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Choice News TUESDAY, JUN 19, 2007  |  22 comments
Isaac Newton: End of the World Will Come After 2060
JERUSALEM (AP) -- Three-century-old manuscripts by Isaac Newton calculating the exact date of the apocalypse, detailing the precise dimensions of the ancient temple in Jerusalem and interpreting passages of the Bible -- exhibited this week for the first time -- lay bare the little-known religious intensity of a man many consider history's greatest scientist.

Newton, who died 280 years ago, is known for laying much of the groundwork for modern physics, astronomy, math and optics. But in a new Jerusalem exhibit, he appears as a scholar of deep faith who also found time to write on Jewish law -- even penning a few phrases in careful Hebrew letters -- and combing the Old Testament's Book of Daniel for clues about the world's end.

The documents, purchased by a Jewish scholar at a Sotheby's auction in London in 1936, have been kept in safes at Israel's national library in Jerusalem since 1969. ...


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News Item6/25/07 12:24 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim, thanks, but no thanks; I already have Dispy writings. That's why I'm skeptical!

That Thos. Ice article speaks in sweeping generalities about interpretive disputes, which isn't very helpful. Neither is this subtle piece of ungracious insinuation: "Perhaps some of the critics of the consistently literal hermeneutic ... are bothered by the certainty they see among older dispensational brethren because of the impact upon their hermeneutical pre-understanding that our modern culture represents"

Another form of the irrelevant Dispy accusation that their critics are unwitting Modernist dupes.

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News Item6/24/07 4:46 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Of course, Neil, the Bible has metaphors, hyperboles, and that sort of thing in it.

This is why one should read "Dispensational Hermaneutics"

What "literalism" is, is overviewed in the above article.

http://www.pre-trib.org/pdf/Ice-DispensationalHermene.pdf

Many Jews believed/believe in a Messiah, just that many misidentify who He is.

for example, "Chabad's '614th mitzva'"

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1181813065556

I would say that the Old Testament is very clear that is a Jewish Messiah, and He is Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified, died, and raised 2,000 years ago.

I would suggest people pick up a copy of Roy B. Zuck's "Basic Bible Interpretation," to see the sensible approach to Biblical interpretation.

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News Item6/21/07 3:30 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
"[Rugh] just follows a literal interpretation of the Bible"

How *many* times, ad nauseum, have I heard this misleading Dispy claim, both in writing & on this site! It's not that simple - all schools have to "spiritualize" certain verses in order for their eschatology to be Biblically consistent. The $50 question is, where is it exegetically warranted? A little humility on this point would go long way.

1st-cent. Jews understood OT Messianic prophecies according to the same principles promoted by Dispies. What came of that?

"The Book of Revelation is not allegorical"

But neither is it wholly literal.

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News Item6/21/07 2:42 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I would suggest you read the article, Neil, by Greg Rugh on eschatology. He just follows a literal interpretation of the Bible. The Book of Revelation is not allegorical. Tellurian, the Anabaptists followed the original Church model. There were no infant baptisms in the original Church, q.v.,

http://www.ihcc.org/pdf_view.php?pdf=L112

I think, Neil, that most Anabaptists believe in the Trinity. Newton in effect was a Unitarian. I think most of us would seriously doubt the Christianity of Unitarianism. Indian Hills Community Church can be described as a premillennal, Anabaptist, Calvinistic church. This of course makes us an independent Baptist organization. Tellurian, I don't bring this up too often so as not to overly offend our Reformed Church friends, but this was written by an Indian Hills pastor,

http://www.biblebb.com/files/GOODCHURCH.HTM

Anyway, this is about how to interpret the Bible,

http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?sermonID=92206122515

"....There are certain principles that can be applied that will allow us to rightly divide the Word and understand what God has said, and what He meant when He inspired the men who wrote it down. The basic rules of interpretation discussed follow the literal, grammatical, historical hermeneutic

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News Item6/21/07 11:42 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Daniel^2: by "we" Jim was referring to himself & his compatriots, not me. I don't think Jim's a real Anabaptist, but he doesn't believe me. Anabaptists are generally 5-point Arminian pietists, whereas Jim's church (IHCC) isn't.

I'm a Ref. Baptist by conviction.

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News Item6/21/07 11:19 AM
anonymous  Find all comments by anonymous
Hey Tony--
If you don't like the Alexandrine tradition are you a Nestorian?
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News Item6/20/07 11:32 PM
Daniel Daniel  Find all comments by Daniel Daniel
Jim and Neil Anabaptists? If so, please explain.

I thought Neil is of the reformed camp and Jim gathers with the non-denomination denomination?

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News Item6/20/07 3:14 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Either the RCC or Zurich's.

The term "anabaptist" implies they were at first paedobaptized. This disposes of their place in the alleged "Trail of Blood."

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News Item6/20/07 3:04 PM
Tellurian  Find all comments by Tellurian
Anabaptists were only invented in 1521, - So what church did they go to before then?
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News Item6/20/07 2:55 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
"I don't think we Anabaptists want to claim Newton!"

Why not? Think of the propaganda value. It only takes a little history twisting, & few will be the wiser...

"End times prophecy is clearly understood from the Bible"

...once you adopt an apriori hermeneutic devised by a commentator.

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News Item6/20/07 2:43 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Neil, I don't think we Anabaptists want to claim Newton!

End times prophecy is clearly understood from the Bible, q.v.,

http://www.ihcc.org/misc_pdf/eschatology.pdf

and,

Matthew
24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the
angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Acts 1
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

One is always be prepared because you never know when your own personal end times may occur.

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News Item6/20/07 2:27 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
"The Anabaptists are the only known body of Christians that have never symbolized with Rome"

Please cite a non-Baptist source for that perennial Newton quote. And it still doesn't prove he was Anabaptist; anyone can commend things done by people they disagree with.

Here's one of several sources asserting Newton's likely heterodoxy regarding the Trinity:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton's_religious_views

Note that Newton's interest in the Bible is not disputed, so I hardly think this article is necessarily prejudiced.

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News Item6/20/07 1:43 PM
AntiVaticanistAmerican | U.S.A..  Find all comments by AntiVaticanistAmerican
Sir Isaac Newton was NOT a closet "Arian" as some would suppose.

He was however an ardent, adament and academic Anti-Satanic-Vaticanist.

For he said, and I quote:

"The Anabaptists are the only known body of Christians that have never symbolized with Rome"-- Isaac Newton

I would say he was more of an Anabaptist and/or an Antipedobaptist; than an Unorthodox Arian-Alexandrian Inferior Greek-Manuscript Loving Satanic-Vaticanist & Roman "Catholic" Cultist.

*NOTE: And as for "The End of The World Coming After 2060" being "date-setting": THAT'S PURE RUBBISH !

"WHEN IT IS EVENING, YE SAY, IT WILL BE FAIR WEATHER: FOR THE SKY IS RED.

AND IN THE MORNING, IT WILL BE FOUL WEATHER TO DAY: FOR THE SKY IS RED AND LOWERING.

O YE HYPOCRITES, YE CAN DISCERN THE FACE OF THE SKY;

BUT CAN YE NOT DISCERN THE SIGNS OF THE TIMES ?"-- *THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.

*MATTHEW 16:2b,3.

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News Item6/20/07 1:24 PM
Abigail | Oregon  Find all comments by Abigail
"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?"(II Peter 3:10-12)

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away and there was no more sea." (Rev 21:1)

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News Item6/20/07 11:13 AM
Shawn | Denver  Find all comments by Shawn
Mike

The point is the destruction of the earth. What, do you think that God promised not to destroy the earth with a flood, but he will destroy it by fire? If so, then that is an inmoral promise. That's like someone promising never to slap someone in the face again, but instead will hit them on the head with a hammer.

Imagine God promising Noah "I'll never destroy the earth again by a flood....but I will burn all up with fire"..Ridiculous!

The flood is the context and it is the only thing Noah knows with regards to the destroying of the earth, that is why flood is used.

The text reads:
never again shall there be a flood to DESTROY THE EARTH.

The point is the destruction of the earth, not the flood.

Ecclesiastes1:4 A generation goes and a generation comes, But the earth remains forever.

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News Item6/19/07 8:30 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Shawn wrote:

"If the world ended and was physically destroyed, as some say, then that would make God a covenant breaker, for he promised noah never again to destroy the earth."

Not true, Shawn. God promised to never again destroy the earth by a flood:

Genesis 9:11
"And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth."

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News Item6/19/07 3:57 PM
Shawn | Denver  Find all comments by Shawn
Setting a date for the worlds end is absoulutely futile being THE WORLD IS NEVER GOING TO END.
This whole end of the world stuff does nothig but sell books, and make prophecy teachers money.

On the other hand, the true church has been singing the "gloria patria" for years which ends with these words:
"world without end...Amen, amen"

If the world ended and was physically destroyed, as some say, then that would make God a covenant breaker, for he promised noah never again to destroy the earth.

The kingdom of God will fill the whole earth, heaven and earth will be as one, the knowledge of God will fill the earth as the waters cover the seas, Jesus Christ will be all in all.

The promises of the gospel is the redemption of creation, not the destruction or ending of the world.

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News Item6/19/07 3:37 PM
Mark M. | Ga in USA  Contact via emailFind all comments by Mark M.
I'm with you John, the world ends for thousands of people every day. We are commanded to look for the signs and to pray for God's kingdom to come. Just don't get too much in to prophecey that you don't realize that for most of us the world will end before 2060.
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News Item6/19/07 3:37 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim, you don't need to scare us away from starting a Newtonian school of theology, esp. since he seemed to be a closet Arian, though outwardly Conformist.
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News Item6/19/07 3:08 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
While Newton had some good points, he believed in God, He also had some very weird ideas, such as a Bible code. "What is the code in Michael Drosnin's book, The Bible Code?"

http://www.johnankerberg.org/ankerberg-articles/Bible%20Code.html

Unfortunately, Ankerberg did not come right out and attack the idea of Bible codes!

The Bible is meant to be understood, and is not an esoteric book.

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