Let's go to the book of 1 Corinthians chapter 15 this afternoon. For those that are listening by other means, give us a call if you'd like and give us a question or comment. Questions at bfpbc.org or simply call us at 856-261-9018. 1 Corinthians 15, there's verse number 46. I'm sorry, what was it? 1 Corinthians 15. And then verse 46, 1 Corinthians 15, 46. You want to read 46? 47 and 48, starting with verse 46 together. Howbeit that was not first, which is spiritual, but that which is natural, and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is the earth, earthly, the second man is the Lord in heaven. As is the earthly, such are they also that are earthly. And as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. Verse 46, the first man was not that which is spiritual. What does it mean by that? No faith. No faith? Unbelief? Well, that could be, but in this case, it says that which is natural. After that, what's it getting at? Yes, Tammy. to the first Adam, isn't it? The first Adam, that's right. See, who came first, Adam or the Lord Jesus Christ? As far as to be on this earth. But of course, he was, the Lord Jesus was from eternity past, no question. But on this earth, he came second, but Adam was first as far as on earth, see. So that's the, he that is not spiritual, in other words, strengthened by the Holy Spirit and by the Spirit, but he was second. The Lord Jesus came to this earth, after Adam. Then in verse 47, the first man. What do you think that means? Adam. What about those people who say there was a pre-Adamic race? Are they right or wrong? They're wrong. What does first mean? Nothing prior to that, see? And these people that believe this pre-Adamic race, they're crazy in a bad way. If they follow the scriptures, Adam was made. There's nothing in the scriptures about this pre-damic race at all, but a lot of them believe that and so on. First man, Adam. Now, what does Adam mean in the Hebrew? Adam. Could be man, what else? Could be man, okay. Dust. Adam. Dust thou art from dust, I was taking dust thou art, and you return to the dust. See, that's Adam. Atma, dust. He's a man of dust. How did God create Adam, by the way? What did he do? Drop to the ground, bring his nostrils, breath of life, a man, give him a living soul. So it was just dust. Is the world able to take dust and make a human being from it? Yes. Can anybody else do it? No. But God can. That's why we believe in the power of God, the creation of God, his ability. Dust. So that's Adam. was first. The first man of the earth. Now, in verse number 47, earthy. What does earthly mean? Earthy. Made from the earth. And that fits right in with Atman. Atman. Dust. Right from the earth. He's earthy. What about the second man? Who's that? The Lord Jesus Christ. The Lord Jesus Christ. He's, what does it mean? He's the Lord from heaven. Came from heaven. Do the Pharisees believe he was sent from heaven? No. Many times, many verses, 4, 5, 6, 7 times, sent from heaven, sent from heaven, sent from heaven. The Pharisees thought he was born of fornication. That's right, born of fornication, just had a human father, which was wrong, but he was from heaven. Why did God send his son from heaven? To pay for the penalty of our sins. Save our souls? Was it easy? If you were completely, absolutely perfect as God the Son was, the Lord Jesus before he came to this earth, sinless, spotless, and you were living in a place like heaven where the Father and the Holy Spirit were sinless, perfect, perfection, no sin, what would the decision be to leave that and come to a place like this, a garbage heap of What decision would go through your mind? That's not time. Well, he was obeying his father. That's right. But would it be somewhat... If we were human beings thinking about it, you'd have to think about it. You'd have to think about it. He had a very big motive to do it. Very big motive. Which was love. Which was love. Okay. God the Father had a big motive to do it. As John 3.16 says. What is his motive in John 3.16? Love the world. Love. He loved the world. Love the world. So love. So love. What does so mean? Very much. Very much. To such an extent. For God so loved the soul that he gave. You wonder why he's so loved. You wonder. Bunch of people like we are, sinful people and crazy people. But he did love the whole world that he sent his only begotten son. That whosoever, what? Believe in him. Should not perish, but have everlasting life. What about those that don't believe in him? He died for them, but what happens to them if they don't trust in the Lord Jesus Christ? They're condemned to go to the lake of fire. Yes, you see it says they should not perish but have everlasting life. Those that believe in him. So the ones that don't believe in him, what's their destiny? They're condemned to go into the lake of fire. Is that a pleasant place or an unpleasant place? Very unpleasant place. So we've got to get at the truth, the gospel. Do all churches believe that there's such a thing as hell? No. Most of them. The majority of the churches all over the world have denied the Bible. They're apostate from the scriptures. They say, oh, what is their picture of heaven? Who's going there with the most modernistic apostate churches? What do they teach? Good people. They just teach that, like, if you're good, you're gonna go there. Well, what if you're even bad? Universalism. What does that mean? Everybody's going. Everybody. Good or bad. See, good, bad, or indifferent. Now, some people do, sometimes, gotta be good, good, good, good. If you're good enough, you get there. Some believe you're good, and they also believe that God's loving and will accept you anyway. So, anyhow, regardless. Now, the point of it is, does it say in the scriptures that being good will take us to heaven? No. No. Nowhere in this world. You have? No, I'm just moving my sleeves. Oh, so not move your sleeves. Yvonne? I've been reading this stuff that Barbara gave me on purgatory. And evidently, there's a lot of degrees in purgatory. You have to work your way out of there. And you're never really forgiven. I don't know how you ever get forgiven, but... It's very strange. I've read somewheres that you pray for the people that are in purgatory and eventually they'll be out. It's a stationary place. Purgatory is just made up. There is no place for it. Right, right. What are the other things they say to get you out of purgatory? Roman Catholic Church. What else do they say you got to do? Pay money. Pay money. What is that called? Indulgences. Indulgences. All right. You don't even have to pay money because the person dies. Martin, what do you think about indulgences? As soon as the coin in the coffer rings, it's all from purgatory springs. Someone said the Roman Catholics. Say it again, nice and loud. As soon as the coin in the coffer rings, the soul from purgatory springs. She said, buying their way out. Money will think of everything. Now, do all the religions have their own heaven or do they all have the Bible heaven? They have their own heaven. What about those who are the Muslims? What about those who are Shintos? Is the Bible heaven? Now, if they have a different, like the American Indians, they've got, what do they call it? They can have anything they want to believe about the eternal state, but if they're talking about the Bible's heaven, what must be true as far as the way to get there? Salvation. They have to go the Bible way, right? Any other time they make up their own minds, a lot of people are making up heaven. These modernistic liberal preachers and pastors are making up their way to heaven. That's why they have works and all these other things to get there. Yes, Rick. What I'm thinking about is just, get me if it's me, but when you really think about the word eternity, they should perish, that they would perish for eternity. I don't think it's been really expounded enough in all the churches I've sat in to really talk about what really is eternity. To get the whole concept of eternity. Because that draws fear to my heart, you know, thinking about that. And I think a lot of people and even teachers have missed pointing what eternity really, really is. And the magnitude of what eternity is, it's just a speck where I'm living right now for eternity across a great broad spectrum. It's a parenthetical expression on the continuum of eternity. This time it didn't blow by me. Okay, now, is hell everlasting? Everlasting. Do all people these days that believe the Bible teach us everlasting? No, they do not. Is eternal life everlasting? Yes. Well, if eternal life is everlasting, shouldn't the word everlasting, if it says everlasting fire, shouldn't that be everlasting too? Right, yes. You take away that everlasting, you take away that everlasting. See, the people are just... See, this Harold Campion, for example, he just wanted to take a little bit less than eternal. It's terrible. Less than eternal fire. What's the answer? Much less. Much less. It comes right out of it, doesn't it? He's eagerly denied it, isn't he? Yes. You're not supposed to take anything away from the word or add anything to it. You're supposed to leave it right as it is, right as it was intended to be by the author, which was God. That's right. That's right. We don't add or subtract or change the words of God. So back to verse 47, man is the earth from dust, second man, Lord, from heaven, came from heaven. Now, where is he now, the Lord Jesus Christ? In heaven. He went back there. Right hand of God the Father. He went back to heaven. How did he go back to heaven? He ascended. Ascended? How long did it take him to get there? Not long. Not long. Well, instantaneously. He went up to the clouds. It took him some time. Then, once he was in the clouds, he was It's not specified. Where is heaven? Heaven is a place we don't know, but it's somewhere in the northern places. Is it in the solar system? Somewhere above the solar system, way beyond. We don't know. The Bible doesn't tell us exactly the place, but we know that... I guess we'll know when I leave here. Yes, if you trust the Lord Jesus generally as your savior, you'll be there. That's right. How do we get there? The Lord said, I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man, no other father, but by me. That word man is not, utis is no person, that's what, man in general. The word man is? Just, no person, see that's, when they say man a lot of times in the Canadian Bible, it treats the human, humans, all human beings, see. Oh, so the word man is everybody. Everyone, see. Mankind, see, that's the thing. Not just a human, not an adult male, see. But yes, Anna. I just want to explain the other topic perhaps, but we know that there are three heavens. The atmospheric heaven, we have the starry heaven, and then the third heaven, which is where God dwells. Now do you suppose that the third heaven has existed for longer than the other heavens, or do you suppose that God, did God see dwelling in heaven for eternity past, or did he create the third heaven around the same time he created the rest of the universe? Well, my own opinion, the eternal third heaven was from all eternity, and part of the creation was the first and second heaven, part of creation. The heavens and the earth. To follow up with that, If the third heaven always has existed in the eternity past, that was what you were saying? And then wouldn't it be sort of outside of the universe? That's true. You have to have the universe and you have the third heaven somewhere else. Somewhere outside. Where do we get the expression third heaven? Second Corinthians. Second Corinthians? What do they say? 14, I caught up, I was, there was, I know a man who was caught up to the third heaven. Well, they're in the body or out of the body, count it all. Caught up to the third heaven. Heard things that come off of it. Yeah, I know, but actually in the parallel path, he's at age 14, which is why I was saying he was 14. Well, that's when he was stoned and lifted. That's when it happened. That's when it happened. Caught up with her, but he told about it in second vision. Yes, Dr. Dan. Dr. Lerich, morning service. Pastor Dan, thank you so much for teaching Eschatology class. I learned so much. Excellent class. Thanks, Jim Cannata. Let's wave to Jim Cannata over there in Massachusetts. Way over in Massachusetts. Thank you, Jim. Appreciate you. Alright, so the Lord from heaven. And then in verse 48, as is the earthy. Who's that? Who's the earthy? Adam. Now what does that mean, as is the earthy? Made from earth, such as they also that are earthy. Who are the ones that are earthy? Us. That's right. People, living people that are disordinary people. And as is the heavenly, who's that? Jesus. The Lord Jesus Christ. Such as they also that are heavenly. What does that mean? Those that trust Him are the heavenly. Yes, those that are genuine Christians will be how? When I die, do I go directly to heaven or the way to the second coming? You go directly to heaven, as Paul says, depart, be absent from the body, be present from the Lord. Absent from the body, present from the Lord. That's why I say, I do all those things as a priest, for me to live is Christ, to depart is gain. Immediately, spirit and soul go to heaven. The body stays here, The spirit and soul goes immediately to those who are genuinely saved. And those that are generally lost, their spirit and soul goes directly to a place of torment, to hell, whatever the intermediate state is, but it's a hellish type of thing. So, now it says here, such as they are that are heavenly. What happens to those that are like the heavenly one, the Lord Jesus? When does that take place? Steve asked the question, should I wait till the second coming or the rapture or is that before that? When will that take place? Now, going to heaven is one thing, but change is another. What kind of bodies will the saved people have? Glorified bodies. Who will that body be like? After the rapture, have glorified bodies. Now, in 2 Corinthians chapter 5, there's what we call They have to come during the rapture. What? When do you get to... Well, whenever they get the glorified body, you see, at the rapture will be the glorified body. As you're being raptured, I mean, like when you're in the coffin, you can't get out of your coffin. At the time of the rapture, those that are genuinely saved will have their bodies changed. See, at the time of the rapture, that's the scene, that's the time. Now, in chapter 5 of 2 Corinthians, Paul talks about what we call an intermediate body. Yeah, a body from heaven. Because in this body I've grown, I want to be clothed upon the body which is from heaven. So there's an intermediate state before the rapture, before the glorification of our bodies, that we will be in heaven. There will be something, we don't know exactly the type of structure, but we'll be an individual person as soon as we die, or generally say people will have a certain birth. So secondly there's five, intermediate body. Yes, Barbara. I did, I'm trying, I'm steeped the other night here. This is going past me. You have a hairspray on? Yeah. So if I'm understanding you correctly, that when we get to heaven, that the bodies that we have there will be changed at the rapture, that we will all be changed at the rapture somehow? I'm not coming with you on this. I'm not understanding. Yes. There's two different status of people. The saved ones that are in the grave, they are corruptible, their bodies. They'll be changed at the rapture to incorruptibility, their bodies. Those who are still living, will have their bodies changed instantaneously from mortal bodies to immortal bodies. And so we're talking about the body, not the spirit and souls. It's not the spirit and souls. Yeah, pass it on. But then those that have preceded us in death, those that are in heaven now, this is where you get 2 Corinthians 5, we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, in other words, it dies, we have a building of God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan earnestly, desiring to be clothed upon with our house, which is from heaven. If so be that they clothed, we should not be found naked. For we in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened, not for that we be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be sold up with life. So many people disagree with this, but I believe it makes sense that he's talking about a immaterial, temporary body, before the rapture, before the bodies are completely changed like in the Christ body. Pastor Dan? Everybody. Pastor Dan and then Barbara. Just to clarify for Barbara a little bit, I suppose, what you're saying is that all the born again, Bible-living persons who have died previously to this time period, between the cross and now, that are in the body of Christ, they receive the intermediate body. Now, at the time of the rapture, that intermediate body will be exchanged for a glorified body. Right. I mean, the intermediate body is a type of a glorified body, but it's not the final glorified body. That's right. And the people that have died, their corruptibility will be made incorruptible, their bodies that are in the grave will be changed. But in the meantime, they've got an existence, but not just clouds floating around. I don't see another interpretation for chapter 5 verse 1 of Paul. We're in this earthly tavern house. If our earthly house of this tabernacle were desired, we have a building of God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. So there's what we call an intermediate state or body. And as we grow, designed to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven. So there's a house, there's a place. We're not just non-entities. There's a place that we have intermediate attack. I want to follow up that with a question. So then those that die before the rapture, do you believe that they will have the judgment seat of Christ at the time of the rapture with the others that are raptured, or will they have it before they enter? The time is not mentioned. I know my wife always thinks immediately, and it could be immediately. others people to be at the rapture, but we're not sure the timing of it is in the scripture. These people that have been raised, they're the Christians. I don't think the unsaved are going to be raised at that time. Yes, that's right. That's right. Am I right? We're not disagreeing. We're not disagreeing, are we? The question was, at what time will the Judgment Day of Christ take place? I'll just say a piece of Those that have already died, perhaps. Some people when they die? They're in this temporary body. Will they, before they get the time, I mean, as soon as they die, will they have the judgment seat of Christ or will it be at the time of the rapture? Yes. Many feel as soon as they die, there's a rapture. And so that's entirely, the scriptures I don't think are clear. That's logical and reasonable. When they die, the judgment seat of Christ, for them. Others think at the rapture, the whole thing, but who knows? So, the body which is from heaven. Now, what will that heavenly body of those generally saved be like once the rapture takes place? It will be incorruptible. That's right. Those that have died, their crops will be incorruptible. Those that are still living, if it comes today, this mortal subject to death, the immortality. And what else? What other description will that body be? Like Jesus. Like Him. Just as the Lord Jesus Christ. We like unto His glorious body. That's what it's going to be. So the body will be an incorruptible, glorious body like the Lord Jesus Christ Himself. Alright? Any other comments on that yet? Tammy? I think it's 1 John 3, 2. We shall be like Him. We shall see Him as He is. We shall be like Him. So it's like the Lord Jesus Christ. Those who are genuinely saved will have new bodies. So that's verse 47. And then verse 48, rather. Did we read 49? I got it. Let's go 49, 50, and 51. And as we have borne the image of the earthly, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither does corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I show you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed. 5 verse 49. Born the image of the earthy. What image would that be? The flesh, Adam. We've got these bodies and we have lungs and liver and heart and hair and all these other organs of our body. We've borne his image. But what is this other thing? We were born also the image of the heavenly. Lord Jesus Christ, be made like him, we shall see him as he is. Then in verse, does all the modernist unbelievers believe that? No. Well, they don't know about this. A lot of people who are unsaved, they don't believe this either. But the scriptures are clear. Then in verse 50, what does it say about flesh and blood? What is flesh and blood? Our human bodies have flesh and blood. Does the scripture ever say the Lord Jesus had flesh and blood? Yes. No. We're divided. Some say yes, some say no. Who's right? After he's resurrected or before? After the resurrection. No. He was hung on the cross. We're still fighting. Who's right? After his resurrected body, is it ever said in scripture, he has flesh and blood? No. No. Never. What does it say? He's flesh and bone. Flesh and bone. What does it say? Touch me and handle me, for spirit hath not flesh and bone as you see me. Not blood. See, the resurrected body does not need blood. Our bodies do. Take the blood out of us, we're gone. So that's interesting. And that's why it's so important that we have the proper evaluation of what the blood of Christ is and what it does. Was it the same as Adam's blood? Yes. Yes? No. We're divided again. Who's right? Yes. No. No. Why? Because the father determines the blood type and the blood. The mother has nothing to do with the blood of the baby at all. So the blood that he had was perfect and sinless because it was from his father. From his father. That's right. That's right. Father in heaven. So he didn't have any human blood and therefore the blood was saved by the incorruptible blood of Christ. Remember it says in 1 Peter 1.18 For as much as ye have not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold for your vain conversation received from Christ your Father, but what with the precious blood of Christ, the Lamb without a plam is without a spot. So if without corruptible things, you assume the precious blood of Christ is incorruptible. Many different things about the blood of Christ, but it's divinely given, and therefore it could save our souls. Yes, Mary? When Adam first was created by God, Was his bloodline as pure as it should be? And then when he got deceived and then fell, did that change? That's probably so. The corruption. The Lord said, when you eat of the tree in the middle of the garden, what will happen to you, Adam? You'll die. God shall surely die. What happened when he did partake of that fruit? He died. Spiritually he died. So I think that's when the change took place. His whole person, his whole, he was made to live many, many more years. What about Eve's body? It's the same. She ate too, and God showed up. Yeah, Anna? Well, at that moment, his physical body began to break down and not work as efficiently as it should. Right, wrote down, that's right, absolutely. So, we have the verse 49, or the image of Him, verse 50, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. What does that mean? Barb? May I go back a minute, please? Yes, go ahead. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. Jesus is flesh and bone. I'm trying to grasp a thought here and it's not totally clear, but the concept is that if the flesh and bone must be spiritual, flesh and blood cannot inherit, therefore only as a spiritual body can we inherit the kingdom. Am I... Yes, what I think he's teaching here is in our Adamic bodies, which are flesh and blood bodies, We could never get into heaven, never enter. We would die in the midst going up there. No breath, no air, I mean, nothing will access it. It would be horrible. So, it can never enter. In other words, these people that are just in the human body can't be in heaven. They couldn't exist. That's what I think it means, flesh and blood. It has to be a new birth. What did the Lord Jesus say about a new birth in John chapter 3? Who is he talking to there? Nicodemus. And he said, except the man be what, born again, he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. What did Nicodemus ask? Can a man enter his mother's womb? Yeah. How can a man enter his mother's womb? See, in other words, except to be born of water and the spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. Water may be referring to the first birth, breaking the bag of water first in the birth, and the spiritual birth, born again, only those that are born again can enter Heaven. In other words, those that have never had physical birth can never have spiritual birth. Those robots that man makes can never get to Heaven. It has to be the water, if it's the breaking of the water in physical birth, that physical birth person, when he's born again by the spiritual birth, they can enter Heaven. But it has to be both. Water and spirit. A lot of people say water is baptism, but we don't believe that. Yes? But you don't believe that a baby that's aborted would not be able to enter the kingdom of God? No, we believe that there's those that are safe. They're not really born, you know, but I'm just clarifying. Oh yes, yes, the babies, we've got this spirit to keep them safe. They're not able to a certain age of accountability, we call it. So, we believe that they're not saved, they just don't know anything. They can't possibly receive Christ. So, all right. So, we're in verse 49. Question about Canada. What does it mean, neither could corruption inherit incorruption? Corruption, that's the body that we have presently. We have corruptible bodies. What does corruption mean? Decay. Decay. What is it? Sin. Includes sin, that's true. And decay is corrupted. Decayable. Decayable, all right. And as soon as death comes, the body begins to decay, right? Amen. Why do the morticians take out the blood of a dead person? They can smell it. Wouldn't smell, wouldn't decay as fast. The Jews originally, the Orthodox Jews even I guess today, When do they bury their dead? Right away. Right away, sundown. So they don't have any embalming. They keep the blood right... Old, old Jewish people? The Orthodox, the Orthodox. Oh, just the Orthodox? Yeah, yeah. Well, I don't know all the details, but I think most of the Orthodox bury the same day. Now, is it wrong for a Christian to be buried the same day? No. No, it's not. Why do undertakers embalm? They embalm for people to say farewell to their loved ones. Farewell, so they get 10? Sometimes, depending on how long, when the funeral is going to be. Uncle Richard and Aunt Lorraine were in Israel when Uncle David died, so we had to wait for a week. Then that, in a sense, there had to be embalming. It was a period of time. It preserves it. Preserves it. Preserves it. Yes, it can. But Jeanette, Don, Dan's brother's wife, I don't think she was involved. No, that's right. What's the second thing the undertakers want for money? Not only the embalming, what's the second thing? The coffins. Cremation. They want the coffins. That's, again, cough up a little bit of money. Not that we're against cops, don't get me wrong, but the undertaker is very much in power of getting that big, big box. And doing the best, better. They want to jack that thing way up. Cost you money to die. Cost you money to die. Yes, President. There's probably some elements of handling the dead in some way, like going back to the Egyptians, they thought, in the back of Egypt, they thought there was something going to be an afterlife. in the wrong way. They thought that there'd be an afterlife and so they, when they did their mummying, they took all the non-essential things out of the body, like the brain, they took out of the body. Well, they also took out organs and mummified them, but they just threw the brain away. The brain wasn't necessary. They threw the brain away. But nonetheless, they thought there was an afterlife. Well, it won't bring them away so much. There are elements of death. People think if they preserve the body, of hopes that the body will live again. Isn't that true today that some people are not as brainy as others? That's true. Even though they keep the brains in the head, it's all that way. I'm not opposed, don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to the coffins and stuff like that, but I'm just simply saying there is a profitability to the morticians in selling the coffins. They also embalm because, and they put you in a coffin, they put you in a casement, what do you call it, a cement tomb? That's to prevent the fluid from leaking out. Right, right. That's another thing, they have this big concrete. That's the reason they did it, I was talking to them. That's right. I miss some of that. Spend the $1,000, buy the low-end coffin, and be buried. We're not recommending anything other than that. Whether you want to be embalmed or not, that's what's called an immediate burial, meaning a very short date, within 72 hours of death, you could be buried immediately without being embalmed. You'd be put in a coffin, you'd be put in the ground, you'd be put in a mausoleum in a vault. You know, we want the body to be preserved, we don't want to destroy the body. Not that we think that even if the body is destroyed, at the resurrection we will still be able to retrieve it. If we die in a car accident, house fire, we die at sea, that's one thing. But if our body is present, when we die it's retrievable, it should be put in the ground or into a mausoleum. Who's next? I'm sorry, Anna, go ahead. Anna, then Fah and then Lynn. Go ahead, Anna. It seems like they will always have a job because there are always going to be people dying, you know, until the eternal state, at which point they will no longer die. It doesn't seem to be an occupation that will disappear like the burglar or other occupations. What was the occupation of one of my uncles? Undertaker. Oh, it was. I keep forgetting him. You wanted clarification on his point. I know. I was remembering something else. I don't know if this was it. One of our friends, Joan, her first name was, and she always calls my husband, what is it, a death or something? We don't hear from her for years. And so her husband died and she didn't want him to be embalmed. But she had to do some small kind of embalming because they waited so long for the funeral more than the next day. I don't know what that partial embalming was. Something. I don't know what that was. I was just going to say, I know that some people get because they believe it will prevent them from going to judgment. yes and going to hell but in the bible i don't know where exactly but i know it says in there somewhere that the seal give up their dead and that's right that's right so what was the question the question was people want to be involved no i mean back so they think that this can escape hell If they don't have a body, they're going to be just wonderful. Supposing I'm cremated, right, and I am born again, do I still go to heaven, though? Oh, yes, yes. But some of the people that are not saved, they think that'll escape them. Oh, okay. Professor Dan, you have a question? I still encourage Christian burial. Yes, Christian burial. Here's a note from South Dakota. Whatever flesh and blood produces here on Earth is corrupt. Therefore, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven for Dana from South Dakota. That's Dana. I guess that's the way to Dana. I don't remember who she is. South Dakota Dana. I think it's a he. Oh, he. Okay, well, thank you. So, Dana Penitent. Well, Dana, give us your email so we can keep in touch with you. That'd be good. We haven't heard from him for a while, though. No, we haven't. I want to ask you a question. What were the Israelites? in the Old Testament. Were they cremated or buried? Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Buried. Bur The Bible. Genesis. It says it in Genesis? Coffin? And he brought his coffin up out of Egypt when he went because they took his body back. Coffin? Like coffin? No, no, no. Coffin as in funeral coffin. It says it in the Bible? Yeah, because they took his body after that. Genesis. Is that the first book? Yeah. Genesis 50. The very last. Genesis 50-26. 50-26. Genesis 50-26. The last verse of Genesis. Read it someone. 5026. He died being 110 years old and they embalmed him and he was put in a coffin in Egypt. That's the first use of the word coffin. I don't know if it's used anymore ever in the New Testament, the whole Bible. I have a question because I have a handwritten note in my Bible that this word coffin for Joseph is the same word used as the receptacle, the tabernacle of the law, that is the Ark of the Covenant in 1 Kings 2.12. Can anybody explain that? That's interesting. In other words, it's a receptacle. We'll call it coffin, whatever you want, but it's a receptacle. Casket. Yeah, casket. All right, so that's it. They're fine. Nowadays, do they use the word coffin thing as casket? Casket, box. But another thing is, I know that do not believe in cremation. They cremate their loved one because it's so much cheaper. Oh, yeah. They always say, I don't believe in it, but they do it anyhow. Yes, I know. And sometimes when the loved one wants to be buried, the ones that are left behind cremate it because it's cheaper. They don't get their work done. Well, if they can't afford it, they have to get them buried. Well, I don't know. Yeah. And some that want to be cremated, their loved one won't cremate them. My aunt, she didn't cremate her husband. She buried him. That's true. He wanted to be cremated. So they switch one once in a while. I think that we should be buried, of course, just like Jesus was buried in a way. As it says in the Bible, just as by his death, when you die, you go down, right? You're buried. And he was buried and he resurrected. I think we should do it, because it's biblical, because it's scriptural that he should be buried. In fact, 1 Corinthians 15, 1, 2, and 3 says what? Christ was, what? 15, 1, 2, 3, what does it say? He was died five times. Died five times and was buried, and the third day he rose again. He's buried right there in the gospel, part of the gospel. Let me bring this up. I went to a funeral where the person was cremated, actually was put in the hearse. and they went to the cemetery and put the cremation box in the ground. Oh, is that right? Yeah. Yeah, they do do that. I think it's a little bit cheaper that way. They actually had a hearse carrying the cremation. Yeah, they do do that. In a box. So they have a horse and a hearse? But I know one thing, we all get a Cadillac ride. That's right. Some people, this might not be why, but some people might be afraid that they're going to be buried alive because my friend was in the woke up. There were a lot of people buried alive. Well, my son woke up in the morgue and he was in a body bag and he woke up and scared him. He came alive. He was pronounced dead and he was already in the morgue in a body bag. Before technology, there was a lot of, hundreds of years ago, in Europe, they buried people. If for some reason they buried someone alive, they would ring the bell. Ring the bell. That's where the expression, saved by the bell, came from. That's interesting. Good job. Now, let me ask you this. Not that that was a school show on TV. It might have been, but the expression created that. Well, let me explain. Several years ago, Mr. Wade and I, she talked to a hunter-taker. And explain, honey, what you asked for. Well, I did a... I... We used to have the Bible Prevention Report, and I had a column, and I was interested in cremation and whether it was Christian or not, which I didn't think it was, but... So I called several undertaking funeral places and talked to them, and they explained the beauty of cremation. What a wonderful thing it is. They explained it. It was lovely. Then everyone, I said, Ed, are you going to be cremated? They said, oh, no. With great emphasis, they were not going to die. Very interesting. Those cremation people that push and push and push, they're not going to be young, because they realize what happened. They're not what? They know what happened in the cremation. We went to Fannie Crosby's cemetery in Connecticut, saw her grave and everything. We went to a crematory. We went to a crematory there, and he explained the whole thing. We saw where the bodies were cremated. That's right. Sometimes the bodies sit up and move because it's a fire in them. It's a... And the bones remain, right, the bones? I'll be able to sleep tonight. The bones remain. They shake and they try to get the bones, and sometimes they get people's bones mixed up with another person. Well, we read quite a few years ago that someone said, well, what about the cremains? of my loved one and this cremains of another loved one. Well, they mix them together and you don't know who's cremated. This is what these undertakers told us as a matter of fact. What's to say it's completely clean? If I'm cremated and I'm with someone else that's cremated. Yeah, the same place. I had a friend whose husband died recently and she had him cremated. She was talking to the funeral director because they wanted their ashes because they both loved the beach. So they wanted their ashes spread in the water. And he told them they have to take the ashes out a little bit more than a mile in the water to dump them because otherwise it would just wash right up on the beach. So they take it out and he said, but I want you to know We won't be doing that for a month or two because we get several different cremation bodies and then we go out and we drop them in the water and spread them in the water. And he says, well, wait, now, if they really do this, they drop one here, go a little further, drop the other body so that they're not all dropped together. But when you're in the water, yeah, it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make any sense. Seems like some of them are getting dropsy. I was doing a little Bible study yesterday and I was reading about Jesus' actually coincidental having to do with this Jesus' burial, Joseph of Aramea, however you say it, he had this plot and then Nicodemus, I was actually tracking Nicodemus through there, he was actually involved apparently and brought the thing so to put on the body, like 80 pounds of it, myrrh and aloe. And what came to me about that, because we're basically talking about being buried, Jesus in God's wisdom allowed this Nicodemus to bring these things and to coat the body or whatever they did with it in preparation for burial. And so it all more convinced me that we should be, quote, buried buried, as opposed to being cremated. And then also, I was interested in the myrrh and aloe that was used in that, that it was mentioned in the commentary about the fact that this is what they use for 80 pounds. That's a pretty lot. And I don't know, is this symbolic or what? Because myrrh and aloe were, myrrh was one of the things, gold frankincense and myrrh, when Jesus, when the three kings came, and was kind of trying to tie it together. I don't know whether it's just, you know, just coincidental or what. I guess that's my question. The mer was for his death. At his birth, when the three kings came, the mer was for his death. Wow, I sat in the car for a couple of hours trying to fix this up. Thank you. Call me Rick. Lynn, go ahead. And then Bill. I believe that God intended us to be buried and there's another reason. It was for comfort for those left behind because the grieving process, part of it is closure and part of seeing that person and going up and, you know, Even though their spirit might not be there, but touching that person's hand or whatever or touching their coffin or whatever. And being there in the service with the body and seeing the body put into the ground, it's like a closure and it's like a grieving process. And a lot of people need to go through that because some people, um, it like, like stays with them and they don't go through the grieving process properly when they don't see that. It's just like a mother who's baby who loses a baby at childbirth. I believe that they should be, able to hold that baby before they take the baby away to have closure. It helps with the grieving process. I was told by a funeral director that one of the main reasons why they like to use embalming fluid and why it's standard practice is they want to make sure the body is dead. They don't want it waking up later on. In other words, we should kill it for sure. If it's not actually dead, then they just want to be sure. They don't want to bury somebody alive. Let me take you back in history about 10, 15, 20 years. Jack Kennedy's son, Little Jackie, is his name Jackie? Jack and John. Robert Kennedy. John Donne. John Donne. Someone said, he was running for office, someone said that one of the people that didn't want him to win, which I know the name of the woman but I won't mention it, rigged that plane so it would crash. There's theories about that. It crashed. 1999 it happened. They got that body, it crashed into the water, they brought that body back, and then they cremated that body. And then they went back to the sea and threw it back in again. Why'd they have to take all that if it was in there? I don't understand it. That's what I have to understand from John. You know why they cremate in a lot of cases very quickly, as in some recent stars and things like that, because the evidence is gone. They can't do any more studies on the body, any more studies on what was in the system at the time. Cremation destroys all that. So any chemicals they had in their body that actually killed them, it's removed. So you have When you start seeing quick cremation, what goes through your mind is, I wonder. That's the same thing that happened to Judge Scalia. I think Obama and his crowd had to have him murdered and killed. And also, he was immediately cremated. Take away all evidence. There is no, what do you call those things that you look at? You can't do any forensics. No, what do you do? There was no autopsy, no nothing. Absolute quiet. No evidence. Evidence was gone. Because without him, Obama's plans would go. So I think he had somebody underhanded. Just like Hillary and her husband. Foster, a number of them. 30 or 40 of those mysterious deaths. They were friends of the Kennedys before, and somehow they're gone. So there's lots of things about that. Alright, in verse number 50, flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Corruption will inherit incorruption. Now we have corruptible bodies. Is this corruptible body going to inherit any corruption? No. What's the miracle that's going to take place? We have corruptible bodies, but that incorruptible body will be changed by the Lord Jesus Himself. Anna? Isn't the corruptible move for a long time? I guess it is later on, it talks about corruptible and mortal, but mortal is the one that are still living, but corruptible is the one that has already died. 53, there's 53. Thank you. Sorry, I'm running ahead. Oh yeah, that's true. That is true. That is true. Let's read that. We stopped at 52. We have no reading? Yeah. Let's read 51. Just a minute, I got a call. It's first thing in the morning. Okay. Rob from Chicago, Rob Wundergrad. Hello everyone. First of all, that word coffin, as our sister said, is also a translated ark and also chest. It's in the Jehoshiah native chest. The other thing is, I think with the other sister, I agree about the burying process, Most people today, they don't want to face death. And they have what they call celebration of life. And my mother, who is not shaved, did the same thing with my father. They waited about three months and had a celebration of life. And his ashes are still sitting in this house with me on their fireplace. And he was never given a proper burial. And I don't believe my mother ever went through the proper grieving process. brings terribly to this day. And on burying and people dying and making sure they're dead, and my grandmother on my mother's side here, and this genealogy that I got, I got a, and I can't find it here now, so I have to quote it by memory, but it was back in the early 1800s or late 1700s on my grandmother's side, and I think his name was Silas, but he had died, he'd been dead for three days, When he was in the parlor, like Mrs. Wade talks about her parlor, your parlor, where they put the dead bodies, he woke up. And then he woke up and he said, God sent me back from the dead. preach one people at a time, and woke up and preached the gospel for the rest of his life. That's good, Rob. Thank you very much. Let's wave to Chicago. Rob Winogrand, Chicago. Thank you, Rob. Thank you. Let's read. We read 51 first. Let's read again. 51, 52, 53. Behold thy story of mystery. We shall not all sleep, for we shall all be changed. In a moment, in the clicking of the eye, for the last time, for the trumpets of sound and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immorality. All right, verse 21. Behold, I show you. Who's the you refer back to? Corinthians. Corinthians believers, and by application to us who have saved people today. What is a mystery? What does that mean? A sacred secret. A sacred secret. A mystery. What does it mean? We shall not all sleep. Sleep means what? Not all die. Not all die. But we shall all be changed. That's what they put on the nurseries of some of the churches for little babies. It's not a sleeper which will all be changed. That's what they put on. That's what they put on, the big sign. Now, if you're talking to believers here, they're not all asleep, they're not all going to die. Are we sure we're not going to die? Are you sure you're not going to die? No, we're not sure. But there'll be some people, when will the people not die? At the rapture, when the Lord Jesus comes back in the rapture, those living people will not die. They will all be changed. In what way? Immortality and corruption. Immortality and corruption. A different body. And so then, in 52, how long does it take for this change? A moment. A moment. What does twinkling remind me? How long is that? A nanosecond. Maybe a nanosecond. Twinkling reminds me. At the last trump, what does that imply? There's a lot of different signs. There's going to be another. There's going to be a trumpet sound. And the trumpet shall sound, it says. And the dead shall be raised. The dead. Who are the dead shall be raised? The saved dead. The saved dead. Yeah, Anna. I was thinking about twinkling. I guess when we say someone's eyes twinkle, it's like the light coming in and bouncing out. And if you think about how fast the speed of light is, Yes. Very, very fast. 186,000 miles per second. Miles per second, that's right. Miles per second, yeah. Is that where they get the expression, that little twinkle in your eye? I don't know. Anyway, so the twinkle is very, very fast. Yes. I'm not sure where I'm going with this. I just had a thought. There's a little poem too, isn't it? Twinkle, twinkle little star, how I wonder what you are. Pastor Dan, go ahead. In Psalm 47 verse 5, the Bible says here, God has gone up with a shout, the Lord with the sound of a trumpet, at the time of the ascension. Yes. Very good. Psalm 47, verse 5. 47, 5 of the Psalms. So he's returning the same way. Now also in verse 52, the trumpets will sound, the dead, who are the dead of these shall be raised incorruptible? The dead in Christ, those that are saved believers, be raised incorruptible. And then we, who's the we referred to? The rest of us. Saved, born again Christians, through Corinth, but also by application to those of us who are saved today, shall be changed. So we also will be changed. They're going to be changed. Corruptible and incorruptible. And then in verse 53, this corruptible, who are they? Excuse me, Tammy, and then we'll get the call. But the Lord, this is from second, or first Thessalonians. 416 for the Lord's social descent from heaven with a shout with the voice of the archangel And with the trump of God and the dead and Christ the rest first. That's right. Now Jacob from Texas. Go ahead, Jacob. Well, hello, everybody. I heard Pastor H.T. Spence talking about that phrase there in Franklin, Illinois. And he said it's the smallest unit of time in the Greek, something that's unsplittable, something that's indivisible. I would think even quicker than a nanosecond, maybe a nanosecond, a billionth of a second. So that would be so fast that nobody would be able to see it, that's for sure. Yes, thank a lot Jacob. Let's wave to Jacob from Texas. Jacob! Very good. Now Tammy, did you finish what you were saying? Oh, I can read the next verse. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. So shall we ever be with the Lord. So, it's talking about those who are alive, those who are dead in Christ, and also the trump of God. So it's a parallel passage, isn't it? 1 Thessalonians 4, 16 and 17 to 1 Corinthians 15. And so, we shall be changed. 1 Thessalonians 4? 4, 16 and 17, yes. To Anna. So what happens so quickly then? we'll be here, we'll perceive ourselves being here, and then we'll suddenly perceive ourselves being there, and we're like, oh, I guess the rapture comes in. I think the word that Jacob's referring to is probably atemnos, atemnos. We get the right atom from that. A is no, temnos is to cut, uncut a little bit. just without being able to cut, it's just so small. 4.16.70, that's the rapture there. Then in verse 53, corruptible, must put in corruption. What about, who are the corruptible again in verse 53? Those are genuine Christians. What about the un-Christians? Are they called corruptible in this verse? Is it referring to them in this verse? No. It's true they're corrupted in the grave, But they're not Christians who are corrupted. Born again, saved, genuine Christians. Those incorruptible Christians will put on what? Incorruption. The unsaved people that died, they're not part of this. Oh no, I say that has nothing to do with it. It's only Christians, corruptible Christians that have been buried. What about mortal? What does mortal mean? Subject to death.