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FRONT PAGE  |  11/17/2017
SUNDAY, APR 1, 2007  |  19 comments
Churches Go ‘Green’ for Palm Sunday
SIERRA MORENA, Mexico, March 29 — Slightly more expensive than the average palm, eco-palms are the rage in churches across the United States because of the social and environmental benefits they represent. They are collected in a way that helps preserve the forest, and more of the sale price ends up in the pockets of the people who cut them.

“We want to be a green congregation,” said the Rev. David C. Parsons, pastor of St. John-St. Matthew-Emanuel Lutheran Church in Brooklyn, which purchased eco-palms for the second straight year. “We are conscious of our footprint on the earth. There is a biblical mandate to do that.” ...


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News Item4/5/07 2:16 PM
Wayne M. | British Columbia, Canada  Find all comments by Wayne M.
John Yurich,

Albert said in a comment at 5:20AM today that he will be off for a week.

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News Item4/5/07 1:51 PM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
John Yurich,
You believe in one God but not one faith. That's not very consistent. You don't believe it matters what church, but how can you categorically believe that way? Of course, if those people you mentioned received Christ only as savior but not Lord and also in a way not sanctioned by the New Testament, it's no wonder they were not changed.

Neil,
I probably should apologize also if I became too sarcastic or passionate with our pet peeves. I also probably should have read this page before speaking up here, but I forgot about it, however I started to research it again: http://www.truecovenanter.com/truelutheran/index.html
The part about "holy days" is very educational but passionate, and I could see why such may be a pet peeve for you. Maybe it should be more for me.

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News Item4/5/07 1:42 PM
John Yurich | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich
Albert: Nowhere in official RCC doctrine does it state that the RCC beleives that the bread and wine are gods. So knock it off stating that the RCC believes that the bread and wine are gods. And I most certainly do totally deny that the bread and wine are the actual body and blood of Christ. And who states that verbal commmunication is the only means to use to inform individuals that what they are believing is false? What is wrong with informing individuals what what they are believing is false via writing on discussion forums? And why do you state that I believe in a different god then you do? I believe in the ONE TRUE GOD consisiting of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Just because someone remains shy after they have received Christ as their Savior does not mean that they are not really saved. Country Music singer John Lee received Christ as his Savior and his personality did not change one iota after receiving Christ as his Savior. Lee continued to have a stupid personality after receiving Christ as his Savior. Also my late Uncle and his family converted to the Baptist Church from the RCC and they also continued to have stupid personalities after receiving Christ as their Savior.
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News Item4/4/07 8:26 AM
albert | Northern Ireland  Find all comments by albert
JY
I have answered that question umpteen times for you,so if you don't know,then it shows how ignorant you are about what your supposed to believe as a papist.
If you did deny it,then tell those other fools who think it is that are sitting next to you.
But we all know you can't talk to others as your god has never given you the faith to speak nor obey his commands,not like my GOD,Who has me speaking out every time I see SIN going on.

But Hey JY
Thats Why "ye must be born again"

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News Item4/4/07 8:18 AM
John Yurich | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich
Dan:What practices did the Protestant Churches adopt from the RCC?

Albert:Why do you keep stating wafer god when referring to the bread? And why don't you ever mention the wine? The wine is also available along with the bread in the RCC. I totally deny that the bread and wine are the actual body and blood of Christ.

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News Item4/4/07 8:01 AM
albert | Northern Ireland  Find all comments by albert
Lance
Surely your not saying you use your senses when you worship your wafer god.
If you are ,then you couldn't have any sense at all to think its a god, body soul and blood your eating

Get away of that you fool
Thats Why "ye must be born again"

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News Item4/4/07 7:55 AM
Dan | Tennessee  Find all comments by Dan
Neil,

I wholeheartedly agree with your stance on this. Apparently, you think Christians should pay attention to The Regulative Principle of Worship.

But wait a minute. That would mean ‘Protestant churches’ would have to actually consider God’s view on many of the practices adopted from the RC calendar. They might even wonder if annual observances SHOULD be part of public worship!

Nawww. What am I saying?! Of course they can do them. They are time honored TRADITIONS and shouldn’t be questioned.

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News Item4/3/07 6:45 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Can't agree w/ you there. True worship addresses the mind, not the body.
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News Item4/3/07 6:33 PM
Lance Eccles | Goulburn NSW  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lance Eccles
Neil, man is composed of body and soul. It is good that the body (through the senses) take part in worship too.
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News Item4/3/07 3:36 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
They at least are consistent in applying the principle of ignoring Scriptural directions for worship.
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News Item4/3/07 3:32 PM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
Neil,
My last word on this: Putting yokes on believers where Jesus did not is not normative for Christ's church. That's my opinion on the matter. I'm not going to tell somebody or a whole congregation they can't do this or that or you have to do this or that if Christ didn't object or impose something.

"Why waste time with half-hearted Lutheran imitations?"

Because the papal church reveres more than the Bible and Christ alone as sufficient for faith and life, that's why.

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News Item4/3/07 3:23 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Oh, so anything the Jews did, believing or not, is therefore normative for public worship in the church? Were the all the roadside Jews His disciples?

The papists really know how to put on a good Palm Sunday show. Why waste time with half-hearted Lutheran imitations?

www.newadvent.org/cathen/11432b.htm

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News Item4/3/07 3:16 PM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
Nor does my church, Jim. We know what's necessary for salvation--faith in Christ alone. We get to heaven by faith, not by our worship styles---something the Lutheran theologians were careful to point out, thus guaranteeing quite a bit of liberty to the congregations concerning worship, ceremonies and observance of festivals.

Neil, smells and bells aren't in the New Testament. However, Jesus didn't call the palm branches before Him an invention of human origin worthy of condemnation.

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News Item4/3/07 3:15 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
"As you can gather, we don't put our faith into the mechanics of worship services"

Since you think palm branches are excusable worship aids for Protestants, why not also papist "smells & bells"? It's the same principle: sensate worship, of human invention. You know how the road to Hell is paved...

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News Item4/3/07 2:54 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
The children at our church may have used palm branches once-in-awhile for some of the programs they present at church, adults don't. As you can gather, we don't put our faith into the mechanics of worship services, Neil. I hope the church you attend doesn't either.
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News Item4/2/07 2:46 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
All this fuss over elements of worship, & a holy day, which God did not ordain.
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News Item4/2/07 1:57 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Date Palm,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_palm

This should answer your question, Faithful.

By the way, the unbeliever should get ready for Resurrection Sunday also.

"I just want to say a few words about the condition of our bodies following the rapture of the church before we look into the matter of coming judgment. And the judgment that we must anticipate even as the people of God. Jesus Christ was crucified, was buried, and was raised from the dead. His resurrection from the dead is the proof and evidence that everyone ultimately is destined for resurrection. Now this is true for unbelievers as well as believers. Even the unbeliever will receive a resurrection body. Not a body suited for glory, but a body suited for suffering and punishment. So at the resurrection and rapture of the church, we will have bodies that are changed to be conformed to the body that Jesus had following His resurrection and ascension."

http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?currSection=sermonssource&sermonID=62603154424

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News Item4/1/07 4:25 PM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
I attend Lutheran services. Yes, of course, we had palms today. I work there also, so I took the delivery of the leaves and stored them. So yes, we had "greenery" today..lol . I didn't inspect to see if they were the exact same palms as the ones in the middle east. Maybe Jim wants to get species specific, but it isn't bothering me.
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News Item4/1/07 4:16 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
This seems to be the area where many Protestants and leftist guerrillas are. I hope the Protestants are benefitting and the Leftists are turning into Capitalists?

Since they aren't the same type of palm used in the Middle East, which I assume are date palms, I don't see a very good connection with symbolism of what happened in the Bible.

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