Well, all I have to say is that any man that adds or takes away from the Word of God is being blasphemous! They will be judged before the throne of God one day for doing so!
People in today's society seem to "sugar coat" Bible truths because they are too chicken to accept them. It seems as if many church members today are leaving the churches who preach "old time religion" because preachers are preaching about the WHOLE Bible...not just the "comfort zone" subjects such as "read your Bible and be faithful to church". For example, I have known of people who have left certain churches because the preacher spoke on modesty among women, or how Christians should dress in public. Since these were not "comfort zone" subjects (which made the women uncomfortable b/c of THEIR immodesty), they ended up leaving those precious churches.
In America, the 10 commandments are probably too "harsh" for the pansies in our government offices, so they have to make them more "comfortable" for society and themselves. But that's o.k. Let them be comfortable on earth...but it'll be a different story at the Judgement Seat!
Mark, I was hoping for a bibliography or at least some URLS, not anecdotes & roadsigns.
To throw my hat into the ring, read "The Cousin's Wars," wherein Kevin Phillips, not a Christian to my knowledge & thus not trying to grind any sectarian axes (and hostile to church-statism as you conceive it), documents the profound influence Reformed Christians had on the War for Independence. Example: the Scots-Irish, one of the largest single English-speaking ethnic groups, were Presbyterian either in affiliation or thought patterns; many later became Methodists or Baptists (not Anabaptists) since Presby church polity couldn't keep up with their movements.
James Madison matriculated at the College of New Jersey, a Presby seminary.
Please go back and read those earlier posts of mine.
You said that I gave no evidence for the influence the Baptists had on the early colonies. You may not admit to what evidence I gave... but to say that I gave no evidence is a blatant lie!
Why, by petitioning the king, John Clarke recieved soul liberty and religious freedom for Rhode Island. This was the first time this was ever true anywhere! This same soul liberty and religious freedom is the same we enjoy today in the whole of America.
Now... I understand that you don't appreciate that freedom. You'd rather have it like the Puritans in Massachusetts - I understand that.
You see: You and I will never see eye-to-eye / we will never agree... because what you view as influential and what I view as influential are two things far removed!
I whole heartedly believe in the separation of church and state... and you think the two should be joined under YOUR brand of Christianity.
So... to you... the contribution Baptists made was not a contribution at all.
Since that's what's going on here (to the best of my understanding), why have any further discussion.
You set-up your church/state and allow the antichrist to move in so we can get this thing over with.
It looks like you use the same tactics you accuse others of employing. Give us some substantiated historical facts, like which Founders were Baptists. You said how influential they were, yet gave no evidence.
"Catholic Reformed Reconstructionists" - oh please! Why don't you just call me a space alien, it makes as much sense.
There's nothing strange about Dabney's remarks, except to those holding to the fallacy that applying faith to political questions is effectively the same as establishing a denomination.
If believers are to bring every thought captive to Christ (2 Cor. 10:5), & magistracy is a valid vocation for believers (contra Mennonites), it necessarily follows that a Christian magistrate should act according to his faith commitments. This does not mean he can treat constituents like church members, this is a different office.
and I think this booklet says many of the same things,
My French Huguenot heritage pops up probably too often so you'll get political comments out of me, which in no way represents IHCC.
While IHCC had a Mennonite attachment many years back, they do not anymore, and IHCC is not pacifist nor am I sure that the Mennonite group they were associated with, were either. It depends on the Mennonite.
Let me say that I agree with Mike of NY, that Separation of Church and State is not in the Constitution. It was first mentioned as part of a letter by T. Jefferson to a Baptist preacher, reassuring him that the Govt was not about to get into church affairs. But, I believe there is a landmark Supreme Court cast in 1947 or 1949 that expands the notion of SoC&S.