The seemingly always smiling, positive-thinking pastor to America‚Äôs largest congregation welcomes everyone to his church, including office holders and politicians ‚Äď as long as they agree to leave politics outside the church doors.
Joel Osteen, best-selling author and pastor of the 47,000-member Lakewood Church in Houston, has a strict policy of not allowing any politician or government office holder to speak in his church about politics. Osteen also does not endorse any political candidate, although he doesn‚Äôt mind putting in a good word for the person if he or she happens to visit the church.
‚ÄúPart of it is how I was raised,‚ÄĚ Osteen explained in a Newsweek interview this week. ‚ÄúMy father‚Ä¶kept it out of the pulpit.‚ÄĚ...
But Not in "MY" Pulpit Jesus said, I will build "MY" church What is Osteen, a calvinist( joking) Hucabee and Rick Warren, what baptist? The Pope, is he catholic?
The Bible says something, well a whole lot of things about christians. I mean thats why we have the book. The Bible helps the christian understand God, Jesus, and The Holy Spirit. And the Bible is clear on man, to help the christian understand man. For the biggest threat to your Spirit is your flesh, the old man. And trust me, the flesh will resurrect more times than once. Thats why you are to pick up YOUR cross DAILY
The Bible is very clear on how one is saved, Jesus said, repent, believe and be baptised
The Bible is very clear on the church How to start one, How to handle every day operations, who should do what, by what name they should be addressed by, how much a Pastor is paid, who should the church help, how to know error and wolfs, and how to handle them all
The Bible is very clear, christians are to be of one Spirit. Christians are to be like minded. Christians are tought by the Spirit along with the elder more mature christian. Christians were not allowed to bring mans doctrine into the church. the Bible is clear on how to handle such things, no change in ways, your out Hence, Denominations
Thanks Neil, I think I am on board with what you are saying.
On the terminology,
Neil wrote: The UK seems to be a nominal monarchy & a functional republic.
Perhaps. I would describe it as a real, i.e. constitutional, monarchy, but agree that it does seem to share the key functionlity of your preferred system.
The so-called "divine rights of kings" was rejected on specifically biblical grounds in the 1640's and in 1688 as you know. This was a century or so before what we might call the 'fad-driven' republics came along in the colonies and continent.
Fair question. From 1 Sam. 8, I conclude that while God tolerates & even honors other forms of gov't if they honor Him, pre-monarchy Israel & NT churches (1 Cor 6, 1 Tim 3) were ruled by men collectively deemed as fit representatives, which seems republican to me. Hence I conclude that if it is up to Christians to choose a political system, this is preferable.
The UK seems to be a nominal monarchy & a functional republic.
I'm undecided, but least convinced of pretrib premill.
Ah, Neil, at the end of the 1,000 year reign (Millennium) there is going to be a rebellion among those who did chafe under Christ's rule, and with no help from Satan either!
I know there is more than one view point on the Millennium, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=82603103047]]]Three Viewpoints on Millennialism[/URL], and I would suppose that you are an Amillenialist?
Actually, Gil, has nothing to say bad about the congregational mode. However, the elder system is the biblical one. You should have noticed what has happened to the United Church of Christ or the United Methodist Church, both based on "democratic" principles.
part of JFB Commentary wrote: Titus 1:5: For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that were wanting, and appoint elders in every city, as I gave thee charge; ======== as I . . . appointed thee‚ÄĒthat is, as I directed thee; prescribing as well the act of constituting elders, as also the manner of doing so, which latter includes the qualifications required in a presbyter presently stated....
When Christ returns you're going to see a dictatorship that many will chaff under. Anyway, Neil, no matter what the church structure it is made up of imperfect human beings and all human institutions deteriorate, just that biblically based ones take longer. Well, I don't think I've forced anyone to read the articles I referred to, but if you feel compelled do, please do!
Jim, please don't make me listen to Gil Rugh to find out how it's "worse than that." I already know that many churches are in the entertainment, not edification, business. These are often identified by their repulsive, blasphemous "witty" marquees, making light of eternal matters.
But it's worse in this sense: with the complicity of congregations, perhaps most churches are run like dictatorships, not republics, which is the Scriptural model for governance. Who knows; you might have even seen this firsthand!
Neil wrote: Some churches may not support candidates, but they do stump for ballot propositions. Is this any more appropriate? It's like giving a person food, instead of teaching him how to feed himself.
It is even worse than that, Neil, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?sermonID=10505121650]]]The Church and Social Responsibility[/URL] and [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?currSection=sermonssource&sermonID=11005171618]]]The Believer and Politics[/URL]. Unfortunately, Olsteen is in the entertainment business, and Christianity is of less than secondary importance. I don't think you will ever hear from Olsteen, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=8110494152]]]God Hates Sin, Hates Sinners[/URL]. Like Schuller, q.v., [URL=http://www.ihcc.org/images/booklets/pdf/L123.pdf]]]A Different Gospel: An Evaluation of the Teachings of Robert Schuller[/URL] is the word "sin" even mentioned?
Ive been to lakewood church many times,politicians are allowed to come and sometimes praise god from the pulpit,But when there people pass around sheets with the names of politicians to vote for, this always seemed to me a underhanded way to solicit votes done with the churches approval
Joel Osteen also has a strict policy of not allowing the apostles' teachings to be taught in his church, because this son of "Diotrephes" like his father loves to have the preeminence among them.
"Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words; and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church." 3 Jn 10
Joel Osteen, best-selling author and pastor of the 47,000-member Lakewood Church in Houston, has a strict policy of not allowing any politician or government office holder to speak in his church about politics ???
. That's not the only "Strict Policy" Osteen has ------- it seems he has a "Strict Policy" of the pervertion of GOD'S WORD --- he says THE LORD TOLD him to preach an uplifting message --- SORRY Osteen, but that wasn't GOD telling you to forgo THE WHOLE COUNSEL OF HIS WORD !!!
Osteen just like so many in pulpits today desperately need to go back to BIBLE 101...
2 Timothy 4: 1) I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2) Preach THE WORD; be instant in season, out of season; REPROVE, REBUKE, EXHORT with all longsuffering and DOCTRINE.
3) For the time will come when they will not endur SOUND DOCTRINE; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
We are there folks --- and have been for quite some time !!!
Look back at Verse #2 --- GOD didn't tell Osteen to ignore THE WHOLE TRUTH !!!
Some have Eyes to SEE and Ears to HEAR, but others... (???)
AntiVaticanistAmerican wrote: Please give Opra Winfrey a call. As she now has time to help you by extricating you from the Satanic-Vaticanist/Roman-"Catholic"-Cultic bondage you are under: and to support Barack Obama for President of The United States of America !
Your kingdom is divided against itself. I hope you have your "kurta", "jilbab", and "hijab" ready for a camel ride. Try not to let the sand get in your eyes.
There is more to knowing the truth than being anti-RCC. The "false prophet" is as much an enemy of the truth as the "anti-christ". Rev. 16:14