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FRIDAY, NOV 30, 2007  |  15 comments
MSU removes Christmas tree after complaint from one Jewish professor

SPRINGFIELD -- A Missouri State University department head took down a 20-foot Christmas tree (not the one in the photo) after a diversity official reported a complaint that it was insensitive to other religions. As a result, MSU officials are meeting Friday to discuss appropriate holiday decorations.

The 20-foot artificial tree was taken down Monday. The co-chair of the president's diversity commission said a Jewish faculty member complained the tree showed "a lack of sensitivity" to those of other religions.

Another university official said courts have ruled Christmas trees are secular symbols if they do not bear religious decorations. The department head who put the tree up said she didn't use any religious symbols on it. ...

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News Item12/4/07 7:41 PM
AntiVaticanistAmerican | U.S.A.  Find all comments by AntiVaticanistAmerican
I guess that Jewish professor is reminded of The Authorized-Biblical Literal Curse that is Associated With "Trees"; and those who are hung on them (Trees) [And/or Those who deliver Innocent Victims to be Hung/Crucified Upon Trees]:

"Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a TREE:"

Galatians 3:13

"His body shall not remain all night upon the TREE, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged [upon a TREE] is accursed of God that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance."

Deuteronomy 21:23


News Item12/1/07 1:34 PM
Barb | Ann Arbor,MI  Contact via emailFind all comments by Barb
Jhawk44 wrote:
Question GK: did the Bible explicitly command you to get internet, get on this site and tell us Christmas Trees are a pagan ritual?

Neither is coming together on Sunday in a church.
But where does the Bible condem creation of customs? Not any place I canrecall, unless you want too take the typical "one verse totally out of context" to support your argument.

The Bible does not tell us to celebrate Christmas nor does it tell us not to but there are many instances in which pagan customs and traditions of man took place & they thought would be pleasing to God(hence "they thought") these were rejected by God himself and there were consequences. I think it's a matter of conscience here and I personally no longer celebrate after examining the scriptures. These facts should be taught in churches and sadly most churches will not teach it. (for study see: 1 Kings 12 regarding Jeroboam,Matt 28:20 "teach all things I have commanded you" We often hear the argument where did Christ say not to celebrate it? I ask where did he say to celebrate? It comes down to man's desires/God's commands. We must always go back to scripture and not man's opinion.
A great sermon series:

News Item12/1/07 9:53 AM
Tony Borrelli | Suburban Philadelphia  Find all comments by Tony Borrelli
This is indeed one of the few forums in religious academia where a story of yet another Jew attacking his idea of Christianity (accurate or not is not the issue, but rather his intent) can be turned into a battle between Catholics and Protestants. In another 24 hours the Protestants will be divided according to Baptism, Eschatology, Calvinist vs Arminian hermaneutics, and types of worship music. In 48 hours someone will introduce the Islamic attack. In the meanwhile, the fact that Jews continue to attack anything they remotely believe to be Christian will be ignored. If the Jews who hate Christ so much were as smart as they think they are, they would just sit back and let those who believe themselves to be Christians just continue to attack each other.

News Item12/1/07 7:30 AM
terry evans | miramar beach fl  Contact via emailFind all comments by terry evans
Lance Eccles wrote:
Who is "us"? Protestants?

thats me, are you

The reality is, I believe it, but I don't believe it necessarily literally true in every single respect," said former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who is Catholic.

Vote Ron Paul
Merry Christmas


News Item12/1/07 1:17 AM
Lance Eccles | Goulburn NSW  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lance Eccles
terry evans wrote:
Well I think they stole the Word Christ
from us also
Who is "us"? Protestants?

News Item12/1/07 1:16 AM
Abigail | Oregon  Contact via emailFind all comments by Abigail
All liars shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone which is the second death. Rev 21:8

Teaching children about Santa Claus is a lie. He is given the attributes of God. He is omnipresent (everywhere at once), omniscient (all knowing—knows if you have been good or bad), supernatural (flys through the air with his sleigh and reindeer), and invisible. He supernaturally slides down the chimney leaving presents for all the boys and girls and back up again without ever being seen. And he is called a "saint".

Santa Claus is an idol for children—Christmas means Santa Claus with gifts. They love Santa Claus more than they love Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is a sideshow.

The merchants get rich off Christmas shoppers. The whole Christmas spirit is a spirit of greed and covetousness. The decorations are expensive and pagan. People fool themselves into thinking they are celebrating the birth of Christ, when, in fact, they are slaves to a social custom that has them bound in the folly and foolishness of the world. God and Jesus Christ are not honored in Christmas tradition.

2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

In the love of Jesus Christ with


News Item11/30/07 11:25 PM
terry evans | miramar beach fl  Contact via emailFind all comments by terry evans
Colossians 2:20-22 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain

20Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

21(Touch not; taste not; handle not;

22Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men

edit: the happy face, I did not add,
SA program picked up the punctuation from the copy pretty cool

Merry Christmas, Jesus is Lord


News Item11/30/07 10:44 PM
kenny  Find all comments by kenny
Jhawk44 wrote:

"But where does the Bible condem creation of customs?"

I cannot think of a specific case where Scripture condemns the creation of customs in general but I think it would be wise to search out the origins of 'religious' customs that are observed. The origin of many of the customs observed in the name of celebrating the birth of Christ are indeed pagan in the first degree. I prefer to err on the side of caution.

As I've said before, I buy a few folks presents and I love family get togethers at this time of year but I no longer bring a tree into my home and decorate it. Also, if you listen the seasonal carols, most of them are filled with doctrinal error. I never told my kids the Santa Claus nonsense, either.


News Item11/30/07 10:05 PM
Jhawk44  Find all comments by Jhawk44
Question GK: did the Bible explicitly command you to get internet, get on this site and tell us Christmas Trees are a pagan ritual?

Dr Roger Clark wrote:
A "Christmas Tree" isn´t a christian custom anyway, - nor is "Christmas" come to that
Neither is coming together on Sunday in a church.

But where does the Bible condem creation of customs? Not any place I canrecall, unless you want too take the typical "one verse totally out of context" to support your argument.


News Item11/30/07 7:48 PM
terry evans | miramar beach fl  Contact via emailFind all comments by terry evans
GK wrote:
considerthe nature of the word "Christmas"...
I agree with the occult origns of most, if not all holidays( holy days) and the tree stuff, I had commented this same thing, although worded different, about
the church, caroling, although a small part of the tradition I think the same
Yes Christmas, the word may come from
Christ-Mass, but then the Roman Catholic
Institution calls itself the church,
should christians not use that word (church) either, or is your point here that they stole the name from christians
Well I think they stole the Word Christ
from us also, and its time for Gods people to take them both back.
True, the Bible does not command to
observe the Birth, in so many words anyway, God sent invitations if you will by the Angels to the sheppards,
Does the Bible command to observe any
births, marriages, deaths, not sure.
But we do, don't by your wife a gift a year after your married, or anytime.
Or your childs birthday, your fathers.
I guess my question is why should I not
have the Joy in my heart of my Lord, and Saviours Birth, dec 25? He was born
Luke 2-11, Christmas causes a brief
breather for christians
Its ok either way, I think

How the grinch stole Christmas
great movie,- meaning


News Item11/30/07 6:46 PM
GK  Find all comments by GK
considerthe nature of the word "Christmas" itself,when broken down into its constituent parts.....Christ Mass.The Roman Catholic institution taking on the celebrations of paganism and declaring them to be "Christian".

Nowhere in the word are we commanded to observe the birth of Jesus.....

as for Martin Luther-pure unproven,and indeed unprovable,myth.

Alexander Hislop in The Two Babylons,

"The Christmas tree, now so common among us, was equally common in Pagan Rome and Pagan Egypt. In Egypt that tree was the palm tree; in Rome it was the fir (page 97).

Tree worship was very common among the ancients. Says Festivals, Holy Days, and Saints' Days,

"The Christmas tree . . . recapitulates the idea of tree worship. . . gilded nuts and balls symbolizing the sun . . . all the festivities of the [heathen] winter solstice have been absorbed into Christmas Day . . . the use of holly and mistletoe to the Druidic ceremonies; the Christmas tree to the honours paid to Odin's sacred fir . . ." (p.236).


News Item11/30/07 1:14 PM
GG  Find all comments by GG
Funny...I don't turn red in the face when I'm alone. Any that book that you say that I'm forbidden to read. Does it say 'H-o-l-y B-i-B-l-E' on the front? Ok...I quit reading it...immediately. So...genius! Did Luther give us the CT or or not? Have Anglicans, Lutherans, Methodists, etc. not celebrated Christmas for at least 100-400 years? Straighten me out about this Genius!

News Item11/30/07 11:57 AM
albert | Northern Ireland  Find all comments by albert
Yit again you show your ignorence,even about a christmas tree and why it is used by "people",and brought into their homes over winter(thats a clue for you).
Your an embarrasment to your self,coming on here to claim a pagan rite as something to do with our LORD JESUS CHRIST,just like you believe in three wise men meeting JESUS in a stable in Jerusalem!
And as for all those"protestant churches",who are just like the papish church,if you care to read the scriptures you will read about"false prophets,heretics,even the devil coming as ministers of righteousness(popes)",but then again,your not allowed to study the bible. noe don't make me come back and prove you a liar on that subject from romes own writings

But Sure
Thats Why "ye must be born again"


News Item11/30/07 9:19 AM
GG  Find all comments by GG
The 'Christmas Tree' was reportly given to us by Martin Luther. A Christian, at least according to most Lutherans. And Christmas has been celebrated by Catholics, Greek O, Anglicans, Lutherans, and all Christians of any importance. The Puritans and their ilk, always afraid that someone was have fun, hated do their theological descendents to their discredit.

News Item11/30/07 4:30 AM
Dr Roger Clark | Germany  Find all comments by Dr Roger Clark
A "Christmas Tree" isn´t a christian custom anyway, - nor is "Christmas" come to that - so why not just call it a "Compliments of the Season Tree" ?

A "Secular Society" should have no difficulty making that - trouble saving - decision.

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