Ellison: Quran influenced America's founding fathers
First Muslim congressman in U.S. history to take oath with a Quran
Detroit native Keith Ellison, the first Muslim Congressman, told the Free Press Friday that he used the Quran during his oath of office because the Islamic holy book helped influence the founding fathers of America.
Ellison, a Minnesota Democrat, garnered international attention Thursday when he used a Quran once owned by Thomas Jefferson during his ceremonial swearing-in ceremony for the House of Representatives.
This is sheer nonsense! Anybody knowing the piety of America's founding fathers, will know that they were only influenced by the Word of God - the Holy Bible. The fact that one of them owned a Koran, does not tell us that he was influenced by it. I also have a Koran, and the only way it influences me, is to show mw the falsehoods of Islam with its hate speech!
Several years ago, I had the opportunity to travel in an airport shuttle driven by a man who was a native of Ethiopia. He identified himself as a Christian, and I presume that he meant that he was not a Muslim. We began talking about Islamic terrorism, and he indicated that in Ethiopia, they dealt with Muslim terrorists by hanging them in public squares. He said that they cannot be trusted to tell the truth about anything. He said that if he knew that the day of the week was Thursday, and a Muslim told him that it was Thursday, he would get a calendar and check it to be sure. Rep. Ellison is cut from the same kind of cloth. I don't think his oath of office swearing loyalty to this country and resolving to defend it against all enemies, foreign and domestic, can be trusted, and clearly, he demonstrates enormous ignorance of that which influenced the establishment of this country.
Why would anyone want to be associated with a bunch of weird beards with a table cloth around their head and a fan belt around their waist, much less vote for him? I mean these are the people who will come up to you with a backpack full of dynamite and give you a hug and then detonate. We are going down the wrong path folks. Its just a matter of time and we will be living under their crappy laws. It will be much worse than a Clinton president.
. "Detroit native Keith Ellison, the first Muslim Congressman, told the Free Press Friday that he used the Quran during his oath of office because the Islamic holy book helped influence the founding fathers of America."
Here we go with more lies...
This is just one of *many issues* that is emitting a foul odor in Washington DC...
The Quran had nothing to do with the founding of America --- this guy is a few cards short of a full deck !!! .
Chris, good quote. I understand that Muslim venality is why Britain supported Turkey against Russia in the 19th century. The Turks could always be bought off, but the Russians, being nominal Christians, were more likely to stand on principle.
Queen Victoria did want to do something about Turkish anti-Christian pogroms though ("If I were man, I would give them such a beating").
I also wanted to add that those in the Islamic societies he claims to represent are not nearly so lucky.
I would also like to commend to you the following excellent writer from Norway,
who will illuminate a great many things about our historical blindness on this subject (you will find, as mentioned by Chris from Australia, the early interactions of America and Islam, though very serious, in this context, hilarious.) Hopefully the good Fjordman will give you a little insight into the historical baseless ness and sheer idiocy of Mr. Ellison's claims.
(nb. this man is writing from a Northern European Conservative position, it is however clean in terms of language and I think will be very agreeable to this sites users)
Any-who folks God Bless and please keep our wee country in your prayers, the UK anti Christian laws are rolling out here soon, messages of support to our churches and bible believing politicians (you have a number of them on this site) are always jubilantly received.
The distinction between owning & reading a book and being influenced by it has apparently escaped Mr. Ellison, I would (if I were in a position to) challenge him to find one direct reference to the influence of Mecca on the foundation of the United states of America, or even a reference to it. The man is almost certainly aware of this, I would suggest he has shown something of a questionable element to his character by engaging in such trivial provocative rhetoric. To put it bluntly, he's winding you up. The immense democratic freedoms and civil liberties in America, the absence of any Koranic observations and the totally contradictory structures of the Nation of Islam (that's the actual body of the 'Umma', not the American organisation) and that of the USA make the congress mans comments seem like a childish attempt causing offence. One would have thought that given the interactions of his religious cohorts with America in recent history would cause a decent fellow to adopt a more conciliatory tone. Obviously not. Sometimes the liberties you enjoy mean that others will use them in a way you do not enjoy, it is a symptom of Americas wonderful tolerance that this man may speak so freely, even is he does use the right so poorly.
Prior to the Barbary wars Moslems were regularly conducting pirate raids upon American ships, stealing the cargo and enslaving the people on the ships, then demanding ransom money.
Jefferson and John Adams went to call on Tripoliâ€™s envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman. They asked him by what right he extorted money and took slaves in this way. As Jefferson later reported to Secretary of State John Jay, and to the Congress:
"The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise."
Abdrahaman did not fail to add that a commission paid directly to Tripoliâ€”and another paid to himselfâ€”would secure some temporary lenience.
As for labelling you - why? you hurt my feelings!! All I know about your position is that you're not a calvinist - other than that the only label I can think of is "nice guy"! But now maybe also "wise guy"
Precedent is powerful. Whenever a value system is threatened, the most effective rallying cry is usually "back to first principles" (aka fundamentalism). And Islam was first spread by the sword. "Moderate" Muslims can only counter this by appealing to principles foreign to Islam (i.e., Biblical).
Probably the most successful Islamic state is Turkey, & only because they absorbed many nominally Christian peoples. Indonesia, another candidate, has an influential Chinese minority who are well-educated, hard working, & not Islamic. If it weren't for oil money, the Mideast Islamic states would still be dirt poor & raising livestock like Abraham.
Just a few questions:If Islam is a mostly peaceful religion,where are the mostly peaceful practitioners? Where is the outcry against the Jihadists? Why is there a powerful movement in America and worldwide to try to justify the terrorism and murder of innocents by cowardly sneak bombers(blowing up children,old people,women!!Real Heroes,right?)? Why is there not marches,protests,mass movements by the so-called "peaceful Muslims"to try to stop the MURDER? Why do they not turn the murderers in? Why do they hide them and keep their plans secret? Why is there not such an outcry as was found when the sex scandals of the Catholic child abuse and perversion cases came to light? And one statement:If the Bible taught what the Quran does(I have read all of the Bible and quite a bit of the Quran)I would NOT be a Christian, and since it doesnt I AM a devoted Christian