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Choice News SATURDAY, FEB 2, 2008  |  23 comments
Christian Photographer Hauled before Commission for Refusing Same-Sex Job
New Mexico, January 30, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The case of a Christian photographer who refused to photograph a same-sex "commitment ceremony", was heard before the New Mexico Human Rights Division on Monday.

A same-sex couple asked Elaine Huguenin, co-owner with her husband of Elane Photography, to photograph a "commitment ceremony" that the two women wanted to hold. Huguenin declined because her Christian beliefs are in conflict with the message communicated by the ceremony.

The same-sex couple filed a complaint with the New Mexico Human Rights Division, which is now trying Elane Photography under state antidiscrimination laws for sexual orientation discrimination.

The Alliance Defense fund (ADF), a legal alliance that is dedicated to defending and protecting religious freedom, sanctity of life, marriage, and family, is currently defending Elane Photography. ...


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News Item2/10/08 9:27 PM
Gayle Pospeschil | Massachusetts  Contact via emailFind all comments by Gayle Pospeschil
Saint terry evans wrote:
"I think that this is a tremendous threat to First Amendment rights.
I read those words throughout the story.

See, I can see Christ in none, no not one in this story, just people doing good things and bad in the name of what
Christ?

STE, chill! You're overly sensitive. The issue and article are about the 1st Amendment not Christianity. Look at LifeSite's About page
[URL=http://www.lifesite.net/aboutlifesite/]]]http://www.lifesite.net/aboutlifesite/[/URL]

"2. LifeSiteNews.com emphasizes the social worth of traditional Judeo-Christian principles but is also respectful of all authentic religions and cultures that esteem life, family and universal norms of morality.".

LifeSite does not purport to be a Christian website and so cannot be judged as such. The people behind LifeSite may even be (gasp!) "mormon, or worst a catholic".

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News Item2/9/08 1:06 AM
ErnieG  Find all comments by ErnieG
Jeremy wrote:
As soon as he asks you to leave, legally, you need to leave. That's free speech on both sides. Yours to present the gospel and his to reject it. From what I can tell, no one had their free speech violated.
The manager is on vaction until Tuesday and the Asst said I was not allowed to "preach". What I said was not preaching, but was said in the course of our conversation about another incident that had taken place.

What if I had been taking about shooting a deer and saw him suffer when I missed and talked about the details. Is this also a good reason to ask me to leave the store in the process of a transaction?

All I want the manager to do is give me the EXACT reason he asked me to leave the store. Remember, I was a CUSTOMER, not just somebody sharing the gospel and passing out tracts!

Perhaps you are right and I am wrong about stores not having to post what can and what cannot be said when speaking in a public place. But unless you are a lawyer and can show me what this store's policy is because not all of them are the same, I will proceed the way I think that God would want me to do, so that others who speak on ANY topic will not have to leave the premises.

Thanks for your replies and concern.

ErnieG

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News Item2/6/08 11:49 AM
Jeremy | Dallas  Contact via emailFind all comments by Jeremy
ErnieG wrote:
And what pray tell are the owners wishes?
snipped for brevity
As soon as he asks you to leave, legally, you need to leave. That's free speech on both sides. Yours to present the gospel and his to reject it. From what I can tell, no one had their free speech violated.

As far as I can tell, there are two levels of protection here. There's legal protection - which, as associated with free speech, protects all legal activity and also protects the wishes of property owners on their own property (provided those wishes don't directly violate the law). But when you are dealing with sharing the gospel with someone, there is a Higher Court. If you are relying on the court of the land, there is no guarantee of justice. But if you rely on the Bar of God, there is a final guarantee of justice and there is no need for anxiousness over man's rejection of the Truth. Abiding by the law of the land is not only reason for a good conscience, but also a good testimony to the unbeliever. Constitutional protection should not be what Christians rely on - but it certainly should be taken advantage of.

(I had more to say but comment length is limited)

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News Item2/6/08 7:48 AM
terry evans | miramar beach fl  Contact via emailFind all comments by terry evans
ErnieG wrote:
Mar 8:38 "Whosoever, therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation;of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels."
Luk 9:26 "For whosoever, shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's and of the holy angels." (KJV)
Could it be you people have these verses ommitted in your perverted versions?
Hi Ernie
Yes, I agree, many have forgot those verses. For many cannot even use their name in commenting, talk about ashamed
But in this case Ernie, mans law is not Gods. And you now violate both. Don't be confussed, be Christ like.
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News Item2/6/08 4:03 AM
ErnieG  Find all comments by ErnieG
Saint terry evans wrote:
Erine
Wake up.
Do you think that as a christian, while Im at work I should just pass out tracts and tell my coworkers all about Jesus
I do to, but the boss gets mad.
The Bible says to do everything unto the Lord. That includes your work.
Be on time, don't call off because its friday and you have the pto time, I miss that one, and most of all WORK
Do your job as if you are working for Jesus
Maybe the manager of the store kinda sorta agrees with me. And he does not want his employee's or nonbelieving customers disturbed. Simple Erine
Its not about you, Its ALL about how we make Him look
How about a man handing out his own business card for photography while working for Safeway
Both of the world
Mar 8:38 "Whosoever, therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation;of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels."

Luk 9:26 "For whosoever, shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's and of the holy angels." (KJV)

Could it be you people have these verses ommitted in your perverted versions?

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News Item2/5/08 6:30 PM
Saint terry evans | miramar beach fl  Contact via emailFind all comments by Saint terry evans
ErnieG wrote:
And what pray tell are the owners wishes? Since I am not a psychic, they should be posted for all to see because one store allows you to talk "freely" to employees while their as a customer and another does not.
How about a man handing out his own business card for photography while working for Safeway?
Perhaps you and others here don't think the rules about what can and what cannot be done in a business should should be plainly posted so that there is NO confusion. If that is the case, then I hope I wake up from this bad dream!
Erine
Wake up.
Do you think that as a christian, while Im at work I should just pass out tracts and tell my coworkers all about Jesus
I do to, but the boss gets mad.

The Bible says to do everything unto the Lord. That includes your work.
Be on time, don't call off because its friday and you have the pto time, I miss that one, and most of all WORK
Do your job as if you are working for Jesus
Maybe the manager of the store kinda sorta agrees with me. And he does not want his employee's or nonbelieving customers disturbed. Simple Erine
Its not about you, Its ALL about how we make Him look

How about a man handing out his own business card for photography while working for Safeway
Both of the world

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News Item2/5/08 5:21 PM
Saint terry evans | miramar beach fl  Contact via emailFind all comments by Saint terry evans
Jhawk44 wrote:
Americans are too touchy about their so-called "Free Speech" which is not really free at all, unless it's politically correct it seems. Just leave the shop owner alone, shake the dust of the store of your shoes and move along without a fuss and never come back to his shop.
And as for suing the person, I don't see how suing him because he was offended at the gospel is very Christian like behavior.
Amen
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News Item2/5/08 12:45 PM
Jhawk44  Find all comments by Jhawk44
Americans are too touchy about their so-called "Free Speech" which is not really free at all, unless it's politically correct it seems. Just leave the shop owner alone, shake the dust of the store of your shoes and move along without a fuss and never come back to his shop.

And as for suing the person, I don't see how suing him because he was offended at the gospel is very Christian like behavior.

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News Item2/5/08 11:16 AM
ErnieG  Find all comments by ErnieG
Jeremy wrote:
Whether it was the right thing to do or not, it certainly wasn't a violation of your free speech. While on the owner's property, if you want the protection of the law, you need to abide by any and all of his (legal) wishes.
And what pray tell are the owners wishes? Since I am not a psychic, they should be posted for all to see because one store allows you to talk "freely" to employees while their as a customer and another does not.

How about a man handing out his own business card for photography while working for Safeway?

Perhaps you and others here don't think the rules about what can and what cannot be done in a business should should be plainly posted so that there is NO confusion. If that is the case, then I hope I wake up from this bad dream!!!

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News Item2/4/08 1:43 PM
Saint terry evans | miramar beach fl  Contact via emailFind all comments by Saint terry evans
Chris wrote:
St Terry -
I'm not sure how a lack of citing Jesus makes the ADF satanic, so please explain. I think if you really delve into things you will come to a different perspective. While it is important to look at things from a Christian perspective, it is not necessary to mention Jesus in every paragraph.
The ADF seeks to uphold the Christian principle of this nation using legal methods and citing those documents of the founding fathers. While they and I may believe those statements and beliefs to be founded in the Bible and the work of Christ, stating that something should be so because that's what Jesus would have you do - will not get you far in court.
ADF statement of faith:
http://www.alliancedefensefund.org/about/Purpose/whatwebelieve.aspx
Hi Chris
I could be wrong, and most look at it as you do

stating that something should be so because that's what Jesus would have you do - will not get you far in court.

Render unto Ceasar, if you violate mans law, pay the price. If you need help in the matter, call on His name, why defend yourself without Him?
In ALL things, give thanks, that includes persecution, or in this case prosecution.

To run a bussiness, you are given a license by the state, not God,IE:501c3

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News Item2/4/08 11:43 AM
Jeremy | Dallas, TX  Contact via emailFind all comments by Jeremy
ErnieG wrote:
How about being asked to leave the store when I went into a Western Wear Store to purchase some goods last week. In the course of my conversation with the store manager that I had given a church tract and invitation, I said, "When a person rejects Jesus Christ, they are sending themselves to hell and not God!"
He suddenly became very offended and said, "Sir, I have to ask you to leave my store!"
I complied, and went outside the store adn told him it is my duty as a Christian to share the gospel with others and give them the truth.
Isn't this a violation of Free Speech and if so, what should I do? I was thinking of returning everything I bought previously ($500+ of goods) and asking him to repeat that statement with a witness present. If he did that, would I have a case to pursue in court?
I sure would appreciate any replies as this seems ridiculous!!!
Whether it was the right thing to do or not, it certainly wasn't a violation of your free speech. While on the owner's property, if you want the protection of the law, you need to abide by any and all of his (legal) wishes.
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News Item2/4/08 10:17 AM
[Chris] | MI  Find all comments by [Chris]
St Terry -

I'm not sure how a lack of citing Jesus makes the ADF satanic, so please explain. I think if you really delve into things you will come to a different perspective. While it is important to look at things from a Christian perspective, it is not necessary to mention Jesus in every paragraph.

The ADF seeks to uphold the Christian principle of this nation using legal methods and citing those documents of the founding fathers. While they and I may believe those statements and beliefs to be founded in the Bible and the work of Christ, stating that something should be so because that's what Jesus would have you do - will not get you far in court.

ADF statement of faith:
http://www.alliancedefensefund.org/about/Purpose/whatwebelieve.aspx

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News Item2/3/08 8:20 PM
ErnieG  Find all comments by ErnieG
Saint terry evans wrote:
Hi Ernie
He suddenly became very offended
As do some on even this website do.
would I have a case to pursue in court?
I sure would appreciate any replies as this seems ridiculous
Maybe the satanic folks at the ADF would help you.
Just go somewhere else, or just send me your money, I know this great store
The Bible is clear, you plant, others water,
terry
Hi Terry,

I became offended because I am a 100% disabled veteran who enlisted in the Airforce in 1952. At that time, this country was God fearing and MANY people gave their lives on battlefields for the freedoms that God gave us. To see organizations like the ACLU who is destroying the values of this country is sickening.

You seem to have jumped to conclusions about my concern in this matter which is very easy to do with the limited comments. Besides satanic legal support, their are also Christian attorneys that assit in matters such as this. (I have been given the name and address of one of those to contact.)

Protestant,
I handed many tracks and spoke with many people in this store. The asst. manager told me I was interfering with the help. However, he ALSO was one that accepted it, but NOW he is telling me it is wrong? I asked him, WHY NOW!

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News Item2/3/08 3:24 PM
Protestant  Find all comments by Protestant
"if so, what should I do?"

Ernie

Why not ask your Heavenly Father? It may be His good pleasure to lay this man upon your heart to pray earnestly for his soul. Providence may give you another opportunity to speak to him or as Terry says you have planted others may water if God chooses to give the increase.

'This man's violation is not about HIM, but about allowing people in public places to excercise their right of Freedom of Speech'

In the UK sodomites have used the same so they can stay at a Guest House in the same bed as their sodomite partner. Surely it is freedom of speech for the owner to say NO WAY! Yet the sodomite by law claims his own rights.

The store manager appears to be the owner 'my store' and you were not stopped from witnessing to someone in the store but only to him! If he wants to plug his ears and stay in his shop within the city of destruction-only God in His grace can intervene.

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News Item2/3/08 2:26 PM
Saint terry evans | miramar beach fl  Contact via emailFind all comments by Saint terry evans
ErnieG wrote:
How about being asked to leave the store when I went into a Western Wear Store to purchase some goods last week. In the course of my conversation with the store manager that I had given a church tract and invitation, I said, "When a person rejects Jesus Christ, they are sending themselves to hell and not God!"
He suddenly became very offended and said, "Sir, I have to ask you to leave my store!"
I complied, and went outside the store adn told him it is my duty as a Christian to share the gospel with others and give them the truth.
Isn't this a violation of Free Speech and if so, what should I do? I was thinking of returning everything I bought previously ($500+ of goods) and asking him to repeat that statement with a witness present. If he did that, would I have a case to pursue in court?
I sure would appreciate any replies as this seems ridiculous!!!
Hi Ernie

He suddenly became very offended
As do some on even this website do.

would I have a case to pursue in court?
I sure would appreciate any replies as this seems ridiculous

Maybe the satanic folks at the ADF would help you.

Just go somewhere else, or just send me your money, I know this great store

The Bible is clear, you plant, others water,

terry

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News Item2/3/08 11:36 AM
ErnieG  Find all comments by ErnieG
Dr. Phil wrote:
Hey Ernie,
I assume that you told him this AFTER you first taught him the Gospel, otherwise, he hasn't really yet rejected Jesus Christ entirely. If your church tract contained the gospel (1 Cor. 15:1-4), one still can not assume that they know it just because we handed them a tract and they have not had time to read it with understanding. 1 Cor. 4:4-5
Furthermore, let us assume that you did all of this and he rejected. Jesus told his disciples to expect this from some. In such cases, we are to shake the dust from our feet, not take them to court. Mt 10:14
The problem is that if we continue to surrender our rights, they will no longer be our rights. We have Freedom of Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.
This nation was founded on Christian principles, not muslim, hindu, buddist, yet the ACLU protects all these religions except Christianity!
Yes, we should wipe the dust off our feet when a person does not want to hear the gospel, but leave the door open for the next person that speaks to them. This man's violation is not about HIM, but about allowing people in public places to excercise their right of Freedom of Speech. If Christians continue to allow themselves to be muzzled, it will be a crime to say ANYTHING in public!
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News Item2/3/08 4:47 AM
Dr. Phil  Find all comments by Dr. Phil
ErnieG wrote:
How about being asked to leave the store when I went into a Western Wear Store to purchase some goods last week. In the course of my conversation with the store manager that I had given a church tract and invitation, I said, "When a person rejects Jesus Christ, they are sending themselves to hell and not God!"
He suddenly became very offended and said, "Sir, I have to ask you to leave my store!"
. . .
Isn't this a violation of Free Speech and if so, what should I do? I was thinking of returning everything I bought previously ($500+ of goods) and asking him to repeat that statement with a witness present. If he did that, would I have a case to pursue in court? . . .
Hey Ernie,

I assume that you told him this AFTER you first taught him the Gospel, otherwise, he hasn't really yet rejected Jesus Christ entirely. If your church tract contained the gospel (1 Cor. 15:1-4), one still can not assume that they know it just because we handed them a tract and they have not had time to read it with understanding. 1 Cor. 4:4-5

Furthermore, let us assume that you did all of this and he rejected. Jesus told his disciples to expect this from some. In such cases, we are to shake the dust from our feet, not take them to court. Mt 10:14

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News Item2/3/08 3:14 AM
ErnieG  Find all comments by ErnieG
How about being asked to leave the store when I went into a Western Wear Store to purchase some goods last week. In the course of my conversation with the store manager that I had given a church tract and invitation, I said, "When a person rejects Jesus Christ, they are sending themselves to hell and not God!"

He suddenly became very offended and said, "Sir, I have to ask you to leave my store!"

I complied, and went outside the store adn told him it is my duty as a Christian to share the gospel with others and give them the truth.

Isn't this a violation of Free Speech and if so, what should I do? I was thinking of returning everything I bought previously ($500+ of goods) and asking him to repeat that statement with a witness present. If he did that, would I have a case to pursue in court?

I sure would appreciate any replies as this seems ridiculous!!!

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News Item2/3/08 1:00 AM
Saint terry evans | miramar beach fl  Contact via emailFind all comments by Saint terry evans
"I think that this is a tremendous threat to First Amendment rights.

I read those words throughout the story.

The Alliance Defense fund (ADF), a legal alliance that is dedicated to defending and protecting religious freedom, sanctity of life, marriage, and family

Nothing about Jesus in that statement of faith

They said that would be compelled speech, ordering the parade organizers to help promote a message they do not want to promote. To apply the discrimination law that way violates freedom of speech. We are making a similar kind of argument in this case."

We are making a similar kind of argument

But then, nothing about Jesus in their defence either.

As a matter of fact even that poor persecuted photographer never mentioned Jesus, she said
her Christian beliefs are in conflict with the message communicated by the ceremony

One might wonder what are such a womens beliefs, maybe shes a mormon, or worst a catholic.
And what is "the message", is that not a bible version

See, I can see Christ in none, no not one in this story, just people doing good things and bad in the name of what
Christ?

Someone asked Jesus
will few be saved

Don't be disceived

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News Item2/3/08 12:35 AM
John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by John
In today's modern, "tolerant", progressive society
it's not only laudible to resist that which is perceived
to be bigotry, racism, etc.; but to punish it as well...
and there are plenty of poweful groups able and willing
to do so (ACLU, Southern Poverty Law Center, etc.)

This dear lady is being punished by people who think
she's being bad when she's actually being good.

It's a no-win situation for her unless the "punishers"
back-off, or are in some way convinced to do so.

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