Why UPS, I didnât know you were the appointed gatekeeper. But I accept you appointment and your farewell.
I wasnât being rude to ladybug. But I hope it jolts you out of pablum Christianity.
For all your piety, would you have been just as offended if sin was trivialised? And Gods direct commands were changed so the church could build its own alter?
God says that only death breaks the marriage bond. All remarriages are adulterous. But the church allows an exception.
The issue isnât divorce. Issue is, that God spoke specifically on this and declared a sin!
Ask anyone here, & theyâll tell you theyâre against divorce. Thatâs the problem. So does your church.
Remarriage is sin. Anyone married or about to, can never remarry as long as either lives, only separates. You believe that?
Everyone knows your views on Trump abortion gays. But on this sin? Today the church will council christians to sin against God. Have you stood up and loudly against the church so others would not fall? And many more will fall not knowing different. There is no neutral position. No voice is a voice FOR I will not be a party to this. I will declare it, for God has declared it
Not all will see, if even you. You hav a bible, go on your knees and figure it out for yourself.
I believe that there has always been the elect. God has preserved both, His word and His elect, despite a relentless attach from Satan right from get go. I believe apart from God the Holy Spirit, you canot know His words. Jn16:13 -14 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth..
A true regenerate will have a hunger to know Him and His words. We can ask with confidence that when we study his scripture he will richly bless us. Our Joy is to know him.
If you know what those before us went throu to preserve the word we have. You cannot but kiss the bible for what itâs taken to get you those words. We are so fortunate that it is so readily and easily available to us. . All scripture is there to glorify God.
The church has always been under attack. Worst ones are from within. The church today promotes a tradition that goes against God.
The church says divorce is allowed if adultry is involved. Bible says that all remarriages are adultry and sin. A church tradition in direct rebellion against God. We mock sin. The issue is, why did God say it the churches position was what it out to have have been
I know what youâre saying but be careful, itâs slyly Romish.
Christopher000 wrote: yet you speak with authority on the lack of Christianity of those here.
I stand by that. I challenged you to look at scripture and make that decision. But I also accept if you want out, thatâs ok too. Either way.
I stand by that people here are married to their tradition of religiosity. Trump is no different in that he is la product of the spiritual environment around himi. Even if it stands against God. No different to anyone here.
My challenge still stands for anyone who wants to look honestly at scripture and see wether itâs God or a church tradition they are tied to.
I wasnât being rude. I asked if you would join a church that promoted adultry? Knowing adultry is sin against God. An honest question. When Jesus said to nichdemus, you must be born again, it appeared just as as insensitive since nicodemus had just complimented him. Did Jesus not know nicodemus was a Pharisee a a ruling council in the synagogue. Nicodemus knee more then Jesus about how to get to heaven. In the end, it was him who asked for the body and spent his fortune on burial. Pride can be deceiving when your ego is sensitive .
Christopher, ladybug frank SC I am issuing you a challenge. Frank, those verses you quoted, is God serious? Do you truly believe that?
Only God knows Trums faith and how he finishes. I will say this. Most people here who claim to know Christ are also compromisers worst then Trump because of the light they have received. Donât kid yourself, these are glib christians who would toss Christ for less then what trump would. I xm challenging you to have an honest look at Gods word and tell me if your clique here loves Christ or their tradition theyâre married to.
Iif Trump is compromisingg. Would you go to a church that supports aadultry? If so, where was you repentance then?
ladybug wrote: âBut have you ever asked God for forgiveness?â Luntz repeated, evoking laughter from the audience. "I am not sure I have.
I donât know Trumps heart, but if he continues to seek God he will find him. Does it bother you that someone who is new and doesnât know the vernacular is mocked condescendingly by âchristiansâ? Repentance is a verb - an act of the heart not a magical incantation word.
Would you go to a church that advocates adultry? I bet you do. What right then do you have to make any kind of judgement. From darkness, preachers and seasoned christians make proclamations on others. These are the ones without excuse and judgement should fall upon. On another thread I mentioned divorce. The issue isnât divorce, it is the utter hypocrisy and darkness that some have conspired to join in against God. Deliberate ignorance isnât an excuse. If the church is guilty, you are without excuse.
SC I believe Trump recognises the God of the bible and responds very positively to it. Heâs a baby in his faith. When I was new, I couldnât tell a Pentecostal from ecumenical ,.... Trump is unlike that last guy who played a christian because America wasnât ready for a foreign born Muslim. They are now!
I think Trump will eventually succumb to the powers that swirl around that level. We will still see Rep vs Dem conflicts. What you wonât see is anything that is sacrosanct to the power at the back. I donât think Trump can stay outside that and prevail. Heâll say uncle.
Person wrote: 1)âAnd I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: 2)and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.â ââMatthewâŹ â19:9âŹ âKJVâŹâŹ
If youâre serious about studying Gods word, thenn pray about it and perhaps I can help you with what Iâve learned. If youâre like most here, they rove around and hit interesting topics with what they think is out of their religiosity. They can go figure it out for themselves. To me, anyone that speaks on abortion, homosexuality, or makes any moral judgement is simply giving an opinion even if from percieved religious conviction. Gods truth is Gods truth and ittâs consistent here as elsewhere. Anyone that does not apply it here, has no right to apply it anywhere. Roving and doing a hit and run on topics is entertaining but has no power.
Mt19:9 does that verse make any sence if divorce is ONlLY allowed for cheating?
On the whole, a great leader who fears God and wants to do good by the people heâs been called to lead.
Trump is not my saviour. Heâs not a theologian. But by the grace of God, he wants to restore America to the favour it enjoyed with the one true God it once knew, when America truly was under Gods protection and blessings. No other country in the world is good enough to kiss the ground that USA stands on. What a refreshing u-turn Trump is from the last foreigner, the one in whom no truth ever dwelt.
Pray for the president. Pray for Israel, the only true friend America has in this world. Until our Lord restores his city in the holy land, weâve never known of a better country.
There is no divorce. The bible makes no allowance for divorce! Not even âexcept for adultry ....â
The church is so entrenched in this unbiblical position, and has been for so long, that the true biblicall position now feels so foreign. For all the talk of not following manâs traditions, your own man that you are, you then dove into the bible and came up with the same wrong conclusion. Coincidentally!
Anyways, youâre neutral. Right? Not that your lack of voice against is actually a voice FOR in further solidifying the churches default position. Which then stands as a great cloud of witness that leads others to live wrong against God. But your hands are clean, for this is tha game grace was meant to cover.
IF IF IF all remarriage outside of death is adultry, then an adulterous church has no leg to stand on in defining Christian marriage or speaking against sodomite marriages.
God says that only death breaks the marriage bond. You can separate but remarriage is adultry because the marriage bond remains as long as either party is alive!
Jews Gentiles Israel - What got missed in the editing is that since I donât see the point in this distinction, I am open to further study but this extra classification of people makes no sense in the light of Jn 3:10
June, I want to encourage you in your walk. John was spot on. I wanted to write to support him but missed the opportunity.
On the doctrine of grace, you are not going to win any Arminianist over. And Arminists donât like admitting to being one. Be careful when someone says, âI donât follow men ...â This really is veiled pride and arrogance. I donât follow Calvin the man, but Calvinism (via Dort) systematically articulates what was already the churchâs position. These people dedicated their lives, and risked them in their pursuit to understand Gods word and I thank God for them.
I believe in the imputation of the original sin. A fetus is DOA and just as much in need of the cross!
Jews Gentiles & ISRAEL? In Luke 26:6-8 Paul in laying out his defence says that the promise made by God to their ancestors, âto which our twelve tribes hope to see fulfilled as they earnestly serve God night and day,â is the promise he is proclaiming in Christ. And for this he is being opposed of by Jews. Are Jews and Israel distinct or used interchangeably?
In explaining the new birth to Nicodemus, a Pharisee and ruler of the JEWS, Jesus refers to him as a teacher of ISRAEL!
Watcher wrote: We have "church" on Sundays in the home, and I try to have devotions at every meal of some sort. Of course with life, it's hard sometimes. I have four kids and it's imperative that I fill their hearts with seeds, because I have no guarantee that I'll be here tomorrow. Make hay whilst the sun shines, for tomorrow may be too dark. Keep up the submission to God's sovereignty, perhaps He has you in that church for a reason you weren't expecting!
God bless And Iâll pray for you and your family.
Just as an aside, I am more a quite reserved person. Itâs quite something to worship with the happy clappys.
I had some reservation about current their music. But I remember listening to Amy Grant, Keith Green, Twila Paris, Margaret Becker, Stephen Curtis Chapman, 2nd Capter of Acts...(overdoing the point here?) Even Amazing Grace, while based on the bible is not a chapter of Hezekiah. Just like Dallas Homes Rise Again, Hillsongs music may be doing the same thing.
The only question for me is, will I remain sensitive to discern truth from error. And am I faithful to God and lending credibility to where he wants me to.
Watcher wrote: No I have not found a church for my family. It's sad. My only problem with Houston's response was it was very polished and safe. That scares me. Just be careful is all. Leaven can creep in unawares and you can be deceived without knowing it. I pray you exist to glorify God even if it means standing against leadership if you see something amiss.
Something we need to do humbly, on our knees before God.
How are you handling your familyâs worship? Are you just visits churches? I have two kids that I have to get involved in some structured form of worship.
uk essay servie wrote: She perseveres through incredible vulnerability about her future. Be that as it may, notwithstanding these weights, she keeps on sticking to Christ in confidence, Fatuma's family rehearsed vigorously syncretistic people Islam,
In times past, these spammers would paste generic posts in as many threads as possible. But now it looks like they have to read and try to somewhat relate in broken English their spams to dupe posters into following them.
I have NEVER clicked on any spam link. Pray, I never will
Thanks both of you. Ironically, the two I've been trying to look up were the independent Baptist and reformed Baptist.
I am a T.U.L.I.P.
It is very hard to tell from a few sermons, or a church's statement of faith, what they believe in. Both, Armenianists' and Calvinists' use the same biblical terminologies. Can you tell which ones are which here on SA? You can even have a "Baptist" that speaks in tongues.
I prefer a smaller independent run church that is not under a large organization. For you can see how divergent or "progressive" doctrines have to mix and get along in large organized denominations.
On large churches, I've been visiting Hillsong with my kids. To say "epic" is an understatement. Even with multiple morning services, its quite AWEsome to be in a service surrounded by several thousand people, with loud contemporary music, huge screens, kids building with jumping castles, food carts outside...etc. Makes you WANNA go to church!!!
But despite being wrapped up in bad doctrine of Pentecostalism/female pastors/NAR/seeker sensitive Arminianism, Hillsong people really do love the LORD. And I pray for them.
Hearing from the two of you is very encouraging - as confirmation of the direction I was already headed in!