John UK wrote: Have you no comment to make on any of the quotes I posted for your benefit and edification?
Sola Scriptura John - thats what you used to boast insnt it ?
why on earth would i choose to respond to your cut and paste when you NEVER answer simple propositions yourself and mock the word when you dont understand it
For my edification ? - coming from somewone who thinks that Jesus changed His mind and REVERSED His teaching - you yourself are no true teacher yet you pretend to be
What is most offensive about your posts leaving aside the previously mentioned offences which I itemised befrore is your position on these poor folk that were slaughtered
The devil indeed is happy to see them killed without resistance - oh horror to have someone like YOU as a neighbour as my family were threatened and killed, someone unwilling to defend the sheep. Its bad enough when its doctrine but its nothing compared to its fruits as expressed in the betrayal of a neighbour in the face of danger God gave some of us other people to be responsible for, I would not be suprised to find that you have no one to be responsible for, or anything ie a job, a house or a church. See the connection ?
John UK wrote: Hello bro. Considering the length of the article, don't you find it amazing that he can find no actual examples in the New Testament? The Old Testament is hardly the place to look for New Testament principles.
youve BEEN given one example john but you mock it so im for one am not going to cast pearls before swine
what on earth do you think that Jesus instructed the disciples to carry a sword in PREFERENCE to a cloak FOR ?
To spread their sandwiches ?
How can you ignore the obvious ?
PS sorry I called you earlier, i thought mistakenly that you had complained to moderator, i had no evidence for this.
John UK wrote: he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:35-36 KJV.........................................................................
And where oh where is your proof text that Jesus wants us to arm ourselves against religious persecutors? Come on man, out with it, where is the example in the New Testament?
'' It is the law of sowing and reaping, and you would do well to think on your actions, because you will reap that which you sow, brother.''
Take the beam out of your own eye johnuk false teacher
NOTE: THREAD CLOSED, cos cissy boy went whining to the moderator the same as the last time he LOST the discusion and couldnt get away his heresy
I exposed your heresy johnuk so dont 'brother' me with your heretical views Jesus did NOT reverse His teachings and you wouldnt say that if you spent more time like i do listening to sermons on SA instead of posting foolishness that mislead the saints you would never make that mistake
Ill be watching your posts so expect to suffer furthur correction
John UK wrote: And do you know any example in the whole of the New Testament where Jesus disciples defended themselves with weaponry against persecutors? Charles can't find one, but maybe you know one or two eh?
Ha ! Once again caught you in your impudence and dishonesty ! I already pointed out to you previously that peter cut off someones ear in the garden of gethsemane but you have the effrontery to say that I cant provide an example when i already did - completely dishonest and i hope members of this forum are paying attention to this.
You also deceitfully claim that you did not say that jesus chenges his mind when you certainly did claim that 'the bible reverses itself'
the example provided which in your view demonstrates this, actually demonstrates your ignorance of a key biblical doctrine - first to the jews then to the gentiles
instead of admitting it you resort to form
The depth of your conceitr is furthur revealed when you advise the likes of william to read his NT 'and understand it this time ' !!! ridiculous it is YOU who are blin
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John UK wrote: Ahem, hmmmm. Charles my little fruitcake #1 Please note that I never asserted that Jesus "changed his mind", as if he was some sort of unstable Welshman. If you imagined that I was implying that, please be assured that I wasn't.
its not gonna work john,
you offered these verses as proof that jesus reversed his commands
''You reckon there are "no" one-offs in the gospel accounts, Charles? Commands that Jesus actually REVERSED shortly? ''
YOU wrote that john
clearly you INTENDED to suggest that Jesus changed his mind and that some instructions were REVERSED
I have demonstrated to you from scripture that far from being a reversal this was the plan - first to the jews then the gentiles
Your pride will not allow you to admit your error so you dishonestly muddy the waters and adopt a transparently impolite and patronising tone
strong evidence of the impulses of the natural man
MIKE :''PS do you really think John/UK is a false teacher? ''
MIKE You decide based on this exchange I say do not accept john teaching he is not in the truth. You have it all here, a basic error, a refusal to be taught and a calculated dishonest and patronising response.
Its predictable and i can make him do it on demand
John UK wrote: Later on Jesus reversed that.. And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. Mark 16:15 KJV I'll not be overbearing with you, but I'm sure you'll find others for yourself brother.
oh dear.....letters to the romans john ?
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek
salvation is to the Jew first and then the gentile thats a basic teaching and fundemental doctrine
your assertion that Jesus changed his mind means you dont know this
The verses you use show that the disciples went to the Jews first and then the gentiles which is in accord with scripture, it only seems like a 'reversal' to you because you dont know what scripture teaches on this matter !
are you going to dig your heels in or admit you were wrong ?
Neil wrote: I think preachers unconsciously adopt this stuff from pop church culture w/o bothering to question or refine it. Thus churchgoers are vulnerable to intellectual confusion & are wide open to heresies.
oh totally, its good to get mad at this sort of thing but its even better to challenge these wonderfull 'orthodoxies' and watch them as they desperately struggle for the first time in their lives to biblically reference it without the usual scattergun tactics, my favorites in descending order are
'you have to ask Jesus into your heart'
you can really chew on this one, i start of by asking them where it says that in the bible, they are always arminists that say this so it then leads on to my favorite ground - election and sovreignty,
another good 'pop' cliche is
'God does not go where he isnt wanted'
ha ha ! - we are entering a doctrine free zone here - the average calvinist will emerge as a seeming theological giant. TAKE NO PRISONERS !
Im still enjoying Gil Rugh jim, especially his series on romans, but is it the real gil rugh ? I am concerned - WHY OH WHY does he sound like clint eastwood ??????????
are you involved in this conspiracy ? I seek assurance from you that this man is the said pastor not an aging f
John UK wrote: You reckon there are "no" one-offs in the gospel accounts, Charles? Commands that Jesus actually REVERSED shortly? I'll give you till tonight to come clean and repent of heterodoxy.
Au contraire john ! It is up to you to support your rather ambitious claim above, but if you can your stock will rise ! - shouldnt you cut your losses now rather than attempt to demonstrate that scripture contradicts itself or that Jesus reversed his commands ?
I shall be taking the leading role in my film but I would rather the material itself took centre stage so modesty forbids that I grace the frame with my middle aged but nonetheless youthfully handsome well preserved visage ! We dont want the ladies being distracted now do we !
apparently you can take an existing powerpoint presentation and convert it to video for posting on youtube i will put an audio track on it and i will be on my way, i look forward to advising all the brethren on here of the link and getting feedback !
Mike wrote: Disagreement doesn't necessarily make one a false teacher, else you might be called the same. The tongue (or the keyboard version of it) truly is a fire, isn't it?
perhaps i ought to be more sober ! I agree with john wholeheartedly most of the time but sometimes ... a little leaven...
John, Jesus is God, there are no 'one offs' as you call it, nor does scripture contradict itself.
The disciples were instructed to take weapons IN PREFERENCE to a cloak which is surely the item of most daily use, because Jesus knew they would be attacked. As for the use of weapons, peter chopped off someones ear
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mmm yes thx for the link, i have had some modestsuccess with my presentations lately and ive found that you can make a video from a powerpoint presentation and post it on youtube, so that is the next step, this will be a shopwindow
the thing i bear in mind these days is that the evolutionists 'having chosennot to retain the knowlege of God have been handed over to a reprobate mind' so we cant expect a rational response to our rational position but the caveat is it must be rational/biblical
John UK wrote: I would suggest that you read the New Testament again, William. And this time, try believing what you read.
John, this is really to much. You think that william does not understand the NT and you do ? The sheer conceit of this is breathtaking
Luke 22 35And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
37For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
38And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.
Follow your own advice John and you can take the beam out of your own eye while you are at it
Every man without exception has a duty to defend himself when neccesary with all means to hand No christian should allow himself to be slaughtered and certainly no other christian should advise him to do so.
William, John is a false teacher ignore what he says
OK here is something that came to me on sunday during the sermon it was about the passover lamb and the crucifiction, so far so good you may say, good staples which the elect always enjoy but as i was listening passages of scripture came to mind,
Israel killed the passover lamb and spread the blood over the door lintels
The jews killed Jesus 1thess2 v 14
so our sovreign God ordained this they killed the lamb without blemish as they killed the passover lamb
we know the consequences of this act to the jewish nation, the judgement they came under for doing this
it makes your head spin, exactly what is happening here ? The jews are Gods special people the apple of His eye, is this why they were chosen for this task ? Its very deep when you think about it.
They were told to kill the passover lamb to save their own lives
They were not told to kill Jesus and they sufferd the sword for it
Yet the two things were neccessary and 'it pleased God to bruise Him' (not in the gratuitous sense obviuosly)