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MONDAY, OCT 20, 2008  |  17 comments
'Beatles songs as effective as the Bible in explaining Christianity'?
London, Oct 19 : Churches should use the Beatles' hits in their services, for they are often more effective in expressing Christianity, says a leading bishop.

In a book backed by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, the Rt Rev Nick Baines, Bishop of Croydon says that the Bible has become banal and argues that pop music writers can communicate deep theological concepts in a way that is more accessible to the younger generation.

Although hundreds of evangelical churches have already turned to guitar-based songs instead of traditional hymns, the bishop suggests that clergy still need to be more creative in appealing to non-churchgoers. ...


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News Item3/7/10 4:08 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
"Imagine" that
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News Item3/7/10 2:30 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
"London, Oct 19 : Churches should use the Beatles' hits in their services, for they are often more effective in expressing Christianity, says a leading bishop.
In a book backed by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, the Rt Rev Nick Baines, Bishop of Croydon says that the Bible has become banal and argues that pop music writers can communicate deep theological concepts in a way that is more accessible to the younger generation."

Get back, already. So which one of these guys is the fool on the hill? They don't like the Bible but they can't let it be, can they? But that's how it is when you think all you need is love.

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News Item3/7/10 1:40 PM
Jessica Dawson | Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by Jessica Dawson
"In a book backed by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, the Rt Rev Nick Baines, Bishop of Croydon says that the Bible has become banal"

banal - devoid of freshness or originality; hackneyed; trite: a banal and sophomoric treatment of courage on the frontier.

Hebrews 4:12 NKJV KJV For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

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News Item3/7/10 10:44 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Rick wrote:
Yeah; and I think Ozzie Osborn is a Christian Satanist too, isn't he?
On a recent documentary about heavy metal bands, band members of Black Sabbath were interviewed and the origin of their name was revealed.

At a time when most of them were too young to attend certain films at the cinema, one member was just old enough, and he went to see the film called "Black Sabbath" starring Boris Karloff. Along with many other youths of the day, horror movies were found to be exciting, and upon talking about this one, the others quickly agreed to call the band Black Sabbath.

It was quite fascinating to hear the now-elderly band members talking about their experiences.

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News Item3/7/10 9:06 AM
Rick | Alabama  Find all comments by Rick
Yeah; and I think Ozzie Osborn is a Christian Satanist too, isn't he?
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News Item10/25/08 7:18 AM
Mark.UK | Manchester UK  Find all comments by Mark.UK
DJC49 wrote:
I was just wondering which one of the following Beatles songs carried the deep theological message of the Gospel:
Helter Skelter
I am the Walrus
Back in the U.S.S.R.
Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds
Maxwell's Silver Hammer
Savoy Truffle
Octopus's Garden
Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite
Well said !! I don't think any verse of a single song there would shine any truth on anything, ever!

However, there is a Beatles song that shines truth on the office of Rt Rev Nick Baines and his blind lukewarm faith = The fool on the hill.

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News Item10/23/08 12:19 PM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
Baines says:

"I have read the Bible through many times and I have enjoyed art all over the world... But it was a simple song from [Bruce] Cockburn's early period that gave me the words to hang all this together and provide me with a vocabulary for connecting the bigness of the universe with the smallness of men in a language of worship."

Baines seems to be putting the Bible and "art" on the same level, and he contrasts man's smallness with the "bigness" of the "universe" rather than God.

Based on his comments, his favor for "God" and the Bible are not exclusive, as they must be for one who truely is a believer.

"Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh".

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News Item10/20/08 11:32 PM
Lance Eccles | Goulburn NSW  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lance Eccles
Alan H wrote:
"Let it Be" of course! The song about Mary, the mother of God.
Interesting reaction.

Anyway, the song is not about Jesus' mother. One explanation is that it's about Paul Macartney's own mother, who died when he was 14.

The other explanation I've heard is that "Mother Mary" is a slang reference to cannabis.

Somehow, I suspect that the second is the true explanation.

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News Item10/20/08 9:38 PM
Alan H | Washington State  Protected NameFind all comments by Alan H
DJC49 wrote:
I was just wondering which one of the following Beatles songs carried the deep theological message of the Gospel:
Helter Skelter
I am the Walrus
Back in the U.S.S.R.
Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds
Maxwell's Silver Hammer
Savoy Truffle
Octopus's Garden
Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite
"Let it Be" of course! The song about Mary, the mother of God.

When I find myself in times of trouble
Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be.
And in my hour of darkness
She is standing right in front of me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be.
Let it be, let it be.
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be.

And when the broken hearted people
Living in the world agree,
There will be an answer, let it be.
For though they may be parted there is
Still a chance that they will see
There will be an answer, let it be.
Let it be, let it be. Yeah
There will be an answer, let it be.

And when the night is cloudy,
There is still a light that shines on me,
Shine on until tomorrow, let it be.
I wake up to the sound of music
Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be.
Let it be, let it be.
There will be an answer, let it be.
Let it be, let it be,
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be

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News Item10/20/08 7:39 PM
BibleThumper | Phoenix Az  Contact via emailFind all comments by BibleThumper
Neil wrote:
"music writers can communicate deep theological concepts in a way that is more accessible to the younger generation."
That's laughable! Where do they get these clergymen - crack houses? When young, I wracked my brains trying to figure out what the Beatles' lyrics actually meant (if I could even make out the words). I've since learned that in pop music, lyrics are either double-entendres, heavily metaphorical, or deliberately ambiguous, when they aren't mind-numbingly repetitive.
Perhaps these clergy believe that "life is deeper than logic," so the specific lyrical content doesn't really matter. In which case then, going to the Men's Room is no different than going to church - both can be uplifting spiritual experiences.
Neil, you're showing your age...
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News Item10/20/08 7:28 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
"music writers can communicate deep theological concepts in a way that is more accessible to the younger generation."

That's laughable! Where do they get these clergymen - crack houses? When young, I racked my brains trying to figure out what the Beatles' lyrics actually meant (if I could even make out the words). I've since learned that in pop music, lyrics are thick with double-entendres, metaphors, or otherwise deliberately ambiguous phrases, when they aren't mind-numbingly repetitive.

Perhaps these clergy believe that "life is deeper than logic," so the specific lyrical content doesn't really matter. In which case then, going to the Men's Room is no different than going to church - both can be uplifting spiritual experiences.

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News Item10/20/08 7:17 PM
DJC49 | Florida  Contact via emailFind all comments by DJC49
I was just wondering which one of the following Beatles songs carried the deep theological message of the Gospel:

Helter Skelter
I am the Walrus
Back in the U.S.S.R.
Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds
Maxwell's Silver Hammer
Savoy Truffle
Octopus's Garden
Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite

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News Item10/20/08 6:39 PM
BibleThumper | Phoenix Az  Contact via emailFind all comments by BibleThumper
Let's see, John, Paul, George and Ringo rather than Matthew, Mark, Luke and John; sounds like a bad idea to me
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News Item10/20/08 3:34 PM
Scott McMahan | Internet  Contact via emailFind all comments by Scott McMahan
I was going to say ... "except for 'Tomorrow Never Knows' of course" ... but considering Rowan Williams is involved (can't the people of the UK have him recalled or something? every nutty religious news from the UK features him -- isn't the Anglican Church taxpayer funded? can't he be fired or impeached?), he probably thinks T.N.K. is a deeply Christian theological song. Listen to the color of your dreams...
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News Item10/20/08 3:30 PM
Pikestaff  Find all comments by Pikestaff
Definitely Mike;
This guy and his Libby pals are a bunch of clowns and waxing worse and worse.

He also said
"In the book, called Finding Faith and described by Dr Williams as "profound and challenging", he reveals the impact that pop songs have had on his Christian belief."

Matt 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

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News Item10/20/08 3:19 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Pikestaff wrote:
"In a book backed by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, the Rt Rev Nick Baines, Bishop of Croydon says that the Bible has become banal and argues that pop music writers can communicate deep theological concepts in a way that is more accessible to the younger generation."
The trouble with this banal fool is that he works in a Liberal church - the diametrically opposed religion to Christianity. These poor deluded worldly followers of culture couldn't tell the Bible from a banana.
18 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, THEY BECAME FOOLS"
So Pikestaff,

It sounds like you disagree with Wrong Reverend Baines and the Archdork of Canterbury. So you don't think deep theological concepts can be communicated by banal pop music?

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News Item10/20/08 3:10 PM
Pikestaff  Find all comments by Pikestaff
"In a book backed by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, the Rt Rev Nick Baines, Bishop of Croydon says that the Bible has become banal and argues that pop music writers can communicate deep theological concepts in a way that is more accessible to the younger generation."

The trouble with this banal fool is that he works in a Liberal church - the diametrically opposed religion to Christianity. These poor deluded worldly followers of culture couldn't tell the Bible from a banana.

18 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, THEY BECAME FOOLS"

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