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FRONT PAGE  |  4/20/2019
MONDAY, SEP 29, 2008  |  13 comments
33 Pastors Flout Tax Law With Political Sermons
CROWN POINT, Ind., Sept. 28 -- Defying a federal law that prohibits U.S. clergy from endorsing political candidates from the pulpit, an evangelical Christian minister told his congregation Sunday that voting for Sen. Barack Obama would be evidence of "severe moral schizophrenia."

The Rev. Ron Johnson Jr. told worshipers that the Democratic presidential nominee's positions on abortion and gay partnerships exist "in direct opposition to God's truth as He has revealed it in the Scriptures." Johnson showed slides contrasting the candidates' views but stopped short of endorsing Obama's Republican opponent, Sen. John McCain. ...


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News Item10/7/08 7:45 PM
hidemi williges | san francisco, ca  Find all comments by hidemi williges
Why would anyone here take Pastor Ruby Mitchell seriously. Just look at her website.
http://www.apostleprophet.org
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News Item10/4/08 9:07 PM
BJ in VA | Virginia  Find all comments by BJ in VA
Pastor Ruby Mitchell wrote:
How can Christians who say they are Christians look down on one and excuse the other? You want vote for Senator Obama becuse he is pro-choice, but McCain is a liar, a biblical law as well. Sarah Palin believes like Biben and Obama, did you see the debate? This is hypocritical. No, black have been the slaves of the white man for over 200 years and it is ending. We have faithfully voted for the white man and they were evil. John McCain is demonic and so is Sarah but I guess they are righteous in God's sight as liar. Maybe you know something that I don't know about the Bible.
So your voting based soley on color--that makes you as big a racist as anybody, I hope you aren't preaching that garbage from the pulpit--but you proably are. You have never tasted or known slavery for a second in your life and your misusing the pulpit for your personal agenda!! You should be ashamed of yourself--but my guess is your to proud. You can pat yourself on the back when Osama pulls this nation into complete socialism, but that's what the underachievers want anyways--more goverment handouts.
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News Item10/4/08 7:54 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Pastor Ruby Mitchell wrote:
How can Christians who say they are Christians look down on one and excuse the other? You want vote for Senator Obama becuse he is pro-choice, but McCain is a liar, a biblical law as well. Sarah Palin believes like Biben and Obama, did you see the debate? This is hypocritical. No, black have been the slaves of the white man for over 200 years and it is ending. We have faithfully voted for the white man and they were evil. John McCain is demonic and so is Sarah but I guess they are righteous in God's sight as liar. Maybe you know something that I don't know about the Bible.
Well, Pastor Ruby, how about lady pastors for starters? Any of them in your Bible?
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News Item10/4/08 10:10 AM
Pastor Ruby Mitchell  Contact via emailFind all comments by Pastor Ruby Mitchell
How can Christians who say they are Christians look down on one and excuse the other? You want vote for Senator Obama becuse he is pro-choice, but McCain is a liar, a biblical law as well. Sarah Palin believes like Biben and Obama, did you see the debate? This is hypocritical. No, black have been the slaves of the white man for over 200 years and it is ending. We have faithfully voted for the white man and they were evil. John McCain is demonic and so is Sarah but I guess they are righteous in God's sight as liar. Maybe you know something that I don't know about the Bible.
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News Item10/1/08 8:03 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
It is surely foolishness to become entangled by 501c3. However, if church is properly understood to be an organism composed of people, and not an organization, we can easily see that censoring the one in the pulpit has no Constitutional support. The 1st Amendment is a limit on government, as are the rest of the Bill of Rights. If I as an individual cannot be constitutionally censored in the endorsement of a particular candidate, then neither can be an individual within a group of individuals who happen to be meeting in a building mistakenly called a church. Neither church foolishness of the 501c3, nor Court/IRS ignorance of the meaning of the Constitution, diminishes the freedom of speech had by someone expressing an endorsement of, or opposition to, a particular candidate.
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News Item10/1/08 12:24 PM
ENGINEER | USA  Find all comments by ENGINEER
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=7807221931]]]501C3 Churches being Muzzled- good message on SA[/URL]

a growing movement to avoid this entanglement would make the protest here moot.

2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2Co 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
2Co 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

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News Item10/1/08 9:42 AM
KK | USA  Find all comments by KK
From the article:
This time, the church action is concerted. Yet while the ministers say the rules stifle religious expression, their opponents contend that the tax laws are essential to protect the separation of church and state. They say political speech should not be supported by a tax break for the churches or the worshipers who are contributing to a political cause.

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Those who affirm "The Separation of Church and State" as a tool to silence "True Voices of Reason" have ascribed to a misnomer !!! --- The Founding Fathers imputed no such proposition --- it is in complete and total contradiction to the heart with which the Founders drafted The Constitution of The United States !!!

It was L.B.J. that instituted this ridiculous law and it was an unconstitutional act of censorship that put Government in the position, via the I.R.S., to pose themselves as a looming threat as the "speech police".

FREEDOM OF SPEACH APPLYS EVEN IN THE PULPIT REGARDLESS OF TAX STATUS !!!

IT ISN'T GOVERNMENTS ROLE TO DICTATE TO "We The People" WHAT "We" CAN AND CANNOT SAY !!! -- PREACHERS FALL INTO THE CATIGORY OF "We The People" ("FREE MEN" UNDER AMERICA'S FOUNDING DOCUMENTS) !!!

ENOUGH OF THIS TOMFOOLERY !!! --------

Veritas Vincit !!!

"IN" Christ, KK

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News Item10/1/08 8:39 AM
Taxpayer | PA  Find all comments by Taxpayer
What you fail to understand, Mike, is that the IRS doesn't dictate ANYTHING to pastors.

Pastors ACCEPT the rules of the IRS in exchange for tax exempt status. If they forgo the status, the IRS can't do anything to them in this regard.

The problem in the churches is the same as the problem on Wall Street. Greed!!

Let's stop running our churches as businesses and serve Christ instead of dollars, (which means, salaries, building funds, etc, too)

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News Item9/30/08 3:28 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
KK wrote:
From the article: Yet while the ministers say the rules stifle religious expression, their opponents contend that the tax laws are essential to protect the separation of church and state.
Even if we go along with the fiction of separation of church and state, the IRS, as an agent of the state, must thereby be prohibited from crossing the "wall of separation" to dictate what may be said, or not said, in the pulpit.
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KK | USA  Find all comments by KK
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News Item9/30/08 3:10 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
even if true (from the article) 'In an open letter Saturday, a United Church of Christ minister, the Rev. Eric Williams, warned that many members of the clergy are "exchanging their historic religious authority for a fleeting promise of political power," to the detriment of their churches.
"The role of the church -- of congregation, synagogue, temple and mosque -- and of its religious leaders is to stand apart from government, to prophetically speak truth to power," Williams wrote, "and to encourage a national dialogue that transcends the divisiveness of electoral politics and preserves for every citizen our 'first liberty.' " ' only partly and I would add,
Matthew 7
5Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
What's sauce for the Catholic Church [URL=http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=dabney]]]The Perils of Popery [/URL] is sauce for the politicized Protestants.
Sorry, Jim. You quoted a United Church of Christ minister. Therefore what he said is automatically questionable. Do you approve of the idea that the role of Church is to be dictated by government?
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News Item9/30/08 2:19 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
even if true (from the article) 'In an open letter Saturday, a United Church of Christ minister, the Rev. Eric Williams, warned that many members of the clergy are "exchanging their historic religious authority for a fleeting promise of political power," to the detriment of their churches.

"The role of the church -- of congregation, synagogue, temple and mosque -- and of its religious leaders is to stand apart from government, to prophetically speak truth to power," Williams wrote, "and to encourage a national dialogue that transcends the divisiveness of electoral politics and preserves for every citizen our 'first liberty.' " ' only partly and I would add,

Matthew 7
5Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

What's sauce for the Catholic Church [URL=http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=dabney]]]The Perils of Popery [/URL] is sauce for the politicized Protestants.

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KK | USA  Find all comments by KK
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