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I am aware that he is a reformed baptist, was there some significance to bringing this to light?

It is amazing how we fight,scratch,and claw over an English translation. Did God give the Apostle Paul His word in KJV fashion? Or the Apostle Peter? Or any of the writers of His word?

ALL translations are NOT 100% accurate, it is a matter of personal preference. IF you have an issue with Dr. White and think he is in sin, do as the Bible recommends, go to him and bring your issue to his attention. It is not my place to defend him. No man is perfect in his beliefs, unfortunately much time is spent in attacking words instead of defending truth.

John UK, if you were simply passing time, then why do you present Scripture and your view of what it means? You sir are contending for the faith. Contend means 'to judge, distinguish, evaluate'
If you are passing time, then this statement from you makes no sense "Thank you ni, but I feel there is insufficient time in my busy life to warrant investigating further". So you have time to waste here, but not to investigate essential things like a deeper study of God's truth?


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WII

Do you know of a 100% accurate translation?

Can you verify this more ..."You should first realize that James White does NOT believe ANY Bible or any text in any language IS NOW the complete, inerrant, and 100% true Holy Bible. He now works for the NASB committee, and James even "corrects" his own favorite version, according to his own understanding."

In other words, can you give us Mr. White quoting this and the source?

It is a sad day when we resort to attacking those who do not hold to our favorite English translation, all of which are not guaranteed to be 100 % accurate. Would our time not be better spent on studying, for ourselves, God's word? I understand the battle anchors on who is reformed, or who is arminian; sadly Satan has used this labeling to divide and conquer...and we are all pawns to this, to our shame.

For what it is worth, I rarely frequent Dr. White's website, but I do respect him as a brother.


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You are very good at going down rabbit trails, at some point God will call you deeper into His word. As for a perfect translation, neither Dr. White nor Mr. Ankerberg profess there is one.

What do you do on these boards John UK? Do you not debate what you believe?

As for the Jehovah Witness, would you answer the door and contend for the faith?

Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints - Jude verse 3


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so if we are not called to contend for the faith, then what are you doing on these boards John UK? It would appear you are contending for the faith. Everyone here debates scripture, not? Is that not contending for what they believe in? You might want to retract your last post.

BTW, James White pastors a church, so he is 'qualified', by your standards. Does your dislike of him stem from his speaking out against the KJV as being the only authority?

Jim Lincoln, thank you, I am familiar with him as well and will check out those links.

let me ask you this John UK, if a Jehovah Witness comes to your door and presents their 'Jesus', are you going to shut the door? Or will you contend for the faith?


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The motive of the apologist is NOT to argue a man into the kingdom, it is to debunk error with truth. We are called to rightly divide the word as well as contend for the faith, no? If you sit around and do nothing while deceivers spew out lies and false words, what will happen? I will tell you, just look around you...deception will overcome and overtake people. We need more apologists to defend the faith.
The toughest crowd is the superficial believer, this crowd is huge and refuses to hear biblical truth. Does that mean we do not present it? No, we defend it and God will bring about the results according to His sovereign will.

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Blessings to you John UK.

I cautiously advise you against negative statements concerning brothers in Christ. Dr. White is a brilliant apologist who is doing the work of the Lord as he debates truth against Muslims, RCC apologists, and men like Bart Ehrman who professed to be born again, studied at the finest institutions, is a New Testament scholar at University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, but now write books discrediting the word of God, books like 'Misquoting Jesus' and 'God's Problem' and claims the Bible is filled with error due to the number of times it has been copied/translated. He claims that because he studied the word of God, he no longer is a Christian due to the errors he professes. How would you debate this educated man? I would not even go there, but I am thankful for God's servant...Dr. James White.

Do not dislike a brother because God has gifted him with intelligence, or because he doesn't hold to the KJV as the only authoritative translation, this is immature at best.


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John UK,

on the contrary, I proclaim the good news of Christ to sinners, only in recent days have I been guilty of wasting so much time on these boards. You, on the other hand, seem to live here.

Can you tell me John UK, have you lost your job because you are a follower of Christ and proclaimed His truth? I have, to God be the glory...

BTW, No, I am not still unemployed. Also, I am an uneducated person, according to the world's standards.

I have included these for you...

'Geneva (1557): "For God so loueth the world, that he hath
geuen his only begotten Sonne: that none that beleue in him,
should peryshe, but haue euerlasting lyfe."
· Great Bible (1539): "For God so loued the worlde, that he
gaue his only begotten sonne, that whosoeuer beleueth in
him, shulde not perisshe, but haue euerlasting lyfe."
· Tyndale (1534): "For God so loveth the worlde, that he hath
geven his only sonne, that none that beleve in him, shuld
perisshe: but shuld have everlastinge lyfe."
· Wycliff (1380): "for god loued so the world; that he gaf his
oon bigetun sone, that eche man that bileueth in him perisch
not: but haue euerlastynge liif,"

I apologize for being haughty, or crass John UK. That was never my intention

Goodbye


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you can start here...http://greatsite.com/facsimile-reproductions/geneva-1557.html.

I will give one example from my previous comment...

For God so loveth the world,
that he hath given his only son,
that none that believe in him,
should perish:
but should have everlasting life.

—John 3:16, Tyndale translation, 1534 version (modern spelling).

I will leave you to search out the rest of the work yourselves...do your homework!


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LOL

Let me point you to the dates in my post, then compare them to the dates in John's.

My dates - Wyclyf (1380), Tyndale (1534), Geneva (1557), Rheims (1582). The King James (1611) translated the verse with the famous "whosoever" (following Cranmer's 1539 translation

John's dates - Wycliff 1395 Geneva 1587.


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Yes, the KJV is a respectable translation. In your various translations, do not overlook the dates given in my previous post, they precede yours.

Got to close, too much time has been wasted here. Blessings to you.
I have to get back to my James White teaching on the validity of the N.T.


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John UK

Regardless of whether one reads the KJV, ESV, NASB, etc. does not change the fact that 'whosoever' was not in the original Greek manuscripts.

A literal interpretation of the Greek is "all the believers," not "whoever believes" (the same is true in John 3:15). This verse would read more accurately as: "God ... gave His only begotten son, that all the believers in Him should not perish." This is actually how the verse was translated in the earliest English translations, e.g. Wyclyf (1380), Tyndale (1534), Geneva (1557), Rheims (1582). The King James (1611) translated the verse with the famous "whosoever" (following Cranmer's 1539 translation), and the popularity of that translation, coupled with the popularity of this verse in particular, has ensured that nearly every English translation since then has followed this interpretive tradition — though the NRSV and NLT are notable exceptions.


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Not your pope,

read the article and watch the video, you'll receive the answer to your question.


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NYP,

It could be worse, like Catholic baby trafficking...
http://sueliz1.wordpress.com/2011/12/12/catholic-baby-trafficking-ring-in-spain-busted/


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John UK,

Please keep in mind the Bible was written in Greek and Hebrew, and translated into the English language. Why don't you check and see for yourself, the word 'whosoever' in John 3:16 is not in the original manuscripts. I do not say this to support my 'theology'; do not be afraid to research this for yourself. If you would, you could go to salvationbygrace.org, click on the 'current Q&A topics' tab, then scroll down to 'about John 3:16' and read how there is no Greek word for 'whosoever'. I am not making this up, nor am I trying to 'convert' you to any type theology. Would you agree that English words change in meaning over time? For instance, 'gay' no longer means 'happy'. This is why I encourage you to study the Greek and Hebrew for the real, original meaning of words. E-sword is a wonderful resource for this.

See you in heaven...


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I will read it right after you watch and comment on the video link I posted.

You may be interested to know that 'whosoever' from John 3:16 does NOT even appear in the original manuscripts. "Whosoever believeth." That word construction was never part of his original letter. What he did write was, "pas ho pisteuoon." The two little Greek words "pas ho" are literally translated "all the." "Pisteuoon" is a form of the word "pisteuo," the verb form of "pistis," or "faith". "pas ho" simply does not mean "anyone at all who chooses to exercise their choice." It specifically means "all the" and it serves to designate a particular group of people who share a defining characteristic, 'faith' or 'believing'. J. McClarty


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good bye John UK.

I leave you with this, from John 3:36,
concerning 'believeth not', from the Greek apeitheō meaning 'to refuse belief and obedience' so the NASB renders it correctly, and please, take your own advice

as for John 3:16, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDxRss_v78A&feature=fvsr


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Jim L,
with all due respect, we are discussing propitiation, the verses you state are not dealing with propitiation. Again, let me reiterate, propitiation means 'atoned for'. Who was John addressing in 1 John 2:2? Believers in his area in his day, as well as those from the entire world. If in fact, Christ atoned for the sins of the whole world, then all will step into heaven upon death, because God cannot punish anyone that ever lived. That is what you believe? So the atheist, Roman Catholic, Muslim, etc. will all enter His kingdom?
If God spent His wrath on His Son, then there remains no wrath left, if, as you all state, everybody is covered under Christ's propitiation? Then what would be the point of preaching the Gospel? Everyone is going to heaven anyway, according to the theory of some.

thank you for the links


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My statement was not hypothetical, it was my opinion. You are a master at twisting things, for the sake of argument. Christ's death was powerful enough to save the world, but that isn't the case is it? My reference was to the power of the cross, NOT the shed blood.

I will not proceed any further with you until you answer this, 'You cannot deny that propitiation decides who Christ paid the 'sin debt' for. God's wrath is not on those for whom Christ died. If you deny this, then you will have to rip verses out of your bible, namely John 3:36,"He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." How can God's wrath be on the whole world if Christ was the propitiation for the whole world? You say, "propitiation of Christ is sufficient for all men, but effective only in God's elect, and that by his grace." How so? God's wrath was spent on Christ for everyone, so how is it God can punish them?

Mike NY - read John Y's last comment, I rest my case


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This is what I said, and it was NOT in reference to propitiation..."BTW, I do believe Christ's death is sufficient for all, however, I do not believe all will enter His kingdom." HUGE difference.

Since you cannot answer my question, I bid you adieu John UK.

Here is an example of where your 'altar call' gets you...

From John Y. "I was prompted by the Holy Spirit to receive Jesus as my Personal Lord and Savior during an Altar Call at my brothers Non Denominational Church in November 1997 after ignoring the Holy Spirit for so many years. I decided it was time to pay attention to the Holy Spirit and receive Jesus as my Personal Lord and Savior."
According to his own words, he ignored the Holy Spirit, then decided by his own will and power that it was 'time' to pay attention and receive Jesus. This was his human decision, all brought about by an altar call. Where does God's word say this nonsense is even biblical? This is why our churches are filled with false converts, instead of the supernatural work of God, it is the coercion and manipulation of man making emotional pleas until someone feels compelled to go forward. They never grow in Christ, never understand deep biblical truths...they're saved because they responded to the 'altar call'...


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John UK

Your problem is that you do not study God's word, you just read it; you pluck verses out of context and try to debate from that. You keep avoiding my question because if you were to answer it, your 'theology' would be proven wrong. You claim your view is only from Scripture, show me where I have gone outside Scripture in what I've stated.

I ask you again, If you believe Christ atoned for everyone's sin, then how can God punish the unbeliever, after all, Christ paid for the sin of unbelief as well. Can you answer this?
this may benefit you - Contextual analysis: 'A verse out of context can often be taken to mean something completely different from the intention. This method focuses on the importance of looking at the context of a verse in its chapter, book and even biblical context'.

I also recommend this biblical hermeneutic method, 'Grammatical interpretation is recognizing the rules of grammar and nuances of the Hebrew and Greek languages and applying those principles to the understanding of a passage. Contextual interpretation involves always taking the surrounding context of a verse/passage into consideration when trying to determine the meaning. IF you followed this, you'd know John was addressing believers in 1 John 2:2.

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