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Choice News MONDAY, JAN 8, 2007  |  38 comments
Ellison: Quran influenced America's founding fathers


First Muslim congressman in U.S. history to take oath with a Quran

Detroit native Keith Ellison, the first Muslim Congressman, told the Free Press Friday that he used the Quran during his oath of office because the Islamic holy book helped influence the founding fathers of America.

Ellison, a Minnesota Democrat, garnered international attention Thursday when he used a Quran once owned by Thomas Jefferson during his ceremonial swearing-in ceremony for the House of Representatives.


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News Item1/15/07 7:05 PM
billy | so cal  Find all comments by billy
dogger,

It might be held against you. I would play it safe and keep it on the coffee table

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News Item1/14/07 10:45 PM
Dogger | East  Find all comments by Dogger
Mike NY .. I have several books by Calvinists on my bookshelves. That won't be held against me, will it?

No it sure wont.It will only help you.

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News Item1/14/07 10:04 PM
George Flonnes | Ct.  Contact via emailFind all comments by George Flonnes
Jesus said if it is not of Me than it is of satan. Satan job is to decieve control and then destroy. The blood will run knee deep before this conflict will end. Satan losses
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News Item1/14/07 7:44 AM
Ben Hayes | South Africa  Contact via emailFind all comments by Ben Hayes
This is sheer nonsense! Anybody knowing the piety of America's founding fathers, will know that they were only influenced by the Word of God - the Holy Bible. The fact that one of them owned a Koran, does not tell us that he was influenced by it. I also have a Koran, and the only way it influences me, is to show mw the falsehoods of Islam with its hate speech!
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News Item1/13/07 4:07 PM
kittyhawk | Northern California  Find all comments by kittyhawk
Mike wrote: Jefferson owned a Quran? Oh oh. I have several books by Calvinists on my bookshelves. That won't be held against me, will it?

Not if you read them!

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News Item1/13/07 11:30 AM
George | AZ  Protected NameFind all comments by George
Several years ago, I had the opportunity to travel in an airport shuttle driven by a man who was a native of Ethiopia. He identified himself as a Christian, and I presume that he meant that he was not a Muslim. We began talking about Islamic terrorism, and he indicated that in Ethiopia, they dealt with Muslim terrorists by hanging them in public squares. He said that they cannot be trusted to tell the truth about anything. He said that if he knew that the day of the week was Thursday, and a Muslim told him that it was Thursday, he would get a calendar and check it to be sure. Rep. Ellison is cut from the same kind of cloth. I don't think his oath of office swearing loyalty to this country and resolving to defend it against all enemies, foreign and domestic, can be trusted, and clearly, he demonstrates enormous ignorance of that which influenced the establishment of this country.
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News Item1/13/07 10:28 AM
GG  Find all comments by GG
I have the same reservations that you do Craig.
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News Item1/13/07 9:59 AM
craig | usa  Find all comments by craig
Why would anyone want to be associated with a bunch of weird beards with a table cloth around their head and a fan belt around their waist, much less vote for him? I mean these are the people who will come up to you with a backpack full of dynamite and give you a hug and then detonate. We are going down the wrong path folks. Its just a matter of time and we will be living under their crappy laws. It will be much worse than a Clinton president.

to be continued

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News Item1/10/07 12:53 PM
KK | USA  Find all comments by KK
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"Detroit native Keith Ellison, the first Muslim Congressman, told the Free Press Friday that he used the Quran during his oath of office because the Islamic holy book helped influence the founding fathers of America."

Here we go with more lies...

This is just one of *many issues* that is emitting a foul odor in Washington DC...

The Quran had nothing to do with the founding of America --- this guy is a few cards short of a full deck !!!
.

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News Item1/10/07 11:53 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Chris, good quote. I understand that Muslim venality is why Britain supported Turkey against Russia in the 19th century. The Turks could always be bought off, but the Russians, being nominal Christians, were more likely to stand on principle.

Queen Victoria did want to do something about Turkish anti-Christian pogroms though ("If I were man, I would give them such a beating").

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News Item1/10/07 4:31 AM
Billy Freedom | Ulster !  Find all comments by Billy Freedom
I also wanted to add that those in the Islamic societies he claims to represent are not nearly so lucky.

I would also like to commend to you the following excellent writer from Norway,

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1409

who will illuminate a great many things about our historical blindness on this subject (you will find, as mentioned by Chris from Australia, the early interactions of America and Islam, though very serious, in this context, hilarious.) Hopefully the good Fjordman will give you a little insight into the historical baseless ness and sheer idiocy of Mr. Ellison's claims.

(nb. this man is writing from a Northern European Conservative position, it is however clean in terms of language and I think will be very agreeable to this sites users)

Any-who folks God Bless and please keep our wee country in your prayers, the UK anti Christian laws are rolling out here soon, messages of support to our churches and bible believing politicians (you have a number of them on this site) are always jubilantly received.

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News Item1/10/07 4:14 AM
Billy Freedom | Ulster !  Find all comments by Billy Freedom
The distinction between owning & reading a book and being influenced by it has apparently escaped Mr. Ellison, I would (if I were in a position to) challenge him to find one direct reference to the influence of Mecca on the foundation of the United states of America, or even a reference to it.
The man is almost certainly aware of this, I would suggest he has shown something of a questionable element to his character by engaging in such trivial provocative rhetoric. To put it bluntly, he's winding you up.
The immense democratic freedoms and civil liberties in America, the absence of any Koranic observations and the totally contradictory structures of the Nation of Islam (that's the actual body of the 'Umma', not the American organisation) and that of the USA make the congress mans comments seem like a childish attempt causing offence. One would have thought that given the interactions of his religious cohorts with America in recent history would cause a decent fellow to adopt a more conciliatory tone. Obviously not. Sometimes the liberties you enjoy mean that others will use them in a way you do not enjoy, it is a symptom of Americas wonderful tolerance that this man may speak so freely, even is he does use the right so poorly.
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News Item1/9/07 9:49 PM
Chris M | Australia  Find all comments by Chris M
Prior to the Barbary wars Moslems were regularly conducting pirate raids upon American ships, stealing the cargo and enslaving the people on the ships, then demanding ransom money.

Jefferson and John Adams went to call on Tripoli’s envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman. They asked him by what right he extorted money and took slaves in this way. As Jefferson later reported to Secretary of State John Jay, and to the Congress:

"The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise."

Abdrahaman did not fail to add that a commission paid directly to Tripoli—and another paid to himself—would secure some temporary lenience.

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News Item1/9/07 2:07 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I would point out, Neil, that Turkey still falls back on it's old traditions, when it comes to Cyprus.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/20/newsid_3866000/3866521.stm

The BBC of course, slants things in Turkey's favor, and this site slants away from it.

http://www.hri.org/Cyprus/Cyprus_Problem/Turkish-Atrocities.html

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News Item1/9/07 12:25 PM
A2Z  Find all comments by A2Z
Mike from New York

Sure - call me by whatever initial you please.

As for labelling you - why? you hurt my feelings!! All I know about your position is that you're not a calvinist - other than that the only label I can think of is "nice guy"! But now maybe also "wise guy"

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News Item1/9/07 12:05 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Precedent is powerful. Whenever a value system is threatened, the most effective rallying cry is usually "back to first principles" (aka fundamentalism). And Islam was first spread by the sword. "Moderate" Muslims can only counter this by appealing to principles foreign to Islam (i.e., Biblical).

Probably the most successful Islamic state is Turkey, & only because they absorbed many nominally Christian peoples. Indonesia, another candidate, has an influential Chinese minority who are well-educated, hard working, & not Islamic. If it weren't for oil money, the Mideast Islamic states would still be dirt poor & raising livestock like Abraham.

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News Item1/9/07 11:49 AM
Doyle B. Cooper | Fulton, Mississippi  Contact via emailFind all comments by Doyle B. Cooper
Just a few questions:If Islam is a mostly peaceful religion,where are the mostly peaceful practitioners? Where is the outcry against the Jihadists? Why is there a powerful movement in America and worldwide to try to justify the terrorism and murder of innocents by cowardly sneak bombers(blowing up children,old people,women!!Real Heroes,right?)? Why is there not marches,protests,mass movements by the so-called "peaceful Muslims"to try to stop the MURDER? Why do they not turn the murderers in? Why do they hide them and keep their plans secret? Why is there not such an outcry as was found when the sex scandals of the Catholic child abuse and perversion cases came to light? And one statement:If the Bible taught what the Quran does(I have read all of the Bible and quite a bit of the Quran)I would NOT be a Christian, and since it doesnt I AM a devoted Christian
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News Item1/9/07 11:45 AM
Mike | PA  Find all comments by Mike
I would like someone to name ONE country where the Quran has established liberty, and religious freedom, for the people who live in that country.

The Bible alone is the source of these liberties and freedoms which we hold dear.

The pilgrims came to this land holding the Geneva Bible, and lived by that Bible. There was NO Quran in their hand.

This article is just an attempt to make Islam look like another "peaceful" and useful religion, when in fact it is a devil-inspired system that leads people away from Christ the Lord and Savior.

This is Islam propoganda

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News Item1/8/07 8:58 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
A2Z said:

Quote: " have several books by Calvinists on my bookshelves. That won't be held against me, will it? "

Why, Mike you sly old dog

So do you or have you ever read them? Presumably only to critique?"

Why, A2Z, you hurt my feelings.

Why would I buy a Calvinist-written book only to critique? No money to waste here. Of course I read them. I like to know what is believed and why. Not my fault if you have me labeled.

I come to my own conclusions, A. Mind if I call you A? Are we close enough to be on a first initial basis?

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News Item1/8/07 5:26 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
A2Z, no, I was just weaving a satire about a hypothetical one; Presbys are commonly understood to be Calvinists. I changed my mind about posting it.

Jefferson was against military spending, which was disastrous for the 1812 war against Britain which his party wanted (and the Federalists didn't).

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