It's hard to just pick one if you don't know the context the word is used in.

E.g., the word "run" has 34 different uses and meanings in the english language...how can you say what "run" means without knowing the context it is being used in?

Just like that silly "when will the rapture be" question...Your bound to be wrong just by answering the question, no matter which one you pick.

This survey, your bound to be right, no matter which one you pick.

Michael Hranek wrote:
Kevin
Check carefully and notice that Jesus returns not alone but with the saints at the end of the tribulation

Mike wrote:
"imo, if you would of asked any of the puritans or reformers the same question above--they would not be able to answer it, nor would they attempt to."

I wonder how disappointed today's reformed will be if it turns out to be true.

The "reformed" (your words) will not be disappointed...because we (I) do not put our hope in fantastical (holywood) false doctrines; but on Christ himself, and in his death and resurrection...(not our own flying away to heaven before some so called tribulation.)

Disappointment comes only when "hope" is broken...Our hope in Christ will not be broken, therfore we will not be (nore cannot be) disappointed.

But those who put their faith in false teachings of deliverence from tribulation...when tribulation actually (persecution) comes, will not they be disappointed?

Why is there not a space to answer either "No Rapture", or a space provided without the inclusion of some sort of tribulation theory?

I could not answer the survey because the bible does not teach that there is going to be a rapture either before, in the middle of, or after some so-called "tribulation period", or before some so-called "pre-wrath."...You have to assume the false teaching of a 7 year future tribulation.

imo, if you would of asked any of the puritans or reformers the same question above--they would not be able to answer it, nor would they attempt to.

This survey is like asking the question, "what's the best way to make a round square?"....no matter which way you attempt to answer it, you are bound to be wrong.

This is not scriptural, therefore..any thought as to wether a supposed rapture will occur pre, mid, or post "tribulation", is absolutely irrelevant.

It's like aksing "when will Jesus die for the sin's of the aliens from mars"...
All answers would be wrong because the question is wrong.

I clearly stated that I was talking about the State and not the saints or the church. The state carries out the vengeance.

1 Timothy 1:8
Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient,.. for the ungodly and sinners, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality.
Romans 13
But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he [the state] does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer.

This is horrible news, and all these politicians are ignorant fools.

BUT IT IS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD, nor is it a fulfillment of prophecy. I imagine I (and millions of other Christians) have the same bible that you have and have never read anything of the political happenings in America being part of some end times scenario.

I'm not going to respond to your first paragraph on here because there is too much error for me to respond to. (I don't think your understanding of Law and covenant is correct) But I will to the second.

I'm not advocating for people to kill anybody. Of course the disciples did not kill anyone, it was Rome (civil government) who had the sword, not the Church.
The state has the sword to punish evil doers (I said that already and you did not read). If the state puts to death murderers for their evil deeds then likewise, on the grounds of God's law, they should execute sodomites and witches.

My point had nothing to do with the Church or Christian people. Our role is to preach the gospel, even to sodomites and witches. But, being they have sinned a sin unto death (worthy of capital punishment) we cannot keep the state from exuecuting them for their evil deeds. We pray only that they would repent and accept the gospel.
No different then preaching to those who are currently on death row. Their deeds deserve the death penalty, but we still preach the good news of salvation in Christ.

It does not matter in what time or society we live in. The moral law of God is a fixed absolute. If someone in ancient Israel fell off a building and died because the law of gravity restrained them, then so will the American today who falls off a building. Both die because the Law is fixed. It does not matter if you are ignorant of the law, reject the law, or if you are in a humanistic democracy that makes up their own laws, the law of God does not change.

If it was morally right, not only that but it was commanded by God, that the government execute witches and sodomites, then surely it is morally right to do so today.

It was morally right to feed the poor 5000 years ago. Is it now morally wrong to feed the poor?

Your problem is not with me. It is God who say's that the sodomite and witch shall die for their sin, and that the civil government bares the sword to punish evil doers. But if the civil government fails to bare the sword then it is useless.

If anyone wants to debate this subject then I will be more then happy to, ecspecially in light of the clear teachings of scripture. You can go to this forum to discuss many biblical topics.

www.reformed.org/forums

My user name is Moses.

Exodus 22:18 Do not permit a witch to live.

Thankfully Jesus said "all power in heaven and ON EARTH has been give to me".

We are at war with muslim terrorist's who uphold the quaran. If any American then swears on this quran, it should be considered treason.

Also, swearing or making an oath has to do with "truth". The quran represents a lie, therefore taking an oath (truth vow) upon a lie would not be an oath.