptists and Presbyterians will continue to disagree on this for centuries to come; (if we all last that long).
But I know that you Baptists will learn the truth when you get to heaven.

"Salvation by works"??? What the babies works???

God be with you.

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News Item12/2/08 10:54 AM
rogerant | Saskatoon Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by rogerant
lyn wrote:
It would be hard for an infant to hear and comprehend such a message.
Psalm 71:1 In You, O Lord, I put my trust; Let me never be put to shame. Deliver me in Your righteousness, and cause me to escape; Incline Your ear to me, and save me. Be my strong refuge, To which I may resort continually; You have given the commandment to save me, For You are my rock and my fortress. Deliver me, O my God, out of the hand of the wicked, Out of the hand of the unrighteous and cruel man. For You are my hope, O Lord God; You are my trust from my youth. 6 BY YOU , I HAVE BEEN UPHELD FROM BIRTH; You are He who took me out of my mother's womb. My praise shall be continually of You.

Praise be to the Lord God Almighty, who uphholds some of His elect, FROM BIRTH

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News Item12/2/08 10:52 AM
lyn | usa  Find all comments by lyn
What would be the point of infant baptism? Is salvation by works? Truly, the only baptism that makes a difference is the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I appreciate your comments, but I wholeheartedly disagree. God bless
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News Item12/2/08 10:37 AM
Pikestaff  Find all comments by Pikestaff
lyn wrote:
DJC49 points out that infant baptism doesn't save. The grounds for baptism are found in Acts 2:41, "So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls."
The preaching of the Gospel preceded the act of baptism, as the Holy Spirit convicts lost souls upon hearing the word of God, hearts are changed by the power of His word. Those who received {to accept what is offered} the Gospel underwent a baptism, but NOT until they had heard the Gospel message. It would be hard for an infant to hear and comprehend such a message.
Oh Dear Lyn;
The standard Baptist denomination hypothesis.

First you have excluded God from the baptism. Does He require proof by human confession to know who are His flock?

Second the verse to which you refer is at "mission," ie the first time the adults heard the Gospel. So yes they will require baptism at the age they hear. Presbyterians baptise adults on mission too.

Third *COVENANT* - The promise is to you and your children. Acts 2:39.

Fourth Nowhere in the Bible is discrimmination by age, taught or practised.

Fifth If God can accept the circumcision at 8 days old, then HE can equally receive and enable baptism at the baby stage.

etc etc.

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News Item12/2/08 10:22 AM
lyn | usa  Contact via emailFind all comments by lyn
DJC49 points out that infant baptism doesn't save. The grounds for baptism are found in Acts 2:41, "So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls."
The preaching of the Gospel preceded the act of baptism, as the Holy Spirit convicts lost souls upon hearing the word of God, hearts are changed by the power of His word. Those who received {to accept what is offered} the Gospel underwent a baptism, but NOT until they had heard the Gospel message. It would be hard for an infant to hear and comprehend such a message.
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News Item12/2/08 7:55 AM
DJC49 | Florida  Contact via emailFind all comments by DJC49
Concerning the bread and wine, Lance Eccles wrote:
... it is his body, blood, soul and divinity.
It must be terribly comforting for Catholics to "know" that they are able to actually chew on, then digest, Divinity.
_

Lance, after Jesus gave His teaching about Him being the bread of life, He gave this point of clarification:

"It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life."
[John 6:63]

Christ's entire discourse on His flesh being true food and His blood being true drink was indeed high metaphor. He was comparing Himself to the manna which came out of heaven during the Wilderness period of Israel. You didn't expect the Jews who heard His teaching to take out their knives and forks and start chowing down right then and there, did you? And it's obvious that Jesus did NOT mean for this body and blood talk to be taken literally as there were strict commandments against drinking blood in the Torah.
_

Now if you want to take something literally which Jesus taught, try this:
"You MUST be born again."
And He wasn't referring to infant baptism.

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News Item12/1/08 11:37 PM
Lance Eccles | Goulburn NSW  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lance Eccles
enough aleady wrote:
Lance, will you be sharing this bread and wine with your new found Muslim friends? What god will you reference this bread and wine to? Allah? The pope? The idolatrous Mary?
It is not permitted to share it with unbelievers.

Orthodox Christians may receive if they do not have access to one of their own priests. Under rare and exceptional conditions Protestants may receive. But Muslims, and anyone else, never.

The reference, of course, is to Jesus, since it is his body, blood, soul and divinity.

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