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Choice News MONDAY, NOV 29, 2004  |  19 comments
Eye-grabbing church sign ignites debate


A sign outside of the Church of the Nazarene in Sunnyvale reads "Why I am not a Muslim" Saturday, Nov. 27. The sign is promoting a talk by a Muslim person who converted to Christianity. AP Photo/ Marcio Jose Sanchez

SUNNYVALE, Calif. (AP) - Some church signs display passages of scripture to comfort, while others sport pithy expressions to challenge passers-by to stop and think.

Sometimes they go a bit further and ignite debate, such as the one in front of the Church of the Nazarene in this San Francisco suburb. It's promoting a Sunday sermon titled, "Why I am not a Muslim."

"I thought, 'That is an offensive sign, per se,'" said Jay Keller, who lives around the corner. "I work with a lot of Muslims and don't know why someone would put up a sign like that. They can't possibly be oblivious to the fact that it might be offensive to some people." ...


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News Item12/4/04 10:45 PM
In Christ  
Why limit the sign to just Muslims? Jews (those who deny Christ) and Budists and many others, Mormans, etc. positionally share the same standing as the Muslim.
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News Item12/4/04 9:06 PM
Neil | Tucson  
Jim, let us show no respect of persons, whether Jews or Gentiles. What does the perpetuity of Abrahamic covenants have to do with that? Isn't the 2nd Greatest Commandment enough for us?
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News Item12/4/04 5:00 PM
Jim | Nebraska  
Neil, I have never seen on any bulletin board a reasonable secular argument about Israel. I see condemnation of Israel of a nation compared the terrorist nations around it. I think I have made good points about the scientific and economic contributions Israel makes to the world.

Do you think that Christians would be any better off, if Israel wasn't there? I think we would be very much better off if we stopped giving money to the Arabs for oil. I'm glad Israel is around to prove that Islam is false. However, the existence of Christians irritates almost as much.

Finally, do you notice how the United States bows down to nuclear powers? Israel is a nuclear power, we should even be treating it better. You do not have to go far to see more comments about Israel, there are many on SermonAudio at the Indian Hills Community Church spot here on SermonAudio.

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News Item12/3/04 6:48 AM
Tony Borrelli | Philadelphia, Pa. USA  Contact via email
Bravo, Church of the Nazarene. When you are done with the Muslims, try inviting Jews for Jesus to put on a presentation on why they accept Jesus as Messiah, & reject the Talmud. THEN you'll see some protests brother!
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News Item12/2/04 5:53 PM
Mike | New York  
You're right, Chris.
It's not a church, it's a building. Whether or not the church is meeting inside is unknown.
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News Item12/2/04 4:49 PM
Neil | Tucson  
Bet that took a big "faith promise" drive to build, or a hefty loan. Perhaps God is impressed.
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News Item12/2/04 4:22 PM
Chris M | Australia  
I can't see the church in the photo - it's just an odd looking building with a picture of what looks like an airplane, and there is a sign out the front...
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News Item12/2/04 11:15 AM
Neil | Tucson  
Doug, the answer is simple - Christian Zionism, via C.I. Scofield, the Balfour Declaration, the U.N., Dallas Seminary, Charles Ryrie, and Hal Lindsey. It is almost impossible to have a sober discussion about Israel these days.
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News Item12/1/04 5:24 PM
Doug Fraser | Weatherford, Texas  Contact via email
It's unfortunate that signs are posted. Is it any wonder why there exists a chance to work with Muslims and demonstrate the "love" of Christ for all men. Is it any wonder why Palestinian Christians are also left unnoticed and their plight not uplifted in a great outpouring of prayer. No wonder many of these Christian brothers ask....why do you in the American Christian Church pray for Israel, but not your Palestinian Christian brothers. It's a popular saying that you and I need to answer...What Would Jesus Do....better yet, What Does Jesus Want You to Do Now?
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News Item11/30/04 11:24 PM
c k  
Ezra,
I believe that sign is in poor taste...pun intended.... But, I would go with "Why I'm not a Homosexual" or a direct quote from the Word of God on the issue, but I believe the throwing up the wrist and making gay slurs only adds to the problem. There are comments which cause wrath to be stirred up in contention and there are truths stated to edify which stir up wrath, but never should we belittle with bigoted, slanderous remarks which do more harm than good. We can maintain the biblical position and be firm in our belief that marriage is ordained institution of God and consists of a man and a woman. But it wouldn't be to effective to a gay man sitting in a church thinking about repenting and getting saved if the pastor stood up and said sarcastically "it was adam and eve, not adam and steve" Yet, speaking that same truth in love is quite effective without the malice and sarcasm.
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News Item11/30/04 8:45 PM
Neil | Tucson  
Jay Keller is being offensive (by his standards) in voicing negative opinions about the sign.
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News Item11/30/04 7:57 PM
Ezra  
How about this church sign:

"We have a Dairy Queen, we don't need a fairy queen."

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News Item11/30/04 5:43 PM
DJfan88 | Hyde Park Ma  
Today's quote goes along with these comments. "Let your hope of heaven master your fear of death." — William Gurnall coincidence? nah
faith and prayer yes
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News Item11/30/04 5:17 PM
anon 33k  
The Christian should choose to perish.

It is very hard for us to imagine such a situation, and to have the courage to see it through. I am convicted that God gives grace at the time of need, and does not allow us to be tempted beyond what we can bear.

That said, at a human level would I judge someone who fell into the temptation to convert? By no means, I would leave that with our heavenly Father.

I believe it was Thomas Cranmer who did fall into the sin of converting. By God's grace he recovered his faith, and when brought to trial once again God sustained him and gave him the grace, not just to face the fires, but to thrust his hand with which he had previously signed his recantation of the Protestant faith into the fire first. How great is our God!

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News Item11/30/04 4:30 PM
DJfan88 | Hyde Park Ma  
It sure would be a set example of "Why I am not a muslim" Mike. This is a scary world and it would take plenty of faith to step into the church that could be a target, more so than other non-muslim assemblies.
I cannot say if I have the courage to do the same thing. Maybe "Concerning the Muslim religion"

True, we must avoid obscuring the truth from the world.
Reminds me of a situation of if a Christian is commanded to convert or perish, what would he do?

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News Item11/29/04 5:05 PM
Mike | New york  
Good questions, anon 33k.

DJfan88- If a maniac terrorist showed up wielding a gun, knife or explosive device because of this sign, wouldn't that be a perfect example of "Why I am not a muslim"? (I know all muslims are not terrorists, but these days nearly all terrorists are muslim)

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News Item11/29/04 3:57 PM
anon 33k  
Why would this sign be considered offensive? It's outside a Christian church - they are not Moslems.

Is it now wrong to have a DEFENCE and REASON for what you believe and what you don't believe?

Shall we make apologetics a crime?

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News Item11/29/04 1:09 PM
ck  
shall the truth be veiled in political correctness? I think not.....to do so is to deny the gospel.....
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News Item11/29/04 12:31 PM
DJfan88 | Hyde Park Ma  
Certainly couragious to put up a sign like that, but also dangerous to have it up in the first place. This will probably attract some who are interested, some who are in disagreement, and maybe a vandel. Is there room to say that a maniac terrorist might show up looking like this wielding a gun or
knife or explosive device?
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