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THURSDAY, DEC 8, 2005  |  29 comments
Christians battle over 'Narnia'
Conservative and liberal theologians try to lay claim to author C.S. Lewis's towering legacy as a Christian thinker.

The legacy of one of the 20th century's most influential religious figures is suddenly up for grabs, thanks to a new family film intended to make millions at the box office.

That's because Walt Disney's "The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe," set for release nationwide Friday, has helped fuel fresh interest in the beliefs of its late creator, C.S. Lewis. Though perhaps best known for his entertaining children's books, Lewis has attained a following among millions of Christians drawn to explore - and debate - what he believed to lie at the heart of Christianity.

In one camp are evangelicals, whose churches regularly use Lewis's book "Mere Christianity" to introduce newcomers to orthodox understandings of Jesus Christ. The evangelical magazine ...

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News Item12/10/05 10:41 AM
Red Sky  
The most powerful love is in the martyr's heart when his head is in the lion's jaws.

News Item12/10/05 7:29 AM
Secundus | observation post  
God is glorified :-
In the miracles of Jesus.
In faith moving mountains of opposition.
In overcoming affliction whilst praising the Lord.
A fellowship evangelising the community in Truth and of Truth.
And doing the work of God. John.6:29 ..".believe on Him whom He hath sent..".

News Item12/9/05 2:05 PM
Clint  Contact via email
God is glorified in our intellect and achievements. We are His creation, after all.

News Item12/9/05 11:54 AM
Verity and friend Quixote  
The Lord has commanded that the Gospel is to be preached to *ALL* bar none.
For that reason man's sinful preoccupations or vanities are not to be allowed to get in the way, of that command.
The intellect and it's achievements, when acclaimed and applauded by society become a danger to sinful man.

Many, we can be sure, have fallen foul of this trap and temptation.
As for Lewis and his obvious academic prowess, I hope that the Lord did and does use this as an instrument.

It remains an interesting discussion.


News Item12/9/05 10:10 AM
Craig | USA  
If Our Lord had the meaning you give, then Paul was wrong to preach to the Aereopogus. Spiritual blindness is more common among intelligentsia due to pride, but that does not mean God despises the intellect which he has given as a good gift. It is as if you said all beauty is sinful because beautiful people tend to be conceited and spiritually blind. Thank God for his gifts to men. I’m sure you have a certain talent in which you excel others. Your gift is not sinful, if used to the glory of God.

News Item12/9/05 9:42 AM
Craig | USA  
Thank you for the information. I believe Lewis was open about his desire to convert secularists to Paganism in hopes that they would move to Christ. Convoluted thinking, but with a modicum of validity, in the sense that to be a theist is better than being an atheist, and historically pagans are more likely to come to Christ than atheists.

News Item12/9/05 9:10 AM
Engineer | USA  
If you were to read Narnia to kids: you'd probably at least want to know what to censor, in order to skip the rank paganism that crops up...

Problems with C S Lewis are NOT just
being 'picky'-- in the interest of full disclosure note:
In the Encyclopedia Britainnica (1963 and 1974 editions) Dionysus is described "in Greek cult and mythology, a nature god of fruitfulness and vegetation, but tending to specialize as a god of wine...The alternative names Bacchus (Bacchos...); Sabazuis and Bassareus are Thracian." He was also called Bromios.
He is believed to have been introduced to Greece from Thrace and Phyrgia. While in Greece the orgiastic worship of him was toned down, "In his native country his worshippers sought to become possessed by or assimilated to him by wild dancing and the tearing in pieces and eating of animals..." The victims of this carnage may have originally been human.


News Item12/9/05 9:08 AM
Engineer | USA  
The female attendants of Dionysus were known as the Maenads. Many women were attracted to him and took to the hills wearing faun skins and crowns of ivy. The ivy wreath itself being one of his personal attributes. (Remember the ivy wreaths around the tops of the mazers of wine in Prince Caspian.) Their ritual cry was "Euoi!" They danced by torchlight to the flute and kettledrum and used wine freely. While under the god's power (really devils) they supposedly possessed occult powers, could charm snakes, suckle animals, and were given super strength to tear their living victims in pieces before devouring them raw. In Greece a dancing circle surrounded his altar. Through this complete, unconditional surrender to the devils in this orgy, they believed they could cross over into the eternal, spiritual realm.
The phallus was a prominent symbol in Dionysus' rituals and was carried in processions in his honor. One of the oldest known prayer-hymns is one used by the followers of Dionysus and is addressed to the g*n*t*ls. His followers included fertility spirits, such as satyrs.
He was said to have the "gift" of prophecy and was given a position at that wretched shrine of Delphi only slightly lower than that of Apollo.
He often
took animal forms MANY TIMES A LION!

News Item12/9/05 9:05 AM
Engineer | USA
Silenus in mythology was the son of Hermes or Pan (Satan). He was said to be a nymph and was the companion and nurse of Dionysus. Which gives room for speculation regarding sodomy since Hermes was associated with such.
Silenus was often depicted in the Bacchus' train in art and was generally shown as "a little pot-bellied old man with snub nose and bald head, riding on an ass and supported by satyrs..." (Quite appropriately, there is a statue of him carrying an infant Dionysus in the Vatican.) In the plural they were said to be the same as satyrs, but older, wiser and drunker. They were characterized as prophets and expert musicians.
Now, having laid all this disgusting filth out, let's take a look at how C.S. Lewis portrays them in his Chronicles of Narnia for kids to read!

News Item12/9/05 9:05 AM
Engineer | USA
In Prince Caspian, Chapter XI, "The Lion Roars," Lewis opens to us his true heart: (The quotes are somewhat long in order to show the context as Lewis has it.)
p. 152 - "The crowd and the dance round Aslan (for it had become a dance once more) grew so thick and rapid that Lucy was confused. She never saw where certain other people came from who were soon capering among the trees. One was a youth, dressed only in a fawn-skin, with vine-leaves wreathed in his curly hair. His face would have been almost too pretty for a boy's, if it had not looked so extremely wild. You felt, as Edmund said when he saw him a few days later, 'There's a chap who might do anything --- absolutely anything.' He seemed to have a great many names --- Bromios, Bassareus, and the Ram, were three of them. There were a lot of girls with him, as wild as he. There was even, unexpectedly, someone on a donkey. And everybody was laughing: and everybody was shouting out, "Euan, euan, eu-oi-oi-oi."
Note the wild dance, the extremely wild faced youth that is Bromios (otherwise known and Dionysus or Bacchus), the wild girls (Maenads), the man on the donkey (Silenus) who is also said to cry "Refreshments!" (drunken orgy!)
1 cor 14:33

News Item12/9/05 9:03 AM
Engineer | USA
p. 154 - "One saw sticky and stained fingers everywhere, and, though mouths were full the laughter never ceased nor the yodeling cries of Euan, euan, eu-oi-oi-oi-oi, till all of a sudden everyone felt at the same moment that the game (whatever it was), and the feast, ought to be over, and everyone flopped down breathless on the ground and turned his face to Aslan to hear what he would sat next.
"At that moment the sun was just rising and Lucy remembered something and whispered to Susan,
" 'I say, Su, I know who they are."
" 'Who?' "
" 'The boy with the wild face is Bacchus and the old one on the donkey is Silenus. Don't you remember Mr. Tumnus telling us about them long ago?' "
" 'Yes, of course. But I say Lu ----' "
" 'What?' "
" 'I wouldn't have felt very safe with Bacchus and all his wild girls if we'd met them without Aslan.'"
" 'I should think not,' Said Lucy." [Emphasis added.]
Again, all the sign posts are in place and Lewis even puts the event at sunrise!

News Item12/9/05 9:03 AM
Engineer | USA
Continuing --
p. 192 - "Bacchus and the Maenads --- his fierce, madcap girls --- and Silenus, were still with them. Lucy, fully rested, jumped up. Everyone was awake, everyone was laughing, flutes were playing, cymbals clashing. Animals, not Talking Animals, were crowding in upon them from every direction.
" 'What is it, Aslan?' said Lucy, her eyes dancing and her feet wanting to dance.
" 'Come, children," said he. 'Ride on my back again to-day.' "
" 'Oh lovely!' cried Lucy, and both girls climbed on to the warm golden back as they had done no-one knew how many years before. Then the whole party moved off --- Aslan leading. Bacchus and his Maenads leaping, rushing and turning somersaults, the beasts frisking round them, and Silenus and his donkey bringing up the rear." [Emphasis added.]

News Item12/9/05 9:03 AM
Engineer | USA
Now, note here that Lewis actually names the Maenads and describes them as "fierce". To complete the description of this devil worship for your children to mimic in their play, he adds the flutes and cymbals, and animals are brought in, though their fate at the hands of the Maenads is carefully excluded. He also describes them going down a hill into town where they found a girls' school. The girls were dressed in ugly tight collars, thick stockings and tight hairdos. The teacher and class all fled in terror except one girl. Aslan called her "sweetheart" and asked her to join his wild crowd, which she did. She was instantly dancing with the Maenads who helped her take off some of her "unnecessary" and uncomfortable clothes!
So, Lewis is telling your children that in order to be part of this wild bunch (which he portrays as fun), they must join in the dancing and take off some of their clothes!
This sounds remarkably similar to one of the accounts in the Bible -- the occasion on which Aaron made the golden calf and Israel worshipped it with a wild feast and dancing party. When Moses got back down the mountain, he confronted Aaron and received a stupid excuse. read, Exodus 32:25 WARNING! God doesn't like this!

News Item12/9/05 9:00 AM
Engineer | USA
The most revolting thing, which has been evident right along, is stated plainly in the quote on p. 192. Aslan is leading! Now, if Aslan is supposedly the Lord Jesus Christ, as many assure us and as Lewis himself allowed, then what we find here is the grossest blasphemy! This is then supposedly Jesus Christ leading a Satanic orgy of Bacchus! This is sick beyond description!
We have already determined that the real identity of Aslan in The Chronicles of Narnia is actually the sun god, but Lewis allowed and promoted the notion that this was an allegory of Biblical truth and that Aslan was indeed a picture of Christ Jesus - God in the flesh. Therefore, it is all the same as if he had written such filth about the Lord of glory in the first place! Deuteronomy 32:41 If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me. Amen!! Selah!!
One interesting point here is that in The Last Battle on page 170 Lewis has Digory saying, "It's all in Plato, all in Plato." Now, Lewis calls Plato "an overwhelming theological genius" (Reflections on the Psalms, p. 80), which any discerning Christian familiar with Plato's works would take warning.

News Item12/9/05 8:59 AM
Engineer | USA
The next quote, which also appears in Prince Caspian (Chapter XV, "Aslan Makes A Door In the Air") brings in the subject of witchcraft.
p. 205 of Prince Caspian - "Then three or four of the Red Dwarfs came forward with their tinder boxes and set light to the pile, which first crackled, and then blazed, and finally roared as a woodland bonfire on midsummer night ought to do. And everyone sat down in a wide circle around it.
"Then Bacchus and Silenus and the Maenads began a dance, far wilder than the dance of the trees, not merely a dance for fun and beauty (though it was that too) but a magic dance of plenty, and where their hands touched, and where their feet fell, the feast came into existence -- sides of roasted meat that filled the grove with delicious smell, and wheaten cakes and oaten cakes, honey and many-coloured sugars and cream as think as porridge, and as smooth as still water, peaches, nectarines, pomegranates, pears, grapes, strawberries, raspberries -- pyramids and cataracts of fruit. Then, in great wooden cups and bowls and mazers, wreathed with ivy, came the wines; dark, thick ones like syrups of mulberry juice, and clear red ones like red jellies liquefied, etc. ad nauseum

News Item12/9/05 8:58 AM
Engineer | USA
Next, we note that it says a woodland bonfire on midsummer night. This is not just any fire and not just A midsummer night. This is the real thing. A high day of sun worhip. This comes from the burning of the bones from the sacrifices in the bonfire (bone-fire) on the summer solstice. It is a sabbat of witchcraft as the marriage of the death goddess or moon goddess to the sun god. The days become shorter from this point as the sun god dies and is sent for his yearly visit to hell. On December 25th he will be reborn. (We can see that Lewis' theology fits well with the paganized Roman Catholic Church.)
Everyone sits in a circle around it. Again this is a powerful witchcraft symbol.
Another pagan/witchy thing is the wild, magic dance of plenty. Those of "The Craft"are famous for their magic dances.
Pomegranates are a symbol of fertility, and according to the Greeks sprang from the blood of Dionysus. (Cirlot, pg. 261) (Note: Remember Satan counterfeits what God does. Hence there were pomegranates used on the robes of High Priest in Exodus, and the devil corrupts their meaning to dirty the beautiful things of God.)

News Item12/9/05 8:58 AM
Engineer | USA
The fruit is stacked in a pyramid - a powerful witchcraft/Luciferian/Masonic symbol.
The whole thing, with Bacchus involved, sounds like a mixture of a typical English pagan/Wiccan midsummer night celebration and a Bacchus orgy.
It should be clear by now that C. S. Lewis was a master of combining many and varied heathen myths to develop his plots. Worst of all, this is for children! What horrible, ungodly things Lewis has introduced to them! It's too bad nobody ever explained to him the consequences of such behavior. Matthew 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Perhaps he would not have cared. Perhaps he had a known "calling" for his father the devil which he was willingly fulfilling. We will only know when he stands before the Almighty to be judged someday.
At this point it seems somewhat unnecessary to continue on with an in-depth study. The point has been made full well.

News Item12/9/05 8:28 AM
Don Quixote | 17th century Spain  
Twas I who "jousted" with the windmills forsooth.
For in truth they were giants.

(Or did you mean supporting the floorboards of the windmill)

"..Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of Heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes." Matt.11:25.


News Item12/9/05 7:57 AM
Craig | USA  
You are joisting with windmills. Don't use your anti-intellectualism to redefine sin. Our Lord died for elect academics.

News Item12/9/05 7:29 AM
Michael | Hixson, Tennessee  
From the article:
"I became a Catholic in no small part due to the writings of C.S. Lewis," Mr. Hottinger says. Hearing Lewis reflect reverently on the church's sacraments, Hottinger says, made him rethink and recommit: "I guess it was a reconversion I had by reading Lewis in those years."

There is something hugely amiss here but do we see it? The RCC teaches their 'eucharist' is literally Jesus Christ Himself physically present and command their members to worship the 'eucharist' literally falsely teaching and commanding their members to worship a lifeless piece of bread committing idolatry, committing blasphemy.

Prehaps we need to ask ourselves some serious questions and not just about C.S. Lewis. Will the Holy Spirit who teaches us and guides us into all the truth ever fill and empower and lead any Christian writer or leader to teach and influence others to disobey the Word of God and reinvent for themselves a 'Christianity' of their own making no matter how intellectual how popular it is with the world?

Or will the Precious Holy Spirit lead us into the Word of God to live by what He moved men to write for us, literally to live by the reveal truth of God as He is?

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