LORENZAGO DI CADORE, Italy - Pope Benedict XVI has reasserted the universal primacy of the Roman Catholic Church, approving a document released Tuesday that says Orthodox churches were defective and that other Christian denominations were not true churches.
Benedict approved a document from his old offices at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith that restates church teaching on relations with other Christians. It was the second time in a week the pope has corrected what he says are erroneous interpretations of the Second Vatican Council, the 1962-65 meetings that modernized the church....
Lance Eccles wrote: And Sola Scriptura is one of those traditions of men, with no biblical basis.
Since the "Church" is composed of men, we could logically conclude that "Church" Traditions are traditions of men with no biblical basis but on the subjective word of men who claim out of their own society to be vicars of Christ. It is their self-made prelate traditions that secures their tyrannical rule over others in the church. Given their subjective reasoning, we have nothing to measure the authenticity of their traditions but the traditions themselves. Whereas Christ himself who quotes the scriptures says that "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word which proceeds out of the mouth of God." Neither in this nor in any of his other sayings, does he attribute life to that which "proceeds from the councils of men."
GG- the 'glorified body' is necessary because flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. Because of the finished work on the cross of Jesus Christ, we who are truly born again, changed from the inside out, will be given this body, we did NOTHING to earn it. It is part of the salvation plan of God, He gives it all, so therefore, all glory, honor and praise are due to Him and Him alone. BTW, I don't wish to be a part of the last judgment, the great white throne judgment is the judgment of those who rejected the gospel according to God's word ALONE. Your pathway is the broad road. You follow what a 'tradition' teaches, which is contrary to sound doctrine. The tradition spoke of in scripture refers to scripture itself, God's word, which is timeless. The very oracles of God are the 'tradition' which we are commanded to believe in, follow, and obey. NOTHING ADDED GG; no salvation by works. Salvation is God's gift, until you are ready to come under the authority of God's word ONLY, you will never understand. You may think you know Jesus, but, does He know you?
I'm sure you will correct me if I go wrong (ha!), but wasn't Christ's body glorified at his Resurrection? Aren't we also to be Resurrected with a glorified body after the Last Judgement? If so...does God know that we are going to have some small measure of glory that doesn't belong to him? Most of what passes as Protestant notions of "God's Word" is really nothing more than someone's opinion. Thats what breaks Churches apart!
PS - No need to say your 'Sorry', you do not determine my pathways.
GG- sorry, but without the truth of God's word to back it up, your words are nothing more than your 'opinion'. You make a claim, then have no biblical verses to confirm it. Does scripture teach various kinds of glory, and differing levels of honor? NO! The verse from Isaiah 42:8 posted by Engineer says it all, there is only ONE who is worthy of ALL glory and honor, Almighty God is the only one worthy sir.
I took SBG's advice and looked up 'kecharitomene', eventually I did find the article by James White, but I had to bypass numerous other articles by Catholics who supported the true meaning of this 'first hint' at Mary's sinlessness and the seed of the doctrine of the 'Immaculate Conception".
Why do the Fundi's teach that God is so weak, conceited, and starved for the finite glories of foolish men's words, that he must clutch all praise to himself like a pouting 3 year old. All Glory and Honor was always the attribute of God before men existed. He can afford to lend a wee bit of glory to his creatures, the work of his hands, the image of himself.
To those who may have tendencies towards the Roman cultish views you may find the truth concerning the word, "kecharitomene", with a perusal of the article by Dr. James White: Alpha & Omega Ministries Apologetic Blog, "Notorious James White: Dirty Debater".
As for the ridiculous, unbiblical notion that Jesus Christ, the perfect God/man, shared his high redeemer's role with a mere human being(Mary), Hebrews tells us that the Lord Jesus Christ "HIMSELF purged us from our sins."
GG- ALL true born again believers are being transformed by God's grace through His word, and His Holy Spirit into the image of Christ, and are being 'perfected' as we go. Mary hadn't gone through anything different than any other true born again believer goes through. Yes, she was blessed, as is all who are in Christ. God blesses according to His will and purpose, but He does not show favor. Jesus honored His earthly mother so His Father in heaven would be glorified, just as all are commanded to do, honor our mother and father. That doesn't mean I am to honor your mom, or visa versa. We should show proper respect and reverence to all, but to put one on a higher level than another is NOT scriptural. Again, where in scripture does Christ say 'Honor my earthly mother, Mary'? I am unclear on your response to praying, is it to saints, or are you saying you pray for saints? Your response is somewhat muddied.
DJC49: "If you're going to quote Scripture, quote it accurately." --Resp: I won't quibble over numerous variations in translation, I'll let you do that. But, my meaning was clear, even if you disagree with the concept.
"flimsiest of scriptural citations upon which to base the honoring of Mary". --Resp: EA's question to me was, "Where in Scripture does it say to honor Mary". Since Mary was the Mother of Christ, then Jesus himself was required to honor her. Even you would admit that we are to follow Jesus' example. If that's not sufficient, then remember that the angel Gabriel called Mary, "Highly favored Daughter". This greek word is 'kecharitomene', it implies a transformation of Mary by grace to the point of perfection. This perfection is both intensive and extensive within her life. So if the angel Gabriel says that she is "perfectly graced" throughout her life, how can you deny someone holier than you are, of honor? Also, Mary says, "all ages shall call me blessed"...are you going to make her a liar?
"RCC prays TO saints.Praying FOR one another is a different story". --Resp: The orginal meaning of 'to pray' was 'to ask'. When Catholic's pray they may be in worship...they may be in praise...or they may be asking for aid. God hears the prayer of his Holy ones [Saints].
GG wrote: Pile It: If the Church of Rome didn't start until 325 ad, then of whom is St Ignatius of Antioch speaking in his "Letter To The Smyrnaeans [circa 110 ad]", "Wherever the Bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the 'CATHOLIC CHURCH'".
Well LA TI DA. Who cares who he is speaking about-- men are sinful and ever capable of error. Our final authority is what the Holy Bible teaches and not what some man says no matter how great we may think he is, or what kind of social standing he has. The Bible is clear that a church is a local autonomous assembly of believers who have no other authority than the Scriptures, and has a simple overseer. Any office above a pastor of a local assembly is unbiblical.
And as Pilut said, the church that Christ founded that hell will not prevail against has always existed outside of Rome, have always held the Scriptures as the final and ONLY authority, and is not "reformers" or "protesters", it was never part of the Romish hellishness to begin with.
GG- the 'church' is not a building, or set denomination, church-greek-ekklesia-a calling out, the whole body of Christians scattered throughout the earth-bbb, e-sword. Christ builds His church, one stone[saved soul] at a time, laying them on the foundational rock,Christ himself, He being the chief cornerstone. Peter means 'rock', this meaning is what Christ was referring to in the building of His church. Peter himself says he is a bondservant and an apostle of Christ [2Peter 1:1]He also refers to himself as an elder [2 Peter 5:1]. Nowhere in scripture does he call himself a pope, nor does this term appear anywhere.
GG: I will have to look up the quote you gave. But to the question you gave concerning the Reformation, I would partly agree. My conclusion is, though, that the Baptist church (though not always called by that name) was long before Rome. Actually, Luther could have joined the Anabaptists is Germany, but would not be baptized...so hence you have the reformed churches.