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Choice News FRIDAY, JAN 17, 2003  |  13 comments
Baptist church's sign has Muslims outraged

Jacksonville --- The Council on American-Islamic Relations-Florida is calling on state religious leaders to repudiate a Jacksonville Baptist church's roadside sign the group claims is anti-Muslim.

The sign outside the First Conservative Baptist Church in Jacksonville's Mandarin area reads: ''Jesus Forbade Murder. Matthew 26:52. Muhammad Approved Murder. Surah 8:65.''

Altaf Ali, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations-Florida, said his organization attempted to talk with the Baptist church's officials about the sign, but were rebuffed with belligerent language.

''All Americans must band together to condemn hate speech designed to divide our nation along religious and ethnic lines,'' Ali said. ''Any attempt to marginalize or vilify one religious community is an attack on all people of faith.'' ...

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News Item2/2/03 12:22 PM
Walt  Contact via email
Some interesting commentary about Islam, Muslims and the word Christian(s).

Denise, I understand your desire to approach all Muslims and others with respect and a sense of compassion. Paul said, "As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith (Gal.6:10)" and "And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you: To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints (1Thes.3:12-13)."

A mature Christian in the faith should seek out the most effective manner in which to weed out the sin and corruption in our own lives, and the lives of our brethren. I for one, after traveling more than 20 countries, came to the conclusion that we owe our duty to God first and man second. Our obligations to the first four commandments were foundational to our understanding and practice of those duties we owe mankind in the remaining six commandments. In my own life, and lives of other great Christians I study, it is a man's (or woman's) love and worship of God first that is most important. Through our focus on the first four commandments, and study of various helps and aides in understanding these first four, we are blessed by a holy God with knowledge, understanding and wisdom of how to properly implement the last six commandments.

We owe a duty to our fellow man to be kind, compassionate and honest in our dealings. Our speech should be seasoned with salt and our demeanor should be a light unto others. We should "try" to bring others to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ, knowing at all times it is only the Father, through our Lord Jesus Christ, that ultimately effectually calls only those who will make up the true bride of our heavenly husband. Many are called, but few are chosen. Once we are born again, and truly justified with a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ, we need to work out our santification unto holiness and blamelessness before the Lord and others. There comes a time in each of our lives that we know, absolutely know, that we have reached the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ.

Each and every Roman Catholic believes in Jesus Christ, as do Mormons and other sects of Christianity. Some teach a simple profession of faith that Jesus Christ is Lord will go to heaven. Little do they know of scripture, or what great ministers who were called to be our teachers taught us sheep. We have taken it upon ourselves to be all knowing gods, as each of us do not like to be told what is truth or what is false truth. No, we are all free and independent believers in Jesus! Even Rome declares to the world that Jesus Christ is God. Even Islam declares that Jesus Christ was a good man and was one of the better prophets of old, but nothing compared to the holiest of all Prophets, God's only true chosen, Mohamet.

The Larger Catechism (1648) says it best:

Q.61. Are all they saved who hear the gospel, and live in the visible church?
A. All that hear the gospel, and live in the visible church, are not saved; but they only who are true members of the church invisible (Jn.12:38-40, Rom.9:6, Matt.22:14, Matt.7:21, Rom.11:7).

Q.68. Are the elect only effectually called?
A. All the elect, and they only, are effectually called (Acts.13:48); although others may be, and often are, outwardly called by the ministry of the word (Matt.22:14), and have some common operations of the Spirit (Matt.7:22, Matt.13:20-21, Heb.6:4-6); who, for their willful neglect and contempt of the grace offered to them, being justly left in their unbelief, do never truly come to Jesus Christ (Jn.12:38-40, Acts.28:25-27, Jn.6:64-65, Ps.81:11-12).

We must come to a knowledge that the souls and everlasting life of our brothers and sisters are in danger of Rome and Islam. Together, they are going to take millions into hell through false doctrine, discipline, worship and government.

If the evangelists wish to call themselves "follower of Christ" rather than Christian, so be it. Most of them know not their history, nor their knowledge of scripture or human testimony of the great reformers and ministers whose blood was shed for standing firm as fellow Christians. We, as mere men, know not scripture like we must, but like Rome are the antiChrist through our thoughts, words and deeds unto our heavenly Husband.

Stand firm in your Christian calling Denise, and know that our prayers are with you.


News Item1/31/03 12:09 PM
Peter Forden | Sweden  Contact via email
Mr Lafleche's opinions about the RC church is interesting, irrespective as to the baptist churches sign, which incidentally is correct in its statement, The RC church of the crusades was a completely different church than that of the time of the murderor and jew hater Luther(or today), the man who enjoyed drowning baptists because they didnt agree with him, The Fact is that the crusades were a populist movement by those who were being threatened by the Islamic invasions of europe, they reached as far north as Poitiers in France until Pepin threw them back into Spain, the bible speaks of Rome as being drunk with blood true, however that Rome happened to be pagan Rome of the anti-christian idol worshippers of the period, not the Rome of the roman bishop of centuries later, if you are going to cite scripture atleast manage to get your religions and centuries to actually match instead of missing them by several hundred years. Your bigotry is not worthy of Our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ, I am ashamed that you call yourself Christian, anyone who confesses the Lord Jesus according to Romans (Romans -Rome...)cannot be considered as anything else than a chrstian irrespective as to their sub beliefs, look at yourself spewing hatred of RCs did Jesus die for them? if so who gave you the right to hate them?
Peter Forden

News Item1/29/03 3:28 PM
W. B. Owens | Memphis, TN  
I concur with Denise. During a November 2002 evangelism trip to the Netherlands, I was informed by the missionaries I worked with that we were not able to use the term "Christian" as an effective ministry tool. Furthermore, we were instructed to use the phrase "Follow of Christ". Indeed, the term "Christian" has lost its meaning to Europe, the Middle East, and I dare say the United States. Many claim to be Christians but the idea of actually being "born again" or living for Christ escapes them.

"If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth." (1 John 1:6)


News Item1/29/03 1:29 PM
Denise | UAE  
The muslims view the whole western world as 'Christian'. Since they are born and raised in Islam a religion that dominates every detail of their lives, it is almost inconceivable for them to consider that someone does NOT have a religion. This is a great hindrance in reaching them: they look at the decadance and sin of the west and see it as 'Christian' and that includes the past atrocities. That is why they consider their religion superior morally etc. The fact that we know that true Christians are 'born again' and not just professing, that they live holier lives by the power of God beyond what they are capable of is something that unfortunately escapes the great majority of them.

News Item1/28/03 2:48 PM
Denise Kristiansson | UAE  
Mr. Lafleche - Sir I did not say that Christians commited these atrocities I said they were done IN THE NAME of the Saviour. If you judge me as ignorant of Christ and the gospel which I have served abroad for over 30 years so be it. You are not my judge. The words I have written on history is fact and not my own conjecture.
To Walt - Yes Sir I am acquainted with eschatology and the four different views of interpretation of Revelation, et. al. I am well acquainted with the army of locust etc. , etc. This was NOT the point of my objection. I was speaking as one who knows how muslims reason around the Bible and their objections to the testimony of Christ and Christianity as a religion. I have spoken to those whom the Lord is calling out from among them. They make dedicated and whole-hearted converts. Thank you for your prayers for my safety! Denise

News Item1/28/03 4:59 AM
David Lafleche | Woonsocket, Rhode Island  Contact via email
Denise, you know nothing about true Christianity, and even less about history; otherwise, you would not have slandered the Lord Jesus Christ like that.
The murders of which you speak were not committed by Christians. They were committed by ROMAN CATHOLICS. The Roman Catholic Cult is, by far, the most dangerous terrorist organization in the world; always was, always will be. That is why Revelation 17 describes Rome as being "drunk with blood."
For you to pin the crimes of that filthy, idol-worshipping, Satanic CULT on us is an insult to the Lord Jesus Christ and to all true Christians everywhere.

News Item1/27/03 5:55 PM
W. B. Owens | Memphis, TN  
Right or wrong, this sign should not have been displayed.

Nothing positive was accomplished by the publishing of this exclamation. While I agree with previous points from Trish and Mr. Spannagel, it seems to me that this sign has caused more resentment among those we are trying to reach. I am all for standing up for the Bible and what it says is truth, and condemning what is false. Sometimes though, it seems we are trying to "protect" our gospel rather than trying to give it away. Even so, as noted by Ms. Kritiansson, we need to be careful not to overlook our own historical realities. Or else, if any one of you is without sin, throw the first stone.

Stand up for Jesus, just be more tactful. We are trying to bring more people into the family, and you catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar.


News Item1/26/03 10:27 AM
Walt | Michigan  Contact via email
Although I do not agree with the sort of tactic used by the baptist minister above, I would like Denise to explain further her understanding of scripture.

Denise, are you familiar with eschatology?

Do you believe that the scripture reveals any information on what some reformers taught as the great eastern antichrist and the great western antichrist?

If so, can you explain who is being spoken about in the book of Joel?

Don't forget in our age who has brought the greatest threat against God's elect around the world...historical testimony needs to be used as a subordinate standard to biblical testimony.

I pray for your safety and peace in UAE.


News Item1/26/03 6:23 AM
Denise Kritiansson | Ruwais UAE  
Since most muslims are well acquainted with the Bible, we believe in and uphold, they can be quick to point out all of the direct commands for murdering in the OT (the conquest of Cannan for instance.) Let us not forget the murdering, butchering and canabalisim done in the name of our precious Saviour under the crusades. Have people been murdered in Christ's name? How about the inquisition and the 50 + million lives attributed to the RCC in causing martyrdom? This Pastor has set himself up for a fall with this kind of comment. This kind of advert does not seem credible to the follower of Islam. The 'Christian' west world has murdered, tortured, displaced and persecuted more Jews than the muslims ever did. They lived in a somewhat peaceful co-exsistence with the jews until the State of Israel. Let's take a better look at history in all honesty please!

News Item1/25/03 9:10 PM
David Lafleche | Woonsocket, Rhode Island  Contact via email
That Muslim cleric has "CHRISTIAN FRIENDS"??? Well, what kind of "friend" would cheerfully allow a man to worship the Devil (aka, "Allah")???
Besides, if Islam does NOT condone murder, then why are those dirty thieves killing Jewish people, and stealing the land Jesus gave them? They call it "PEACEFUL jihad"! Yeah, sure! Islam is "peaceful" like a flame is cold!!!

News Item1/24/03 9:21 AM
chas carter | mesa arizona  Contact via email
Pray for all Muslims that God will reveal to them the fact of Mohammed's deceptions and the lie that is Islam!

News Item1/19/03 11:26 AM
Jim spannagel | NEW HAMPTON, NEW YORK  Contact via email
Two quotes, one from the Holy Scripture and one from the Quran. What could be more enlightening?
Thank God for men of courage such as Pastor Youngblood, it seems rare in pastors today.
The church is all too timid in these times, some might say inflammatory, I'd say truth.

News Item1/19/03 10:19 AM
It is strange how it is always considered hate speach if it is from the Bible, but it is not considered hate speach if it is from any other religion... they call that freedom of speach!
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