John UK wrote:
Aha! Then I apologise again for mistaking what you wrote. You see how good God is in sanctifying us, through tribulations and misunderstandings, brethren arguing with each other when they believe exactly the same thing? I believe there is a purpose to our little exchange, probably to show me that I've caught a minor infection off Presby and need to get back on the narrow way before it lays me low. I don't want to end up in a nursing home in Kilmarnock.
Thanks for the chat, it is all in the sovereign will of God.

These good works, done in obedience to God's commandments, are the fruits and evidences of a true and lively faith…( LBCF — Chapter XVI: Of Good Works)

John UK wrote:
But when I agreed, saying, "Yes, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt assuredly be in heaven" you replied that you could not accept that.

"John UK wrote:
You reckon that a sinner could "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ" and be saved for a while, but end up in hell.

I said "But just to let you know I don't believe any such thing"

John UK wrote:
2. Right, we can. And our works will neither diminish nor increase the perfect righteousness which we have in Christ, and with which we shall get to heaven, having had our sins forgiven.
3. Reformed Baptist, check out the website I post with and recommend.
Well you did say, "Maybe you should have asked first instead of jumping on it so quickly, condemning me as a heretic."
If you had said you were a 1689 Baptist at the commencement ......
Instead, you recommend the entire world to learn from an heretical article written by an heretical cult, who have their own spin on the Strait and Wide Gate teaching of Jesus.

I already told you that was a mistake. Have you never made a mistake?

Why would i start with the 1689 baptist confession? I didn't even think of it.

John UK wrote:
1. Correct.
2. Well it would have been rather difficult for that saved man to work out his salvation (sanctification) with fear and trembling, seeing as he only had an hour to live, and was pinned to a cross. Imagine that, a whole lifetime of sinning, thieving and being generally disagreeable, and in his dying moments he calls Jesus Lord, asks him to remember him, and shortly he is in heaven as a saint. You see, it only takes a few choice words.
3. Correct.
4. And your choice of church?

John UK wrote:
1. Ah, I thought that might be the case. You googled the text and found a "suitable" article, not knowing it was a cultish non-denominational non-confessional worldwide "church" who believe in baptismal regeneration and salvation by works. If you're a young Christian I apologise for being a bit pedantic with you. Be wary on the internet, brother. Heresies abound.
2. Thank you. You see now why I mentioned the dying thief who had no opportunity to work out his salvation with fear and trembling.
3. Correct! The churches are indeed full of them. And it gets worse day by day. Do you have a local fellowship where you get good teaching and companionship?

2. The dying thief was saved and went to heaven with the Lord. What does this have to do with working out our salvation with fear and trembling.

John UK wrote:
1. When you post a link to a website, it is understood that you believe what that website stands for. On the site you linked earlier is found this statement if you scroll down to [URL=http://www.bible.ca/indexsalvation.htm]]]Point Five - Baptism - New Birth[/URL] . The site is cultish.
2. Correct, the Christian life is extremely difficult. If you go back to the commencement, I was posting about the recent death of my mother, who I spoke to a few days before she died. She was incapacitated, and the gospel for her was simple, as she could do naught but believe on Christ and be saved.
3. No. You did not believe on Christ, or you would repent. The two are the same.

2. I am sorry about the loss of your mother. Only God knows

3. Really! There are many out there that say they believe in Jesus Christ and say they are Christians. Yet there is no change in them and they are worldly. The churches are full of them.

John UK wrote:
NSS
The point I made was that just as in justification, when God's grace renews the will and a change of direction ensues (note, NOT a decision of mine, but by God's grace alone) so it is in sanctification. God's new son seeks to obey his new Lord, and if he goes wrong, God the Father chastises him, as a good parent his child. But the Father is not counting up Brownie Points, to see if his son deserves to be allowed into heaven.
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I am not speaking of a works salvation but that sanctification will follow justification. The narrow road is difficult unless you think sufferings,trials,tribulations,persecutions, battling with sin, Satan and the world etc. are easy. And it's only by the grace of God that his people persevere to the end.

If I say I am saved because I believed in Jesus Christ and I continue on in my sin (no repentance) and have one foot in the world. Am I truly His?

(Jas 2:17) Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

So... wrote:
your saying we don't have to; by the Spirit, mortify the deeds of the body so that we will live?
WCF SC Q. 35 What is sanctification?
A. Sanctification is the work of God's free grace, whereby we are renewed in the whole man after the image of God, and are enabled more and more to die unto sin and live unto righteousness.

Yes, works are the result of grace but are these things easy to do or are they difficult?

quote "But what you haven't yet realised is that you sin thousands of times a day. Every little second of nonconformity to the will of God is sin. And you do that all the time."

That's right I do, so then according to you it just doesn't matter if I sin. I shouldn't worry about it. Is that right!

quote "Just as justification is by God's grace, so too is sanctification. It is God's work, not yours. You have succombed to legalism, just like all the other false religions of the world."

Again, according to you i do nothing in sanctification, God works in me and I do nothing?

I must have hit the nail on the antinomian head?!!

John UK wrote:
But you don't believe that. You reckon that a sinner could "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ" and be saved for a while, but end up in hell.

But just to let you know I don't believe any such thing
All true Christians will persevere to the end. What don't you understand about that.

If sanctification does not follow justification then something is very wrong

(1) "Positional sanctification is that state of holiness imputed to the Christian at the moment of their conversion to Christ. It denotes not so much one’s spiritual condition as his spiritual position."

John UK wrote:
So your answer to the question: "What must I do to be saved?" is....

Again: Justification - the Lord does it. It is the start of salvation.

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.

Also, your point is??? We are to daily mortify the deeds of the body.

John UK wrote:
Correct! And the Lord does it. Not of works lest any man should boast.

Sanctification - is the believer and the Lord working together.

(Jas 2:17) Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

John UK wrote:
If you walk in through the narrow gate, rather than the broad gate, you are in and saved. Did you never read "Pilgrim's Progress"?
v14 This can be paralleled with John 10
John 10:7 KJV
7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
and
John 10:9 KJV
Men love darkness rather than light for their deeds are evil. Ah but there are some few that FIND it. And these are the saved ones, God's precious flock. They humble themselves before God, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and they are saved.

The narrow wayers – true Christians, the way is difficult but they will persevere to the end by God’s grace.

The broad roaders – professing Christians, the way is easy and they will persevere in their own way.

(Mat 7:22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

John UK wrote:
The simplicity of the gospel is summed up in this discourse:

[URL=http://www.bereanbiblechurch.org/transcripts/som/7_13-14.htm]]]Two Roads[/URL]

“First, Jesus says that it is the gate that leads to life. This obviously means that it is the gate that leads men to heaven.

Second, Jesus says that it is a "strait" gate. The word "strait" means difficult. Jesus tells us that entering heaven will not be easy. This is a surprise to most people, because they have been taught that the way to heaven is easy. They've been taught, " All you have to do to be saved is believe in Jesus." There is a great difference between what men teach today and what Jesus taught then.

Third, Jesus tells us that there are not many people going in through this strait gate and narrow way. He says, "Few there be that find it." This too, is a surprise to many folks, because they believe that most people will be saved because most people believe in God.

Jesus has told us three things about the strait gate.

1. It is the gate that leads to heaven.

2. It is difficult to enter.

3. There will not be many people who go in the strait gate.

So far, we have no trouble understanding what Jesus has said. While it may not agree with what most have been taught and believe, it is clear and easy to understand.”

Michael Hranek wrote:
salvation is indeed simple,

Mat 7:13-14

J Gill "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way,...And so, difficult to enter in at; and when entered, the way is unpleasant to the flesh to walk in, being hedged up on each side with afflictions and tribulations… "The gate is strait"; small and little, and so unobserved: there is but one way to heaven… "The way is narrow", and so disagreeable; the company few, and not engaging. Men choose large gates, broad ways, and much company. The flesh loves to walk at liberty, unconfined, and uncontrolled, and with a multitude to do evil: hence, Zion's ways are thin of passengers; a small number, comparatively speaking, walk thereto, and will be saved; a remnant, a little flock, a little city, and few men in it."