The following program is recorded content created by The Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live! Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at karm.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers. Taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. This is the Matt Slick Live. I hope you're going to have a good time listening. Maybe I'll have a good time talking, too. You never know. It'll work out. Hey, if you want to give me a call, all you got to do is dial 877-207-2276. And if you're interested in emailing me, You can do that as well. All you have to do is just go to info at karm.org. Email me at info at karm.org and we can get into stuff I read. Sometimes I'll just go over the emails because a lot of times there are good questions that come in and we have lots. Right now we only have 278 emails in that email box. Let's see, in the staff one, we have 218. And one of my personal ones, 873. Hey, look at that. And another one, 643. Oh, and another one, 581. Even my private one is inundated. Yeah, so there's just a lot, just a lot to do. And anyway, I chuckle about it because there's so much. Hey. How are you doing out there in Radioland? I hope you're all having a good time and a good day. And if you want to give me a call, like I said, 877-207-2276. I like to talk to you about the Lord, about the truths of who He is, what He has done. Today, I was working on the Bible study for tonight. I'll be teaching through the Book of Romans, going through Romans 3, or 4, excuse me. And I also was starting to develop a doctrine, kind of a table. on Christological heresies. I thought I did something like that before. I really couldn't find it, but I'm doing one. And if I do find the old one, I'll expand it. But that's what I've been doing is working on that, you know, like Marcionism and Apollinarianism, Miaphysitism compared with Monophysitism. What's the difference? What are the similarities? Yeah, just stuff like that. For me, it's a good time. I'm made for this. I love this kind of stuff. I love the theology. dealing with all the stuff. I do. I enjoy it. All right. Hey, if you want to give me a call, all you got to do is dial 877-207-2276. And why don't we just get on the air with Nancy from Ohio. Nancy, welcome. You're on the air. Hi, Matt. I know that Catholics are not as high as Christians, How about the Lutherans? I know they're from the Catholic Church. Well, it's hard to say because Lutheranism is not a single thing. There are many denominations inside of Lutheranism, and so we can't say, oh, you know, blanket statement, they're all good, they're all that. I went to a Lutheran College, LCMS, Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod, and I learned a lot of stuff there. I had a good time being exposed to theology, and from what I could tell, they love the Lord, and they're justified by faith. They kind of add this idea of baptism, not as a means of salvation, but as a kind of a connector of the grace of God upon people. So it's almost like they're dipping a toe in the Catholic pond, but they're not immersed in it. So I would say, you know, they're saved for the most part. Some of them are pretty bad. There was one group I encountered there that if you weren't a member of their particular Lutheran subset denomination, then you were not a true Christian. I remember having a conversation with some of them. And I also have questions about some others. Are Episcopalians classified as Christians? Episcopalianism is generally known as being very liberal, and I just generally say, generally speaking, that Episcopalians are not in the faith. It's not to say that there might be, you know, probably some Christians in there, but Episcopalianism holds to some not so good things, let's just say. Okay. Okay, how about Seventh-day Adventists? Yeah, you want to stay away from them. Okay, they connected with Jehovah's Witness. No, they're not connected with Jehovah's Witnesses, though they had a kind of ancient origin, similar origin in the Millerite movement and some other things that in the 1800s that kind of manifested. And there's a lot of dots to connect in that, but no, they're not affiliated. They, like the Jehovah's Witnesses, deny eternal conscious torment. They both say that Jesus is Michael the Archangel, except the J-Dubs say that he's an angel who became a man, but the SDA say that Michael the Archangel is Jesus, the pre-incarnate form. that he's appeared as an angelic form. They're wrong, but it doesn't make that particular doctrine heretical. And then we have the doctrine... Go ahead. Go ahead. I was going to say the doctrine of the investigative judgment, and this is where it really gets dicey, because apparently in the SDA movement with investigative judgment, salvation is dependent upon God's examination of you, of what you have done in your life. Okay, now Pentecostal, are they Christian? Depends on which. There are some Pentecostals that are good and some that are bad. United Pentecostal is not Christian, but you can have some Pentecostals who are Trinitarian and just are hyper charismatic, but they're still saved because they trust in Christ. But some Pentecostal movements are just so over emotional and some deny the Trinity and things like that. So it just depends on which subgroup. OK, how about Nazarene? Nazarenes are going south. I wouldn't recommend anybody go to the Nazarene church because they're ordaining women and they are moving toward accepting homosexuality. OK, there's a college near me, too. Oh, about Presbyterian. depends on which Presbyterian so the OPC PCA are good but the PC USA is not so like like Lutheranism there's good ones and bad ones within the overall umbrella okay and how about Church of Christ stay away from Church of Christ non-christian cult okay Church of God There's different churches of God. Some of them hold to Seventh-day Sabbath keeping. If they require it as a means of salvation, then it's a cult. If they don't, they just say they want to do it because they want to honor God and think that's what it is, then that's okay. They're not a cult. They tend to be a little legalistic and teach you can lose your salvation like the other ones do. So there's some problems there, but I've met some Church of God people who are We're good. Then there's a Church of God movement that came out of the Herbert W. Armstrong movement, and that was a cult. And then some separated out of it to call it Church of God. And there's another group called the Church of God, and another group called the Church of God. So it's hard to say. Okay, how about Methodist? Methodists are generally are good Christians. United Methodist is bad. It's just very liberal women pastors and elders and homosexuality is okay as long as you're sincere and things like that you'll be okay. So it's the United Methodism but generally speaking Methodists are within the faith. How about the Amish, the Mennonites and the Quakers? Depends on which groups because there are there's even a little bit of variation in Amish and the Mennonites in fact I've met Mennonites here and I've talked to them theologically and then they love the Lord and the Quakers I've talked to some Quakers also depending on a particular group That you're involved with it may or may not be good or bad They are what's called an inner light kind of a group in that they don't really prep Sermons they affirm the Trinity and they preach and just wait for the movement of the Spirit upon them. This kind of thing can lead to problems because they're not very systematically inclined. So within the Quakers, there are some, let's just say, some good variations and bad variations, just like the other two that we mentioned. Okay, how about independent? Depends on independent what? So there's a lot of independent churches. Generally, they're pretty good. Generally, but not always. When you say that the ones that are going, let's say, I'm just going to use Mormons as an example, which are not Christian, that they still, since they're in that faith, even though they're probably in that faith because their whole family's been in it, and they really don't realize what's going on, that's no excuse. They still will not go to heaven, correct? Correct. Yep. Well, I thank you very much, and I'll let you get on to other questions from other people, and I thank you. Sure, no problem at all. God bless. All right. Oh, that was quick and slick. Hey, let's get to Anne from North Carolina. Anne, welcome. You are on the air. Hello. Hi. I was talking with a priest today because my mom is 90, and she I think she's fearful about purgatory, but she won't listen to anything that I say. And so I was asking about the doctrine, and he was saying it is a place of purging so that we can enter into the Holy. of God, and I don't agree with any of that, but I wanted to hear your comment. Yeah, it's heresy. Yeah, purgatory is a false doctrine from the pit of hell, and it teaches that those who died in Catholicism and have not had the last saving graces imputed into them or infused into them to the sacramental system, blah, it makes me sick. they go to purgatory and are relieved of varying problems by the sufferings that they go through. So it's a means of purification and stuff. So they can have their sins expiated in purgatory. To expiate means to relieve, to remove, to take care of. So it says in Second Vatican Council, page 63, it says, must be expiated. This may be done on this earth through the sorrows, miseries, and trials of this life, and above all, through death. Otherwise, the expiation must be made in the next life through fire and torments or purifying punishments. So, and I can go on. It's a damnable doctrine. It is just such an evil doctrine. The Roman Catholic Church needs to repent of its many false doctrines and false teachings. So, let me give you some advice on how to talk to your mom, okay? Don't attack Purgatory because she's too entrenched in the heresies and the lies of the Roman Catholic Church. Just talk to her about the need to trust in Christ. Focus on the trust in Christ. She might say she prays to Mary. She might say she prays to the saints. I don't know how much longer she's got or what her condition is. But the situation is that you need to talk about Christ. Point her to Jesus and say, Jesus is the one who has all authority in heaven and earth. He forgives our sins. And Jesus says to come to him. And you ask her, have you come to Christ? Have you asked him to forgive you? And if she says, no, I go to the priest or whatever, you know, that blasphemous idiocy, then just politely just say, well, but Jesus said, and just keep focusing on Jesus. You don't have to talk about much of anything else because the thing we want to get her to do is to trust Christ, not the Catholic church for their salvation, not the sacraments, but Jesus. So focus on that. And it'll take weeks, you know, and politely. And hopefully she'll reach out to Christ alone and trust in Him and not the false doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church. OK? Thank you so much. You're welcome so much. All right, well, God bless. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages. As you can hear the music, if you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Hey, welcome back everybody. If you want to give me a call, we have a couple open lines, 877-207-2276. Also, you can email me at info at karm.org if you have a question. If you don't want to be on the air, I want to give thanks to Kit for a Rumble Rant of $5. Thanks Mr. Kit, appreciate that. He's been supporting us off and on like that. You can do the same thing. It's easy. Well, I guess it's easy. You've got to sign up with Rumble, though. Rumble.com is where we're having a lot of our videos sent. Because YouTube, let's just say, censors us periodically. Because if you don't walk lockstep with the liberal left, then they proclaim tolerance while they're shutting you up. Yeah. All right. Let's get on the air with Jamal from North Carolina. Welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Mr. Slick, how you doing today, sir? Oh man, by God's grace, doing well. What do you got, buddy? Good deal. Glad you're doing well. Um, got kind of a softball question for you today. Um, when people are talking about, I'm praying for you or I pray that, uh, this works out or that works out, but those kinds of casual prayers, do we still have to say in Jesus name for it to be valid? Or can we just say, I'm praying for you, and God will accept that? If you're a true Christian, all your prayers are valid because they're already covered by Christ. You don't have to say the formula in Jesus' name because that isn't what makes it valid. It's the work of Christ and our faith in Christ that makes it valid. But we just have a habit of saying, well, in the name of Christ, which means by His authority. And it's a nice habit. It's how I end my prayers, because if I don't end my prayers that way, I still feel like I'm in it. So that's what I say. It's just a habit. That's all. It's no big deal. One of my brothers once told me he had a friend who would never say, in Jesus' name, because he never wanted to imply an ending of the prayer. He always wanted to be in prayer with the Lord. And I never forgot that, although it was kind of interesting. Yeah, that is interesting. Okay, well, that was it. As you say, quick and slick. That's right, quick and slick. I like that. God bless, sir. God bless, man. Talk to you later. All right, now let's get on the air with Courtney from Ohio. Hey, Courtney, now you're on the air. Welcome. Hey, so I have a question. I don't know if you've been asked this yet or not, but I was wondering, have you heard about this? I don't know if I'm saying it right, Asbury or Ashbury Revival or something like that. I was just wondering if you've heard of it and what you thought of it. I've heard of it, don't know anything about it. I can't be there to go check it out. I don't know if it's legit, don't know if it's not. People can sometimes be over emotional and it can be a pseudo revival, but it could also be legitimate. God can certainly do things. I know Christians in this country are praying. For revival, I have been too. So if the Lord's going to start, He can start where He wants to start me, I would think it would be better in a Reformed church instead of Asbury. That's just my choice, which just tells you that God doesn't listen to me. If it's legit, then praise God. But we need to look at the fruit of what it is. The fruit of, so to speak, revival is repentance, is confession of sin, is humility before God and before others, the proclamation of the person and work of Christ. A lot of times revivals are scheduled. I remember where I used to live, I'd drive by this one place and it said, Revival, Tuesday the 23rd, 6 p.m. It's like, what? How do you schedule the Holy Spirit to be there like that? I always got a kick out of that because it was ridiculous. So we kind of call revival, as a word, to designate a movement of the Spirit corporately on people. It's like an Acts chapter 2 thing. The Spirit of God fell upon people. They're speaking in tongues. Not that it can or doesn't have to happen or will or not, but that the movement of the Spirit is there. And the Spirit bears witness of Christ. So if any revival, so to speak, is not Christ-centered, that brings repentance and dedication to Him, then I would say it's not true. So I don't know about Osbury, though. We'll hope it is. All right. Yeah. Okay. That was a great answer. Um, can I piggyback on that or do you need to get the next person? Oh, I don't need to, but go ahead. Well, um, I, I know you get tons of calls, so you probably won't remember. Uh, so I'll remind you a question that I had in the past. Um, it was about a guy that would not say, the holy spirit he would only take a look at but he would never take the and i thought it was odd and i called and i asked you about it and you're like yeah that's weird and told me how uh... like oftentimes cult do that twenty-eight i'd look a little bit more into the guy that was doing it and i found out he's a part of something called and a are and i was like uh... well i figured you would say that i've got a little article about it and it didn't sound great and so i thought i was like wow how amazing i mean i think that was like the lord helping me notice something was off just because of one little word that he was leaving out which is v you know he wouldn't say v holy spirit i was like i thought that was so strange and um so what exactly is nar new apostolic reformation and it teaches that there's prophets and apostles for today and that the apostles are supreme over the prophets and that God wants to work, there's the seven mountain prophecy of God's seven epics and seven desires and movements in society that he wants to take hold of and to bring Christianity to the forefront in control of all of society. It's a kind of a mild theonomic system that pushes the authority of the apostles and the prophets that go out to churches and regularly get words of wisdom and knowledge and such things from God and then they direct the other churches. So this is part of the problem with it and it's led into some bad stuff. Okay, so and so what about the part like what about where it does talk about like word of knowledge and word of wisdom? And that when is that? Okay, because that is mentioned in the New Testament. When is that? Okay. Well, the cessationists would say it's never okay. I'm not a cessationist, I'm a continuationist. I believe that it is okay. But we must be very careful about this so-called movement of the Spirit of God, where people speak in tongues, jump up and down, swing from the chandeliers, you know, gotta buy a Honda, it goes on and then they interpret it to me, whatever. So there's a lot of fake stuff that goes out there. But I see nothing in scripture that says that the gifts have ceased. Non-older people disagree with me. We can talk about that. No, I don't agree with you. Yeah. I just think that exactly what you said. I think that they're still going, but I feel like if there's false prophets out there, then there must be that kind of stuff off, too. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you're right. You're right. There's a lot like that. And so the thing is that I don't have any problem, for example, if I went to a church, someone says, hey, come visit my church. And someone got up and spoke in tongues. OK. And if someone speaks and then there's no interpretation, then the right thing to do is they don't do that anymore. And that would all be in order. I don't have any problem with that. And I can get into more, but we have a break coming up. So you want to hold? Can we have a break? OK. Hey, folks, three open lines if you want to give me a call. 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome back. Let's get back on here with Courtney. All right, Courtney, there you go. All right. Well, OK, so two more questions that have to do with what I asked you before. So like, when I heard a little bit about these NAR or whatever, I heard that they call themselves DARPAusles. And I was like, all right, that's just ridiculous. Um, and that they use the passion translation. So I looked that up and that just seems very odd. Like some of the scriptures that I read, it's like they use the same words, but like they move them around and they don't really say what they normally say in the Bible. Is that true? What do you think of that translation? Yes, I've written on that as well, the Passion Translation. And let's see, there's lots of problems with it. And you can actually go to CARM, and you can look it up, the Passion Translation. So, I have some notes in there, wicked are included in God's plan, but the NSB says that God made the wicked for the day of evil. So, for example, Proverbs 16, the Lord has made everything for its own purpose, even the wicked for the day of evil. And it says even the wicked are included in his plans. Or in Matthew 7.23 where Jesus says, Get away from me, I never knew you. Depart from me, you practicers of lawlessness. In their, so to speak, translation, I've never been joined to you. It's stupidity. It's an idiocy. It's false. Yeah, they're playing with the Word of God. Here's another one. This is Mark 115, which says, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe the gospel. That's Mark 115. In the Passion Translation, his message was this, At last the fulfillment of the age has conveyed. It is time for the realm of God's kingdom to be experienced in its fullness. Turn your lives back to God, and put your trust in the hope-filled gospel. It's like twice as many words. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And then Mark 4, 10 through 12. It could go on and on. It's there. I got a lot of examples out of there. It is. OK. The NAR is not to be trusted. Not to be trusted. OK. Or the Passion Translation. Yeah. Do not trust the Passion Translation. Absolutely do not. Yeah. I thought it sounded really weird. Okay, and then the last thing with the Asbury, and then I'll let you go. So, um, I heard somebody say for that, for the revival, that nobody was in charge. Like, nobody was really, um, you know, like a pastor or somebody in charge of it. They were just letting the Holy Spirit have his way. Isn't somebody supposed to be in charge? So that you just don't have... Bedlam? Chaos? Well, God is in charge, and the scriptures are the things we submit to. What they are doing is moving themselves in place of the scriptures through their prophecies and authority. And this is what's bad. It's what's dangerous. So it's like Catholicism. You know, different groups, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christianity, Baha'i Islam, hold up. What they'll do is place something between God and them. Their prophet, their church, their tradition, their whatever it is. And that's what's happening there. So it's bad and whenever you do that kind of a thing, you don't stick with scripture, then you're going to have problems. And that's what you have. It's just bad. Okay. Excellent point. All right. Thanks, Matt. You're welcome. OK, God bless you. All right. Bye bye. OK, bye. All right. Let's get to let's see. Next longest waiting is let's see, Lissardo from North Carolina. Welcome. You are on the air. Hi, thanks for taking my call. Mm hmm. Sure. It's in reference to Psalm 22. OK, it's Jesus in the cross literally is quoted in Psalm 22. My first question would be, Psalm 22 from beginning to end, is that the life of Jesus? Does it talk about him? No. It's in reference to the crucifixion because Psalm 22 describes the crucifixion. A thousand BC and 600 or hundreds of years before crucifixion was even invented. That's what's going on there. Okay. Yeah. But it's, it's, um, prophetic, uh, about Jesus, right? Yeah. That's what it is. Absolutely. Okay. All right. Can you talk a little bit about, uh, there's one word that kind of jumps out from psalm 22 and it is when it talks about being a worm, the Tolaat. Can you talk about that? Well, I'm a worm and not a man who reproaches men. Here's the thing. If you want to say, you've got to be careful here to say that every single thing in Psalm 22 is about Jesus. Not necessarily. You'll have a lot of exposition in the Old Testament, and then the Holy Spirit will work through that writer to write a sentence or a paragraph that refers to Christ, ultimately. And then you extract it out of that, and because the Holy Spirit does that, And so we've got to be careful. So when it talks here about being a worm, what we would say is that it's probably just talking as a cry of anguish. The psalmist is writing. And then the Holy Spirit moved over the psalmist to include the issues of the prophetic nature of the crucifixion. OK? Let me see. Let me see. Because, I mean, when you look up the term in the original language, it's Tolaat. And when you see what type of, it's a specific kind of worm from that area, it's very revealing when you read about that worm. I don't know if you've done that. Yes, I understand. It's red. It's red. It's Hokus Elysis. And everything that it does, just very dramatic because it reflects the sacrifice. Yes, it does. I understand that. And it says in Psalm 226, I am a worm and not a man. That wouldn't apply to Christ because he is a man. He is a man, but he was scarred and deformed with the torture and he pretty much went as low as he could to save us, right? His suffering was greater than any other suffering that anyone has ever had. I would assume so. I would assume that's the case. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, thank you. That's very helpful. Sure. Well, no problem at all. Okay. God bless. God bless you. You too. Thanks. Bye. All right. Let's see. Next longest waiting person is John from Virginia. John, welcome. You're on the air. How you doing? Doing all right. Hanging in there. So what do you got? Wonderful. So my question is about two scriptures. I was looking for the one, but I can't come up with it, but I know what it says. It says, If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thine heart that God has raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. And then Romans 10, 9 also says, For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. So with those two verses and a few more, I wanted to get your thoughts on a lot of pastors are actually leading people to Christ through a silent prayer that has never... I don't have a problem with praying to God silently and God hears my prayer and this, that, and the other. But with the scriptures that I read, I just have a problem with an initial center that is lost. saying a silent prayer to themselves, to God, to be saved. And I'm just having a hard time getting past that. Can you, you know, can you talk about that? Sure. Let's do that. So let's say that there's a man on his deathbed and he's got a tube down his throat and the minister comes in and gives him the gospel and he receives the gospel and he can't talk. What about a person who's mute and isn't able to speak and can't hear, doesn't know how to speak? What about young children before they speak and they die? See, what we're talking about here, and what you were quoting was Romans 10, 9, and 10. If you confess with your mouth, it does not say you must confess with your mouth. It doesn't say that. It says if you do that, and you believe in your heart that God raised you to the dead, you'll be saved. It doesn't say this is the only means. A verbal confession is what's necessary. You can do it in your heart. People can be saved on their deathbed without speaking. They can be driving and just talking in their hearts to the Lord. I'll tell you a story about that in a little bit. We'll be right back, folks, after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome back to the show, the last segment of the hour. Let's get to... Uh-oh, wait a minute. Hold on. Let me get back to John from Virginia. Sorry about that, John. You still there? That's all good. Okay. Yes. All right. So, I don't know, did I answer the question for you sufficiently? you'd be at all i was reading no actually romans in eight above on nine and ten minutes is but what's left of it the word is not the even in that mile and in that hall that he is the word of faith which we preach and then it goes on to say that thou shalt confess so it may be that agreeing with what you're saying by that verse in the mouth, you could say it with your mouth or in the heart. Yeah, it's not the verbal proclamation that makes you saved. It's an appeal to God. God grants we have faith, Philippians 129. So he's working that. And so we're trusting in him. That's what's going on. We're just trusting him. And what he's doing is talking normatively. Confess it. Don't hide it. But a mute person couldn't do that then, could they? I understand that, but my question was, and I'm riding the train with you, I understand where you went with it, but all I'm trying to say is in the church situation, probably 100% of the people is probably not going to fall into that category. I understand that God can save and do however he pleases as long as someone is calling on him and confessing that, you know, whether it's in your heart, and somebody led them through that i have no problem with leaving that if that's your only way but it is a good if there is not necessary to talk to her situation and and it's not necessary to have to say the word to me you know your first initial uh... and and you're able to speak and talk your first initial trying to convert going to convert to a christian should be Verbally with your mouth it well, I would say this that it's good to verbally confess Christ but what if you're driving along and You're listening to music Christian music I knew of a woman who just happened to her listen to Christian music She pulled off the freeway and just said God. I want what what that what's there? I want who that is I want to serve you. Count me in on that. And the person instantly had a revelation that came out of the Mormon church. She said she's a Mormon. She instantly knew Mormonism was false and became a Christian. So she didn't confess. Count me in on that. Okay, but I'm saying she didn't confess the same words. Don't make it into a legalistic formula. You've got to say these words, and you have to verbalize it. This is how cults get started. We would say, normally speaking, yeah, you want to talk about the Lord and confess unto people. Let people know. That's not a problem. But a mute person or a person on a deathbed, no, they can't do that. And so they're not saved because of that. What Paul's doing is just talking normally. I don't have a problem with believing that. I believe that as well. Okay, but thank you for your time. I appreciate that. Hey, no problem at all. John. You have a blessed evening. You too. God bless. Thanks. Okay. All right. Let's get to Chris from Dallas. Chris, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, what's up, Matt? What's up? Not a whole bunch. Just kind of whatevering on radio. Love it. Um, I heard you, uh, a podcast. I think it was like Andrew Rapp sports. Mm hmm. You were talking about the occult and how you were dabbling in that. I know it's a little anecdotal, but I'm really curious. You said that you saw a gold cross illuminated, and someone like me, who is the ultimate skeptic, I've been tempted to just dive deep into that kind of stuff, just because I have trouble believing that it's even real. And I'm a believer, and that's something I've really thought of. So yeah, I'm curious if you could expound on that. Sure, let me give you about a one or two minute little thing, all right? So before I was born, my mom would have these dreams of a man coming to her in her sleep. He had a dark hat, a black hat, a white long-sleeved shirt rolled up to the elbows, black slacks, black shoes. She would see him in this dream and she'd be terrified. She'd wake up. And he would walk through a wall and stare at her at the bed. And this happened for about two years, off and on, every few weeks. My dad couldn't see him and whatever. So my mom was, she was smart. She had a higher IQ than I do. She was very intelligent, could read a thousand words a minute, 80% comprehension. She's brilliant. And so I asked her, come on mom, was it sleep deprivation, you know, pregnancy drugs, you know, abducted by an alien, whatever. I went through all this stuff. She said, no, no, no, no, no. So I believed her that she was seeing something legitimate. They moved a couple of times or two or three times because they were in the service and that was in the Air Force at the time. And so, you know, it happened in different places. All right, so the last time this appeared, this person appeared, was when I was born and then I came and she woke up and this guy went over and looked at me in the crib and stared at me in the crib and my dad, you know, woke my dad up and said, what you doing? Just looking at Matthew. Well, you know, doing anything? No, just looking. And then he would go and turn the light on and this guy would disappear. And that was it. Well, that's kind of spooky. OK, I can't verify that. But years later, when I was involved in the occult, and I had a friend named Dave, who I'm still friends with. We were doing occult stuff. He's a Christian now, too. And he would do astral projection. I could never quite get there. I get close, but he said he could. I said, I'm going to test it. I'm going to put some stuff on my desk in my room, because we're in high school at the time. And I said, you astral project over, and you tell me. And when I have these things, we go to school tomorrow. And he goes, OK. So the next day at school, I said, well, what did you see? And he said, well, I couldn't come over. I'm like, yeah, right. And he said, because there was this man. I said, what do you mean a man? He said, yes, this man was there by your door and wouldn't let me in. What? Yeah, he had a black hat on and long sleeve shirt with sleeves rolled up to his elbows and black pants and black shoes. I never told him about that. But he's described it intensely. Okay. Then, when I would have my seances and my stuff in the Kram and see with my friends, we would see lights move, we'd hear voices. I've heard a voice before, specifically. And then, now we'll get down to this. With my friend Dave, we're having a seance. I'll tell you that you can believe it or you don't have to believe it if you don't want I'm not lying to you I've never done drugs my entire life. I've never smoked pot. I've never done anything. I didn't drink nothing and We were having this seance and a blue ball of light materialized. And my friend Dave was sitting to my left, and I looked, because I saw it to my left, and I looked at Dave looking at it. I could see Dave's head. He was looking at the exact same place I was, down on the ground, a ball of light about a foot in diameter or so, a foot and a half. blue ball of light lighting up the room and it expanded vertically and took the shape of a man with broad shoulders kneeling down and then this figure stood up and turned to us and it was like six six and a half feet tall broad big and as it turned it disappeared And he's looking up where this figure is, where you'd look up at a head, you know, that area. We're both looking, and then suddenly, where the chest area was of this thing, a yellow cross materialized. And I could still see it. It had a blue aura emanating around it, the same color as that blue thing that was just there. and it moved from the left to the right. It didn't accelerate and then decelerate, it just was not moving, then was instantly moving at a certain velocity and then ceased its movement right in front of us. I can still remember seeing it right this second. I can still remember it. As I'm remembering. And we both were terrified. We both got out of there. We ran. He saw the same thing I did. So, there you go. Do you think that, I know that, you know, the Bible says that you could come back from the dead and they still wouldn't believe. I mean, do you think that strengthened your faith? I wasn't a believer at the time. You know what I'm saying? I was not a believer. If I saw that, I feel like I'd be sold 100%. Well, I was involved in the occult. It wasn't until I became a Christian months later that I turned away from all of that. But I'm just telling you, this is my experience. I'm not saying my experience is proof of anything. I'm just telling you, that's what I saw. That's what my friends saw. And you can dismiss it and say, oh, it's hyperventilating because we're in Southern California, and the ethereal wave of volcanic essence had somehow manifested in sulfur-induced hallucinations. Whatever you want. I'm just telling you what we saw. But what are your, so, yeah, first of all, thank you for sharing. That's wild. What do you think about someone who's a believer, been a believer, who, like, I am literally like, part of me wants to experience something like that. Like, literally, like, get into, like, you know, get around the occult, you know what I'm saying? Like, I am tempted to want to see something like that. Why? Because it's not of God. And you're messing with the occult. You don't want to do that. If God does not let you see it, then don't. I was involved in some bad stuff. And God, in his great mercy, allowed me to live. And then he gave me a very, very charismatic conversion, incredibly charismatic in the presence of his very glory. And so I'm called, I believe, through all of this to do what I do for a living. I believe I've been prepared for it. That's just my opinion. I'm not trying to elate myself, but I just believe that's what, I believe it. That's it. So you don't want that. Jesus Christ. You want to seek the Holy Spirit's work in you. Leave the darkness behind. Because anybody who gets involved with that, if you are called into it by God, there's a consequence and a danger with it. It's like saying, God calling you to be a glacier guide. It's dangerous. Maybe you're called to do it, but you better be prepared for it and know what you're doing, because it's dangerous to do. And this is the kind of thing. I've got other stories. I've had people come after me. I've had Satanists try and kill me or threaten to kill me. I've got some weird stories. I've been swatted. I've had cards follow me because of what I do for a living. And if you want to be involved in stuff like that, you're asking God to change you, make you, shape you. And if he doesn't want that of you, because he's calling you to do something different, and you keep seeking it, then you're opening up a door. And you've got to be very careful. Yeah. Okay. What does that, what does that door, oh sorry, go ahead. No, go ahead. Um, what does that, what does opening that door look like? What does that mean? The door to the occult means that you've opened up a portal of which demonic activity can be increased in your life. Gotcha. Yeah. Go ahead and answer my question. Yeah, a lot of people have those doors open in their houses. I don't talk about this too much because it scares them. Yeah, it just seems all like, I don't know, it seems all like dorky, like people who are really involved in it. It just seems I don't know, they're like sad people, you know what I mean? It's like... Demonic oppression. Yeah, yeah, I guess so. I guess so. Totally. Last thing I guess I'll say is I would really encourage you to get on TikTok because there is a lot of wild misinformation out there. I mean, your audience could explode just on TikTok Live. I think you'd be a real, real good light over there. Email me how to do it. Dude, I will. Absolutely. Info at karm.org. I've got to go to Israel next week, but I'm interested in doing that with TikTok, and I don't trust TikTok. It's a Chinese thing, and I would only do it under VPNs and various things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Get you a burner phone with a proxy. But yeah, I'll email you. I can do it. Okay, sounds good, man. All right. Okay. Okay, God bless. Okay, so we had a question on the Holy Spirit. Sorry we didn't get to you. And on women pastors. Oh, I love talking about that. One of my favorite topics. I don't know why, but it is. Call back tomorrow, all right, Earlene? And we'll talk about that. We ran out of time. May the Lord bless you. I'll be teaching Bible study tonight. And may the Lord just bless you this evening. Talk to you later.