VENTURA, CAâ€“ Pentecostal or charismatic Christianity is viewed by some Americans as an emotional, theologically suspect form of the Christian faith. It is widely thought to be a very vocal and visible, but numerically small slice of the grand religious pie in the United States. Two new surveys from The Barna Group, however, indicate that things are changing dramatically in the religious landscape. Those surveys â€“ one among a national sample of adults and the other among a national sample of Protestant pastors - show that the number of churches and adherents to Pentecostal perspectives and practices has grown significantly in the past two decades.
A decade ago, three out of ten adults claimed to be charismatic or Pentecostal Christians. Today, 36% of Americans accept that designation. That corresponds to approximately 80 million adults. (For the Barna survey, this included people who said they were...
1) The following are the proves that angels could perform miracles healing and there are falling angels in the Scripture to be against God too:
John 5:3-4, â€śIn these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water. For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.â€ť
Holy Laughter, holy bark, holy drunkard and etc. are not found in the book of Acts during the Pentecost. Some Charismatic churches might use the word, leap, laugh, drunkard and etc. from the Old and New Testaments to support these movements. However, bear in mind that the word, leap, laugh, drunkard and etc. are mentioned instead of the full phrase of holy laughter, holy bark and etc. What if these practices are not from the work of the Holy Spirit, the insisting that these practices are from the work of Holy Spirit has caused one to abuse the name of the Holy Spirit and it would have grieved the Holy Spirit to accept the wrong saying that these are the work of them. However, the Holy Spirit does not do it. One has indeed blaspheme against the Holy Spirit by abusing the name of the Holy Spirit despite he does not do it. The blasphemy against the Holy Spirit cannot be forgivable according to the New Testament.
John Yurich wrote: There is nothing wrong with Charismatic Christianity because Charismatics have been Baptized in the Holy Spirit.
What makes it true that the Charismatics "have been baptized in the Holy Spirit" . . . because they say so? Charismatics add to the objective word of God with their "direct revelation from God". (Rev. 22:18-19)
If you are interested in learning the truth about Charismania, please consider the two following essays:
Mr J. says,"Angels are spirit beings. They do not have tongues."
May I ask?
How do angels communicate with one another and with God Our Father?
'If' angels speak in heaven, would that not be a heavenly language?
If the earthly and imperfect Greek language has 7 words for love. That's 7 times more than English. Would it be unreasonable to assume that an angelic, heavenly language might have 8 words or more to better define the idea of what we express as... L.O.V.E.?
'If' Our Heavenly Father was to gift His children with the ability to edify their own spirit, wouldn't be good to equip them with a heavenly vocabulary?
I'm confident that some earthly, perhaps all earthly languages are incapable of transmitting the deepest thoughts of the Holy Spirit.
This is to say nothing of groaning in the Holy Spirit.
Isn't this all beyond our humane plain? It is after all spiritual. 'If' we allow for that...then I think it is appropriate to rethink Joel's promise quoted by Peter on Penticost.
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Matthew Henry's Bible commentary on 1 Cor. CH14 explains what the Apostle Paul said about speaking in an unknown tongue.
"Prophecy preferred to the gift of tongues. (1-5) The unprofitableness of speaking in unknown languages. (6-14) Exhortations to worship that can be understood. (15-25) Disorders from vain display of gifts; (26-33) and from women speaking in the church. (34-40)
Verses 1-5 Prophesying, that is, explaining Scripture, is compared with speaking with tongues. This drew attention, more than the plain interpretation of Scripture; it gratified pride more, but promoted the purposes of Christian charity less; it would not equally do good to the souls of men. What cannot be understood, never can edify. No advantage can be reaped from the most excellent discourses, if delivered in language such as the hearers cannot speak or understand. Every ability or possession is valuable in proportion to its usefulness. Even fervent, spiritual affection must be governed by the exercise of the understanding, else men will disgrace the truths they profess to promote."
A complete exposition on this chapter can be read at: http://eword.gospelcom.net/comments/1corinthians/mhc/1corinthians14.htm
Carl Gayle wrote: (Part 2) Either way, all I say to Christians who do not believe in it or dismiss it for whatever reason; I say â€śbe careful with what you say lest you blaspheme the Holy Spiritâ€ť. If you say its â€śnon-sensical and superfluousâ€ť then it is not from God, and if it is not from God then who else is left? Iâ€™m not youâ€™ve actually donâ€™t it but Iâ€™m saying be careful, that I say out of love. But if your 100% sure then thereâ€™s not much i can say.
If it is not from God, there are two other origins. One is demonic - which is certainly a possibility considering that many religions outside Christianity have ecstatic utterances. The other is human - meaning people go into an ecstatic state either in a self-induced way or in an artificial way. Many linguistic tests have been done on those speaking in tongues which all came to the same conclusion - whatever it is, it is not a language.
Either way, all I say to Christians who do not believe in it or dismiss it for whatever reason; I say â€śbe careful with what you say lest you blaspheme the Holy Spiritâ€ť. If you say its â€śnon-sensical and superfluousâ€ť then it is not from God, and if it is not from God then who else is left? Iâ€™m not youâ€™ve actually donâ€™t it but Iâ€™m saying be careful, that I say out of love. But if your 100% sure then thereâ€™s not much i can say.
Carl Gayle wrote: Does the bible teach that NOT all tongues are in an earthly Language but some in a heavenly or angelic language? Iâ€™m sure it does but I seem to be the only one who can see it.
There is only one text where this is hinted at and that text is a preview to Paul's well-known poem of love in I Cor 13. But you need to see Paul is speaking hyperbolically here, when he refers to the tonges of men and of angels. Angels are spirit beings. They do not have tongues. When they converse with people, they speak the language of those people. The whole concept of a 'heavenly prayer language' is non-sensical and superfluous. God is never superfluous. He understands English quite well. He does not need to miraculously give you a private prayer language so you can have a deeper relationship with Him. If you want to have that and be filled with the Spirit then "Let the Word of Christ dwell in you richly" (comp Eph 5:18,19 with Col 3:16).
Does the bible teach that NOT all tongues are in an earthly Language but some in a heavenly or angelic language? Iâ€™m sure it does but I seem to be the only one who can see it.
If this is of God it is God you are warring against and you may not find that out until the day of judgement. Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is another issue.
From what Iâ€™ve personally seen some Churches are spirit filled and some are not, even though God is present at both.
Remember all these titles and denomination names are man made, though some link charismaticâ€™s to the RCC we can equally observe that other denominations will say the same of you with a valid point from their point of view.
Well Brothers and Sisters, it disappoints me to see hatred or dislike for Christians who seek a deeper relationship with God but I blame no one. I wish you all the best of luck and going by what many have been saying about the likes of me I think you should all pray for me and though I may not be considered worthy by some I will pray for all of you too as we should.
The question should be: "How Long Has American Christianity Been Charismatic?"
It is interesting to note the inverse correlation between the decline in American morality with the increase in American "Charismania". What has all of their "gospel preaching" done for and to the nation?
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Yep, there are errors in both non charismatic and charismatic. Many of these preachers have integrity and others not and again whether charismatic or not. It is not my duty to say all of the charismatic experiences are false.
Wayne M.wrote[QUOTE]Many have fallen into the errors of the charismatic movement. They claim they are speaking in tongues, but tongues in Acts 2 was an earthly language which could be understood.[/QUOTE]I have listened to some of John Greer's sermons too.
Well yes, many have fallen into error. Both charismatic and non-charismatic Christians fall into error.
Acts 2, the disciples spoke in earthly languages.. Yes of course, the Bible says so.
On other occasions disciples spoke in unknown tongues as The Spirit gave the utterance... Yes of course, The Bible says so.
So who can rightly say, "That which The Holy gives is bad and leads his own to fall into error?" Or who can rightly say, "The gifts are not needed." If God commands His Own to receive Him fully and with Him, His charisms who are we to say, "No!"
Charlie Miller wrote: I did listen to: http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=12240114484 Rev. Ian Goligher Why We Are Not Charismatics! But as I listened to Goligher I kept thinking... If all good things come from above, and if the charisms come from above isn't it wrong to preach against charisms? Really, if gifts from God, are offered to those of His then isn't it somewhat of an insult to The Giver to decline His offer? He hasn't reneged on His promise. Please give this a listen. http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=9280215524 Who Is the Holy Spirit and How Can We Know Him? A.W. Tozer
Rev. John Greer has some excellent messages on Sermon audio. Just go to sermons by speaker on the left side here and find Rev. John Greer. You will find much sound biblical preaching on the subject.
Many have fallen into the errors of the charismatic movement. They claim they are speaking in tongues, but tongues in Acts 2 was an earthly language which could be understood.
CMT wrote: Charismania is mainly a result of feminism. As one preacher recently said, if you took women out of the movement it would disappear. The Charismatic Movement is basically the religion that comes from a matriarchal society. And that's what America basically is now and has been for some time.
Who do you think is behind this but one of the largest and most powerful matriarchal societies in the world? What society is it that worships Mary as a mediator to God? What society is it that has elevated her birth to an immaculate conception? What society is it that has used this doctrine to assist one of the most ancient tyrannical governments of the world to persist? The Roman Empire did not die my friend, it just manifested a different form. "Charismania" is one of its strongest provinces out of many. It is the "Little Big Horn".