"Doug Kutilek wrote:
Let me say it again--the sole justification for producing and publishing any Bible translation is so that those who do not understand the words in the original languages can nevertheless gain access to them through words they do understand in their own language."

BUT:
The "sole justification for producing and publishing" The modern versions has been to change and modify doctrine.
By using OTHER texts and Roman texts the modern versions have muddied the Bible waters and made the doctrines obscure and ambiguous.

John UK wrote:
So if the Catholics have a statue of Augustine they are condemned; but if the Protestants have a statue of Beza

The Reformed (Calvinist) - Church ie the Church of the Elect - do not worship anybody but Sovereign God.

But I see your confusion in that all works based religions do introduce icons and idols, statuettes - touchy feely stuff - etc for human religious consumption and that does establish your "will worship"

John UK wrote:
I'd love to hear you say something about these 15ft statues of dead reformers

But don't let anything God states deter you John. You carry on flogging your iconolatry.

Michael Hranek wrote:
Here is the point I am trying to make, some old-timey Calvinists like Spurgeon and Whitefield and some of them maligned arminian types like the Wesleys knew something of the Power of the Holy Spirit that far too many people seeped in our modern intellectually precise(?) theologies are missing

The Arminians even when they read the Bible choose to introduce man's ability to "cooperate" with God unto salvation. Thus the RCC heresy of salvation by works is claimed by them.

Calvinism is Biblical = Sola Scriptura.

Jim Lincoln wrote:
Which Psalm mention Jesus by name? Not one! So, for a Christian to use them exclusively would be anti-Christian

Jesus in the Old Testament ...
http://www.xenos.org/teachings/?series=111

Jesus in the Old Testament
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=630131511199

SteveR wrote:
What a great sign, Jim now understands Copts, Orthodox & Catholics are Christian.

quit you like men wrote:
There's a very simple, however subtle, 2-step process that they all are following: (a.) Change Bible doctrine by allowing female pastors (husband & wife co-pastors, guest preachers, female scholars, etc) and then (b.) invite immorality by approving an openly gay pastor.

Unprofitable Servant wrote:
1. Those who practice effusion bring the water to the subject not the subject to the water.
2. Too bad they were wrong in the New Testament, if only they had been enlightened think how much time could have been saved.

Observer wrote:
Nothing

Lurker wrote:
blind leaders of the blind.

Isitin Teresting wrote:
Is it also interesting to note that Christian doctrine is more readily accepted amongst those who lack any education?

John for Jesus wrote:
Heb 10:39

The Roman lives in a world without the King James Version, he lives in the world without the Word of God.

Off topic wrote:
How soon we are off topic, and turned to arguments.

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

June wrote:
A pastor's lament for I.Paisley:
Source: Protestant Old Paths

Matt 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

About government in our nations God said

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

Jim Lincoln wrote:
[A] [V]ersion has many faults,......satisfactory accuracy to the Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic of the Bible.
I would suggest some of you read the entire, and lengthy Comparing Bible Translations

Whereas the modern versions eg NASB/NIV have used a myriad of Greek texts, found for example in the trash cans of history, and changed the very Word of God itself, in their persuance of modern vernacular.

Thus it is not just updating the english which modern versions have tried to do, but CHANGING the Word of God; - WHICH GOD already had translated into english in 1611, in the KING JAMES VERSION.

John Yurich USA wrote:
Your statement is totally false because the King James Version of the Holy Bible did not come into existance until 1611 therefore Saint Paul could not possibly have used the King James Version of the Holy Bible.

Mike wrote:
Sounds like mystery religion to me. According to Mr. Calvin, Christ is "made known and held out to the view of all," but then all cannot know or view Christ unless they are the elect and have their eyes opened.
Is he made known to all or not? Is he held out to the view of all or not? Mr Calvin's response to those questions would seem to be "Yes."

Take your Roman Catholics for example they "believe" in THEIR version of Christ. So He is held out to them but they know not God!

As the Scripture states many are called but few are chosen(elected).

Then there is the truth taught by Jesus at Matthew 7.21-23 That bunch of people seemed to be very dedicated Christians - only to be told they were workers of iniquity whom Jesus did not know. Christ was held out to them but like many they could not perceive the true Son of God. They would rather fabricate their own christ and religious faith.