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RPTS Professor Shows Accuracy of Bible's Christmas Story
PITTSBURGH, Dec. 5 -- We only have a vague idea of when Jesus Christ was born. Matthew made up the star's appearance. The dating of Christmas is an accommodation to a pagan feast. Hebrew prophesy doesn't say that a "virgin" would give birth.
"Bunk!" That's how Dr. Jack Kinneer describes the above statements as popular myths assuming the implausibility of Biblical narrative about the birth of Jesus. Kinneer is a New Testament professor at the Reformed Presbyterian Theological Seminary (RPTS) in Pittsburgh.
"What is implausible is that someone could make up this story, but what is entirely plausible is that someone chronicling these historical events would include such confirmable facts," Kinneer said....
Dear Friends, Dr. Kinneer was able to finish his 14-page article with more details about debunking popular Christmas myths and demonstrating the veracity of Scripture‚Äôs recording of Jesus‚Äô birth. I thought you might be interested about this updated resource made available because so many people have been asking for more information for Bible studies, Sunday School, etc., and it has been discussed here in this blog (among many blogs and websites).
Here‚Äôs the link: http://www.rpts.edu/pres_news_article.asp?articleid=37
Notice the first bolded paragraph with a link to where the paper is.
For Christ and His Kingdom, Grant Van Leuven (student in Dr. Kinneer's Greek class, where this story generated, and Director of Development and Communications) Reformed Presbyterian Theological Seminary www.rpts.edu
Dear Chris, this is a problem the Lord has made me aware of for some time.I find it difficult not to make jokes with my unbelieving fellow workers.The influence of the world on us is a fact!I am seeking to rely on the grace of God to set me free from this sinfull habit.That is what I see it as,in the light of Ephesians 5:3&4! It grieves me even more when we do this brother to brother,even here on this site. In the light of your many good posts,this trait of yours,as you call it,is as a fly in the ointment!
Prais be to the Lord Jesus Christ that He does not give up on us easy! In the love of Jesus your brother Rudi
Yep, lets do anything and everything except that which we are clearly told not to do. Chris M. & Mike
The above statment seems on the surface ok but is it. Have you heard of the Toronto "Blessing"! There where also things starting to happen that where outside of scripture.By this I mean the Bibel said nothing about them! This is how satan gets a foothold for once you are outside of scripture it is only a little further to be contrary to scripture,just as it happend in Toronto.I am sure if the manifestations that happend towards the end ocured at the beginning most people would have recognised it as a counterfeight! So I beseeach you by the mercy of God do not come with strange fire into His presence!
David You are right the peace of christ He aqired at the cross through His death but how could He have died if He was not born? We can not separate one from the other. He was the only one born with the express purpose to die!He was and is Gods love gift to this world.I celebrate christmass and easter daily when I practice taking up the cross. So why not also on the 25th of Dec. Your brother because of Him Rudi
Daniel: Are you in the full time ministry as God's servant and as a Vocation? Called to do so? Trained to do so? Then surly I would call you Reverend. But these are certainly qualifications, since I would not call you a butcher just because you have cut a piece of steak. And I would not call you a doctor because you have taken a splinter out.
Three excellent links on why we shouldn't celebrate Christmas. It's just another Roman Catholic holy day - CHRIST - MASS. ----BLASPHEMY
History of Christmas http://www.sermonaudio.com/mediapdf/12705121141.pdf Proof that Santa Claus is the Devil http://www.av1611.org/othpubls/santa.html Saturation of Christmas with pagan (i.e. Satanic) symbology http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/xmas/celeb.htm
Daniel You asked "And how did the heavenly host celebrate this Hattie"
The Response of God is :-
"Luke 2:9 And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. 10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. 11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. 12 And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. 13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, 14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men."
I hope you will be doing this same thing at Christmas.
"Mike, any command not to speak gibberish and call it a gift from God?
Hmm, I could really go on and on with this stuff, but I trust it'd be a waste of time, right Mike?"
Daniel, yes perhaps a waste of time. After all, speaking gibberish and calling it a gift from God would be telling falsehood, right Daniel? We do have command not to lie. And that would be sin, thus no liberty there, right Daniel?
Daniel: I'm going to change the subject here because I don't care about xmass either way. I'm against the RCC whenever I can be.
However, you said "I trust the "Reverend" Stephen Hamilton should be showing up here pretty soon..." I think you are the guy who doesn't like the title "reverend", right?
I did some thinking on this and concluded that the title is meant as a title for "one who reveres God" and not "one who is to be revered" as many have misconstrued it. All titles work this way. For example, a butcher doesn't get chopped in pieces, but chops things in pieces. A tailor is not to be sewn up, but sews things up. Titles are not meant to describe how others deal with their holder, but what the holder of the title does or performs. Even the title "Honorable Judge whatever" should be understood as one who honors the Law, and not one who is to be honored.
Ah, Daniel, that's what I keep on hearing. But that's Ok. You're entitled to hold to such opinions....as illogical and inconsistent as they are. And exactly what are you going to tell that angel who announced peace on the night Christ was born? . Spirit of Catholicism? The pope isn't my leader and Christmas was celebrated long before the Pope's power was written in stone at the latest Vatican councils.
FR, the excuses you mention are not on the same religious level as xmass, which directly involves Jesus Christ, whereas birthdays and other celebrations do not. All festivities should be examined by the scriptures no matter what they are. I don't care for worshipping America on the 4th of July or recognizing one's personal day of selfishness.
I trust the "Reverend" Stephen Hamilton should be showing up here pretty soon. Are you lurking here Steve?
Funny, Daniel. Are you sure God has put his stamp of approval on your nation's independence and celebrating it? Or other birthdays; and wedding anniversaries, or festivals in memory of some animal or machine..are ya sure God approves of them? And what about those folks we deem as heroes and celebrate them with a special day? Are ya sure God thinks the same? And what about the names of the days of the week, all pagan in origin. Now, before launching off and calling other Christians "phonies" for celebrating Christ's birth, check with God on all of the above and then some.
"Was peace made by the birth?" Answer: "Peace on earth, goodwill to men," is what the angel said at the time Christ was born....and that's good enough for me to say that's a rebuttal and answer to your question.
Peter: by "praising God, and saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men"
Very good. Did they do this every year? If so, anytime in December? Any specifics on how the praising is done? Any commands for humans to mimic this act? If so, please explain.
Peter: "It is certainly worth celebrating the peace that Christ has made between God the Father and His elect people."
Oh no, not good. Was peace made by the birth?
Shall we make a big hoopla with the heathen and all the phony Christians with respect to the baptism of Christ? How about creating a day to commemorate when the beard of the Lord Jesus began to grow? Maybe all those that shave their beards could go to the local costume shop and get some beards - some long, some curly or straight, and even some rainbow colored ones - hey, the wackier the better! That's the spirit! And all who would dare object are divisive and judgmental!