A new idea might have infiltrated Patrick Henry College in Purcellville April 12, but a small army of state and local law enforcement made sure no one from the Soulforce Equality Ride got on campus.
Soulforce, founded by evangelical Christian Mel White, a former speech writer to Pat Robertson and other prominent Christians, is touring Christian colleges to engage students in a dialogue. We are Christian and we're gay. They say those two things are not mutually exclusive.
Patrick Henry founder Michael Farris disagreed. He characterized the group as "an organization that rejects intellectually responsible dialogue, seeks to manipulate its targets, forces its views upon students and advances an activist agenda contrary to the truths laid out in Scripture."...
shush: I missed your comment. From an extremely reliable source I learned that you failed the confession. You therefore, according to God, have the spirit of antichrist and will be handled in such manner from this point forward.
Donnot accuse someone of being a bully, when ye thinketh scorn to be reformed, and a dissembling person destroyeth his neighbor? Solomon What is going on today is the fulfilling of scripture; ex, John 16:1-3 (W.T.N.T)¬∂ These things have I said unto you be cause ye should not be hurt in your faith. 2 They shall excommunicate you: yea the time shall come, that whosoever killeth you, will think that he doth God true service. 3 And such things will they do unto you, because they have not known the father neither yet me 21 A woman when she travaileth hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of her child she remembreth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world. 22 And ye now are in sorrow: but I will see you again, and your hearts shall rejoice, and your joy shall no man take from you.
Love one another, not as Cain which was of the wicked, who slew his brother, wherefor slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brothers good. Yet ye love the evil and hate the good? Love worketh no ill to his neighbor Amen to Jesus Christ no penalty for idoltary if you acknowledge the offense with tears. Turn your laughter into mourning and your joy to heavines Are you stubburn in heart to believe the prophets?
Eutychus: get a backbone! Should I have been more like Paul and my Lord? Should I have called him a fool? should i have called him a whited sepulchre? full of dead man's bones? hypocrite? guitly of part of a generation of vipers? should i have turned him over to satan? should i have said he was of his father the devil? should i have said he was a child of hell?
note: all these were spoken by either Paul or Christ... you are right, I should have used one of those. Yet, what kind of "man" has to report something? one that can't stand for himself and has been defeated.
and saying God has sexual attractions and feelings for mankind is something a sicko would say! check the previous posts!!!
btw, can you confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh? I John 4:2
Thank you for the prayers. I will indeed pray for you as well.
It's cool. I guess I've just never come accross a person who really felt it necessary to believe that the translation they have communicates fully, without any linguistic or cultural misunderstanding, everything contained in the scripture's original language. Probably every believer I know falls into the camp that believes God preserved his words in the original language but that translations can lose some of the meaning. Some of them even work as translators for other countries. They know the challenge of trying to be faithful to the Hebrew and Greek in Chinese let's say. That isn't an easy task and there is so much about the cultures of modern day China and ancient Israel that is different that going back to the original language is very necessary. Anyway, I'll look into it more if only to better understand your point of view.
Faithful Remnant, Well, good night and sweet dreams. Dream of Jesus. He is Mr. Right even for a heterosexual man! Thanks for being vulnerable. I appreciate your advice. I attend a really awesome church here in Colorado, and I am very involved with it. Actually, as far as my intimacy with God, it's as good as it ever has been since I became a Christian. Every day is sweeter with Him. I am being made into his image; a new creation. God bless.
Really? I don't recall asking for your advice on churches? Yes, I've already determined homosexuality to be a sin. But thanks for the concern.
The only churches that will accept practicing homosexuals and not call it a sin are those that have departed from the Bible. There are a few large denominations in Canada like that. They will bless homosexuals in their sin. That is not a blessing from God and will only confirm people in their sin.
I hope that is not the kind of church you are looking for. It is better if you find a church that condemns it, and agree with that assessment.
Tom, No, I don't struggle with homosexuality. Is what I mean, the one friend of mine would love to have me be his partner, but I've basically vowed not to do that. Do I say that to him or try to force my views? No. I just don't show interest and openly tell him if I'm seeing a lady. To do so(submit to such partnership) would be to condone the activity. I can't do that in good conscience. I intend to remain single or marry a woman. I'm glad you acknowledge your freedom. However, it sounds like you still struggle with temptations, no? We're all in that place this side of heaven. The battle is strong, but I will be honest, I cannot fully comprehend your place or struggles. Sorry you've been run out of churches over this. Many don't understand the blessing which comes with "confess your faults" one to another and to counsel one another with help and the Gospel, which gives us strength. We should help one another to overcome burdens and trials in life. This is not an "every-man-for-himself" kind of faith. I pray God gives you strength on the journey, to help you. Keep in touch with God by reading the Bible and prayer. Finding a church which is balanced on this(how to help without running you out) is another story and an area in which I lack expertise. Time for bed.
Faithful Remnant, Do you struggle with homosexuality? You don't have to answer that if it's too personal. I think that is the best way to evangelize. People look at most Christians and all they see is some sour dour person who has no joy in life and who won't shut up about how bad we all are. I think most people are very aware of their sin, even if they aren't willing to admit it. Just keep loving your friends, that will speak more to them than any scripture ever would. I really did not expect to open the can of worms I opened when I happened onto this article. I was saved at 21 but have struggled with my homosexuality ever since. I know that I am free of it, I do not consider myself "gay" but still have an attraction to men. But as far as being allured by the lifestyle, I am not. I am content to serve in my local body and to try and build up my brothers and sisters and to seek my lost friends and I have a very fulfilling life. I do get lonesome, though, for a significant other. How about you? What's your story?
Tom, Ok, well, maybe there was some sarcasm in there about you asking help, but it's OK. Well, believe it or not, I have two friends who are professed homosexuals--one has a partner, the other one is still seeking one and has tried to get me to fall into it, but I won't. And I'll say right now, they are close friends and I don't reject them because of their lifestyle(I'm not homophobic). One is a devout Catholic, the other is, well, more or less agnostic although raised Catholic. One is female, the other male. I wrestle with how to tell them that praciticing such is wrong. I'm sure if a time comes to talk to them about the Gospel, the issue will arise. For now I am content to befriend them and try to "preach" to them by my actions and not words. There's a time for words and a time to be silent. Both these friends know I'm quite fundamentalist in my outlook. I came to know Christ in a time of deep despair and personal spiritual conflicts. I was basically doubting my Christian upbringing and seeking an alternative faith, but my heart felt so empty. It was a scary trial. Thankfully God's word gave me assurance and I came to believe. Nobody forced me to believe. I agree we're not all that different, since sins and temptations befall us. But what is our attitude toward such?
Faithful Remnant, I wasn't really seeking personal help as much as disclosure. See, I don't think we are all that different. Our depravity has just taken a different form. It's not that I disagree with you, not totally anyway, it's this notion that many good Christian men and women have with regard to homosexuality. I have left 3 churches because I was held to stricter scrutiny than any of my fellow brethren. My fault to be sure, because I was too transparent about my sin and there is just something scary, to most people, about homosexuality. Tell me, have you ever just listened to a homosexual without trying to convince them. I mean really listen and not regurgitate the crap, that gets drummed into our heads from the pulpit, about the homosexual agenda and their recruitment and brainwashing campaign. I would venture to say probably not. How did YOU come to know Christ? Did someone love you and seek to understand you or did they keep beating it into your head what a sick, perverted, abominable person you are? Just curious.
Tom, I'd be glad to help you out if I can. We are to share one another's burdens. Sin and temptation are as real now as before. I'm not above temptation. The devil still attacks and the flesh is a powerful enemy. I'll admit that. And I confess to God my sinfulness and I'd hope those with homosexual burdens(temptations or even those who go so far as to gratify their fleshly lusts) will confess the same and seek grace and help to overcome. And those freed should maintain their liberty and not be bound again. And if they are tempted, it doesn't make it OK to live it. But what concerns me is how do we view this issue. A lot of folks want to say homosexuality is not a sin, not wrong, etc. I'll never succumb to that idea. If it's wrong in the Bible, it's wrong, period. We've all sinned, we need forgiveness and liberation, sanctification, and power over the threefold enemy-the world, devil, and our own fallen flesh. If you need help in that area, spend much time reading the Scriptures, and prayer, attending church, etc. I believe God can help you out. I can of course encourage you to believe your shortcomings forgiven in the blood of Christ and that you can be sure it's all buried in the sea of grace. God has helped me, he's helped others, he can do the same for you. I hope this helps.
Faithful Remnant, Amen. No argument there. Still you seem to gloss over the fact that in the 1 Cor 6 and the Romans 1 texts there seem to be indictments against ALL of humanity. Freed though some of them were, I'm willing to bet they still sinned. As I'm sure, so do you. So, the question is if you still sin are you really free? I know I'm assuming a lot here by stating you still sin and maybe I'm wrong maybe YOU have arrived. Can you help me out here?
Tom, No, I'm not Mormon. Never have been. Never will be. Prejudice? Nope. We've all sinned, and that includes me. We must repent, confess and put sins behind, whether acts of sexual immorality or otherwise. The bride theory still does no justification for what you're saying whether metaphor or not. It has already been stated by the Apostles(not the Mormon ones, they've already got an assigned place outside God's kingdom), that those who do such aren't inheriting the Kingdom. Apostle Paul even acknowledged "Such were some of you." Some were obviously bound to homosexual inclinations and activity but were freed.
"God created sex"
Yes, he did. And he gave Adam a woman and left it that way. That's also the way I intend to leave it. No exceptions.
Faithful Remnant, The Apostles and Prophets? So you're Mormon? Seriously though, the Bible says a lot of things, as Peter said of Paul's letters, that are hard to understand and which unstable men distort to their own distruction. Yes, men and women do make up the bride of Christ. It's called m-e-t-a-p-h-o-r. God uses earthly, physical, typological language to help us understand the characteristics of the relationship he desires with us. Parent/child and husband/wife relationships give us a pretty vivid picture of the depth of intimacy God desires. Not because I say so, it's the apostles and prophets who say so. Your texts about who makes it and who doesn't include every last one of us, not just the homosexuals. Again, your prejudice is showing. Yamil, God desires not a sexually gratifying relationship but one that is exemplified and as deeply personal and vulnerable as the one between a man and woman. God wants us to "know" him. Yes, God is spirit but he was indeed manifested in the flesh, in bodily form, as the Jesus Christ our Lord and has that body still, even as we will on the last day. If you want to know what God looks like, acts like, thinks, speaks or lives like, look at Jesus; a physical, sexual, masculine man, perfect in divinity as well as humanity. He created sex.
Bravo: Some people, for whatever reason, have an inclination to believe God preserved the Bible as it stands, all others have an inclination to disbelieve the preservation as it stands. Sometimes it really does come down to faith. Im not saying there are not countless arguments to go for the KJV or countless that you could throw against it, but all that has been debated numerous times here and I know it would once again be to no avail.
Tom: your lack of response to the obvious states a clear notion of defeat. Why not admit your mistake and ignorance? "Now, get thee behind me. " Ha, Im no Peter, but you certainly are no Jesus Christ (since Im sure you think he had vile affections as well you sicko)
"I have no more time for you."
Translation: "you nailed my head against the wall and I am stuck with no answer!"
Am I amused. No. Gross heresy isn't amusing its sickening in this case and worthy only of a devil.
BTW: can you confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh? I John 4:2?
Note: Not confessing, by rule of the passage, is the same as a bad confession.
And once more, getting back to the bride analogy. The church is called the bride, yes, true. It also contains both male and female believers. So Tom, there's a problem there with this physical intimacy theory and the church. Which is it, the men or the women in the bride? Yet more missing links, so I still see no substantial foundation to convince me to submit to your ideas, nor do I intend to obey such ideas.
Tom, no, not because I say so. It's what the Apostles and prophets said. God burned Sodom and Gomorrah, He gave them over(Romans 1), such aren't inheriting the kingdom of God(1st. Cor. 6). That's not my personal doctrine. It's what's in the pages of the Bible.