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FRONT PAGE  |  10/18/2019
WEDNESDAY, JUN 20, 2007  |  48 comments
Baptist Megachurch Makes History Electing Woman to Pulpit
Julie Pennington-Russell was voted on Sunday to become senior pastor of an Atlanta-area megachurch. The historic decision that went without dispute makes the congregation the largest church of Southern Baptist heritage to be led by a woman.

"Without a doubt, this is a major development," commented the Rev. R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary and one of America's pre-eminent Evangelical leaders, in a blog post when initial reports about Pennington-Russell's near-confirmation as head of First Baptist Church of Decatur, Ga., came out.

In a closed session on Sunday after morning worship, some 500 members elected the married mother of two to lead the nearly 2,700-member church, according to The Waco Tribune-Herald. Only five hands of dissent were visible at most, said First Baptist's interim pastor, Dock Hollingsworth. ...

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News Item7/8/07 3:28 PM
Roger | Paterson  Find all comments by Roger
The Bible is very clear that a woman should not be a pastor. Scripture clearly teaches that a "woman is to remain silent" re: in the church. Man is the head of the woman. Jesus called men as His disciples. Another Scripture " women are not to have authority over men,etc. and on and on the Scriptures go. Woman may teach Sunday school to the children, they should "teach the younger women" about the Lord, etc, how to be Godly mothers and wives, etc. Again, the Bible is very clear on this matter. Women have gifts that many men don't have and therefore they should use those gifts, but, obviously not in the puplit.

News Item7/5/07 7:19 PM
Yamil Luciano | Las. Vegas NV  Find all comments by Yamil Luciano
Whatever man God wills for you to marry, that is whom you have to submit. If you can't submit to him, then do not marry him.

It's quite silly to justify one sin by pointing to another sin.


News Item7/5/07 6:25 PM
laurie | illinois  Find all comments by laurie
Cindy, I'm not sure what your complaint is with my previous comment. I quoted the Apostle Paul's command on women in the church, and he was teaching as God's Holy Spirit inspired him to do so. I think you are questioning the Apostle Paul's authority, again, ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God!!! Women are to remain quiet in the church service{this can be found in 1st Cor.} I believe women struggle with submission more than men because, as the bible says in Genesis-your desire shall be for your husband and he shall rule over you. Women by nature want to run the show! God's word is the final authority!!

News Item7/4/07 10:46 AM
cindy | northwestern PA  Find all comments by cindy
Yes and that is why I am never getting married because too many men in my life have totally abused their so-called authority and their choices have greatly affected me for the worse.

I would rather make the Lord Jesus my husband so to speak because I trust him. I do not trust human flesh. Years ago in my early 20's I had a couple Christian men who wanted me to marry me. I however did not believe to be led by the Spirit to marry these particular men and because I would not "obey" or "submit", they tried to manipulate me into marrying them by using guilt tactics and when that didn't work because they grossly slandered my character.

A man is not to be harsh or forceful and rule with cruelty.......he is not a true shepherd......for that is what a pastor and a husband is.


News Item7/4/07 10:01 AM
Discerning Believer  Find all comments by Discerning Believer
In the home, the husband may not always be right. He may make the wrong choice in certain matters. He is the one held accountable before God for his actions and leadership in the home.

The wife is commanded by the word of God to suubmit in all things to her husband, whether he is right or wrong. She will be held accountable for her submission as well to her husband. If the husband asked her to do something immorally or legally wrong, then her first prioriy is to obey God over her husband. God will bless an obedient wife who reverently submits to her husband's authority.

Most of these women if not all of them are self ordained and self appointed preachers. They were never called of God to pastor New Testament churches because it violates God's requirements.


News Item7/4/07 9:46 AM
JD  Find all comments by JD
"Anyone should correct and rebuke a brother or sister caught up in sin, but women are not allowed to serve over men in the ministry."

.... or in the home!

Tit 2:1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine: 2 That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience. 3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; 4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

It would not a bad thing to change the phrase in the marriage vow of the woman back to what it used to be in a saner society, IMO. "To trust, honor, and OBEY"!
That is scriptural!


News Item7/4/07 9:24 AM
cindy | northwestern PA  Find all comments by cindy

I wonder if you ever question in your mind if the male leadership in your church is always right? Do you just go along with whatever is being said without first subjecting all things to scripture like the Bereans did?

There are many men in evangelicalism in leadership who I simply would never submit to, nor would I ever follow. There is such a thing as wisdom and discernment and we are to seek it continually so that we ourselves are not led astray by them.

For example there are some prominent Christian Pastors all over American and others not quite as prominent who are emergent and ecumenical and even take scripture to an extreme or take it out of balance, to those men I do not follow nor do I submit. However to those Christian Leaders and pastors who are true to scripture and actually do what it says, those are the ones I will gladly submit to in reverence to Christ........for they are the glory of God's image (as the woman is the glory of man's image...that's God's created order). And I know no one is perfect, nevertheless, there should be a general disposition in obeying God in doctrine and practice (see Ezekiel 34:1-6 and I Peter 5:1-4).

I do not think any woman in her rightful mind would submit to any man who abuses his authority.


News Item7/3/07 11:48 PM
laurie | illinois  Contact via emailFind all comments by laurie
Women and men are to proclaim the gospel fearlessly, everyone who truly belongs to Christ is to evangelize the lost. However,
scripture is very clear that women are not to be in the pulpit, deacons, or elders in the church. The Apostle Paul says in 1st Timothy 2:12-"I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence." Verse 13-"For Adam was formed first, then Eve." Anyone should correct and rebuke a brother or sister caught up in sin, but women are not allowed to serve over men in the ministry.

News Item7/3/07 1:32 AM
cindy | northwestern PA  Find all comments by cindy
There is apostasy everywhere including our MALE leaders who compromise with Rome and many other false religions in an attempt to "build bridges". They have failed to uphold the Truth and continually justify their disobedience to God's Word in II John 10 and 11. So as we see clearly this is a problem with both MEN and WOMEN.

Man (and that includes the human race, not the gender specific) is by nature deceitful and fickle. That is why the Bible specifically admonishes (warns) us over and over NOT to trust people, but Him only.

Therefore I hold dear to my heart a scripture:

I John 2:27........... "But the anointing which ye have received of Him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you; but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in Him".

Women are not to usurp a man's authority in the physical pulpit, i.e. the church building, however that does not mean that women are never to speak, obviously that is out of balan.......that scipture does not suggest that women are without intellectual capacity or that they can not participate in church through some ministry. We are all called ( those of us who are truly regenerate ) to be salt and light, we are all called to preach the


News Item7/2/07 11:58 PM
Laurie | Illinois  Contact via emailFind all comments by Laurie
This isn't shocking, considering the bible warns of apostasy in the end times. Denomination is irrelevant, we are to serve the risen Christ, not the sbc, pentecostal, methodists, or ANY other denomination. There isn't a corner on the globe where sin hasn't infiltrated and saturated society. Remember the words of our Lord, "When you see these things begin to take place, look up, for your redemption draws near. Let's not 'judge' a denomination, let us pray fervently for the return of Christ!!

News Item7/2/07 1:16 AM
Wayne M. | BC, Canada  Find all comments by Wayne M.

Thank you dear brother. Just wanted to clarify the Pastor speaking at the celebration was from a Reformed church down the road, but I myself actually attend the Lutheran church. The gathering was on the church grounds beside the historic church under the care of the Museum Society. It was built in 1910 by the Anglican church, has a nice steeple, and we have the honour of being able to use it every Sunday for the Lutheran service. They even ring the bell before the service starts. It is a blessing. Blessings to you and yours as well.


News Item7/2/07 1:08 AM
Lurker | USA  Find all comments by Lurker
Hi Wayne,

Sounds like a very pleasant Lord's Day in your village and an appropriate way for your congregation to honor the community, your nation and God at the same time. I, too, trust His Word shall not return to Him void.

Blessings to you and yours as you seek His purpose in your lives.


News Item7/2/07 12:57 AM
Wayne M. | BC, Canada  Find all comments by Wayne M.

Good evening brother. I trust you had a good Sunday.

It was Canada Day here and the 100th anniversary of this small village. We had a good outside church service this afternoon at the 100th anniversary celebration with a young Reformed pastor preaching the gospel of the grace of God to the general public. Of course there were many non-believers present as it was a public outside gathering. Hopefully some heard the gospel and took it to heart. A good time was had by all.

It was a peaceful day on here as well as you know who was not present.

I will examine those verses Bro. Williams mentioned but I agree with what you are saying. God bless.


News Item7/2/07 12:23 AM
Bro. Williams | KY  Find all comments by Bro. Williams

I agree with you. That is why I adhere to "study to shew myself approved unto God".

I also agree that those verses will unlikely change your mind, for your are approaching them with a preconcieved opinions and notions.

But... my wish is that all would just take the passage as it stands. But... in the same sense, I wish my father would get saved... yet I cannot make anyone do something that they do not choose to do.

Also, just as cults can be built on one verse, a man can be strengthened on one verse, a man can be saved with one verse, a man can be reproved of sin with one verse, etc. I am not claiming this passage to be the Gospel, but I will adhere to it wholeheartedly as best I can. The same goes for the rest of scripture.

Wayne, I am sure you can concede that we will only be chasing our own tails to continue this discussion, but it is your call.


News Item7/2/07 12:19 AM
Lurker | USA  Find all comments by Lurker

I can assure you when you read Isaiah 28:9-13 it will tell you exactly the opposite of what Bro. Williams intimates it teaches in relation to the literal word upon word citation of 1 John 4:2 as is summarized in the following verse:

Is 29:21 That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.


News Item7/2/07 12:10 AM
Wayne M. | BC, Canada  Find all comments by Wayne M.
Bro. Williams,

I will read up on thoses verses, but it is highly unlikely they will add anything to your claim.
It is a crying shame that you can't seem to see it because otherwise I found you an interesting character on here. You must know cults can be built on the mis-interpretation of a single verse.

Abigail and a couple of others on here are a prime example of serious error in interpretation of one word, which results in falsely accusing me of living in sin. However, I'm not going to debate that again with them as we've been through it enough. The Lord knows the truth of the matter. I just mention it as an example to show you how common and easy it is to misinterpret a verse or one word and fall into serious error as a result.


News Item7/2/07 12:01 AM
Bro. Williams | KY  Find all comments by Bro. Williams
Wayne: I mean no ill in the section you quoted me on, just what I said, I thank you for making the confession.

You are right though, when you say, "your only change", for that is essentially what anyone who doesn't adhere to the literal application is doing, changing God's word.

When you state that "nobody else sees it that way" you only strengthen my stance. For one, the majority is almost always wrong. Two, I am a Baptist (not some SBC washup or Separate wannabe, but a true Heritage Baptist), my heritage is one of being a minority with many not "seeing it that way". And, that is okay, most of the world doesn't see things God's way. Most of the Chrisitans don't see things God's way.

Furthermore, you asked why the Bible doesn't specifically say what YOU want it to say. I would recommend reading Isa. 28:9-13, Heb. 4:12, 2 Pet. 3:15-16, etc. I would have gladly put those verses in here, but lack of space will not permit.

Beyond this, as is the case, at times some can recieve parts of the Bible while others will not. Examples are numerous, but such is the case in most of the walks of most Christians I know, the more they accepted God's word, the more they gleaned. Food for thought, pun intended.


News Item7/1/07 11:42 PM
Wayne M. | BC, Canada  Find all comments by Wayne M.
Bro. Williams,

"I do thank you for humoring me (and God!) by making the confession in the past."

I am not sure how to take that. I was not humoring or kidding. I do sincerely believe the words in that verse and meant it when I said it.

My only change is that I believe one can confess that verse if they so choose; but if they would rather, they can state the doctrine of Christ in their own or other words.

It depends how you read that verse. You take it to mean those exact words are what is what is required; but practically nobody else sees it that way. If it was meant to be taken that way, then why does it not say so?

Since it is such an important test, why does it not say something like: Every spirit that confesseth by saying THE FOLLOWING WORDS .... is of God? That would be clear, but it doesn't say that my friend.

Your interpretation lends itself to someone setting up a kind of cult and only those who speak the password are admitted into the fellowship as true believers. That's dangerous.


News Item7/1/07 11:34 PM
Bro. Williams | KY  Find all comments by Bro. Williams

Yes, it is devisive, as most things of doctrinal substance. You also right that the passage serves no useful purpose to most, for most do not adhere to the scriptures, especially in practice. To those of us who do though, it is a very useful passage in order to "try the spirits" as God commands us to do.

I do thank you for humoring me (and God!) by making the confession in the past.


News Item7/1/07 11:29 PM
Wayne M. | BC, Canada  Find all comments by Wayne M.
Bro. Williams,

Thank you. Yes I am sorry we cannot seem to find agreement on the point. You think I am in error and I think the converse. We will have to let it rest.

It is a shame because it is a divisive issue as you know. I wish you could see your interpretation serves no useful purpose. I wish you could accept that the verse is not meaning one must repeat the words in it, but one must be able to communicate the doctrine of Christ. That is what that and other verses teach.

I assume your interpretation is a cornerstone of the church you attend and you are under extreme pressure to interpret it that way. I would find another church.

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