I attend an acapella psalms only church. To briefly address the point/question as to acapella... in the OT worship service, the instrument/trumpet was only used to point to/begin the sacrifice. Since Christ is our sacrifice and a blood sacrifice is no longer needed, neither is the instrument. Ironically, I think of the bell ringing during the presentation of the eucharist in the catholic service... anyway, since God never commanded instruments in the corporate worship service other than what was mentioned above, the acapella stance is that what was not commanded is forbidden. There is a book by D.Prutow called Public Worship 101 that is VERY in depth on this issue.
That's a very abbreviated reason for acapella.
I do agree that there is such a refreshing simplicity of worship music done this way.
Well, she read from scripture. God's Word will not return void, but will accomplish what it is set out to do. Praise God His Word went out!!! As to her motives on reading it? I do not know. I do know that a Clinton administration would have not done this. May the Holy Spirit effectually apply the Holy Word and awaken hearts.
Praise God for prayer!!! I agree, would you rather Christians not pray? We should be praying at all times... and how wonderful to have a group to pray! I'm thankful that we have the liberty (bought with blood) to do so. Praise Him for leading our elected officials to come to throne of grace seeking his wisdom in ruling us.
I wondered this when this story first came to light a few weeks ago.... I'm a bit skeptical as to the truthfulness of the events as NK is known for forcing "confessions" to fraudulent charges. A recent example would be the Canadian pastor who was also recently sentenced. ...just wondering....
I'm thankful that we have places as Christians to go and take our children where the Word of God is not mocked... unlike most museums and national parks which are full of evolutionary propaganda. It's easy to judge what others should do with their money, but I think this is a Christian Liberty issue. Ken Ham's resources have for years been very helpful to us. Most Christians will spend part of their income on vacations and entertainment. I'm happy to have an edifying venue to choose from. I'm sure the proceeds from visitors are used in a more God honoring way than what a secular museum would be.
Thank you SA for your ministry. I so appreciate the many broadcasters, especially Washer, Voddie, Lawson, Morecraft, Chalcedon, Lloyd-Jones, Swanson..... And the up and coming seminary student, Gary Gunn.... And many others!!! What a blessing to access first class teaching here in the middle of nowhere!!
What he orchestrated is just amazing. I am disappointed in the lack of faith based motives in the article. Either it is selective journalism or Christ wasn't much of a factor???? From what I know of Lila Rose, I don't know that an article could be written about her that exempts her faith. Since this guy worked in her organization, perhaps he indeed does possess saving faith and the journalist just didn't deem it as important as "nightmare before Christmas" socks.....
Ladybug, I'm glad you have contacted her personally and hopefully will be able to assess on a personal level what she believes. That is loving. I don't know if she shared the gospel with the sodomites. Generally, I've found that those who deliberately seek to make a scene by going somewhere where they know they will be denied when they will be served by someplace down the street, they are generally hardened to the gospel and perhaps it is casting pearls before swine. They tend to have another agenda. So who knows. If she did share the gospel would the media report it? I don't know her, I don't know her heart, she hadn't been a household name long enough for me to accurately assess her fruits (like.. Say... Donald Trump)... So I'm just trying to be cautious and give her the benefit of the doubt until I know enough to apply 1 John principles in judging her fruit... Or lack there of. I ask myself this: if I'm wrong, would I rather be wrong by supporting a wolf in sheep's clothing, or would I rather be wrong by slaying one of the sheep? Tough issues and tough questions. Ps-tough to compare her to JY as he is on here to personally interact with us posters. We see more of his heart by his answering questions, and we've "known" him for quite awhile. We can't say that for KD. I app
As for her rights, she is a civil magistrate in realm of her job description. She is upholding the laws which she was elected to uphold in the capacity in which she is able. According to Romans 14, my understanding is that we obey the government unless they forbid what God commands or command what God forbids. I think she is objecting the best she knows how... Perhaps the Lord has brought her to that position for such a time as this...
I'm only saying that we should be very careful in how we love our brother and should examine ourselves for logs in our own eyes first. I love my sisters in Christ! I love what many of you have commented on here at SA in the past (especially and including MS and Ladybug). I find it edifying and encouraging. I'm concerned about where our country is heading. If it continues down this trajectory, we will all need the support of God's elect. Will we have it? Oh, I pray we will!
Ladybug, Yes, I disagree with that denominational theology... If you carefully read what I wrote, just because someone attends a certain church does not necessarily mean they agree with every point of that denominational doctrine. It may... It may not... As for her individually, we don't know if she hold to each point of that doctrine. What we do know is that she claims Christ. She did not say she had a powerful testimony... That's not what I said. Someone else said it was a powerful testimony. My point is that there are judgements being passed upon her based solely on the theology of a church.... And she may not even believe those things. I have friends that go to a Pentecostal church who are most definitely saved and they do not agree with all of the doctrine of their church. I also know saved Catholics who do not agree with the Catholic doctrine, but have not left. My church's doctrine is psalms only and no musical instruments. While I love it, I don't believe it has to be that way... I'm sure there are a lot of us that don't agree with every single point of each denominational doctrine.
As for her "powerful testimony", she did not write those words, so criticizing her and dogging her about the power or lack thereof isn't fair. And furthermore, we don't know whether or not she shared Christ with others in jail or not. Do you really think the media would report that? I think we are on a slippery slope here... Satan doesn't have to work real hard to take down the sheep when the other sheep do the work for him...
So what do you propose we/she do? There has to be a point where we stand up against tyranny and ungodly laws. Our lesser magistrates standing up for biblical doctrines seem to be a way of limiting tyrannical powers coming down the pipe. Kudos to her for making a stand and trying to enforce the laws of Kentucky which were also voted on by her constituents (as I understand). I also was under the impression that without her name on those licenses, they aren't even valid... So it seems like she is acting in a sly way to abide by judge's orders, yet still make her point.
I think we need to be very careful here about her theology. We are told that we are to love the brethren and others would even recognize us by that love. It does not say that we are to love those brethren who have only perfect theology. And there are lots of solid Christians with good theology who attend not so good churches for whatever reason... So you can't make an absolutely confident assessment of her theology based only upon her denomination. There are also churches in apostate denominations that are solid but haven't broken away from the denomination. Perhaps hers is one of them??? I don't know, and you probably don't either. Christians tend to cannibalize each other... Shame on us!
Christopher, sorry for your loss. One way we look at it is this: people's bodies get sick and they die. We can be sick in a physical way as well as in a mental way, and can die from either one. Sometimes, a sickness mentally can cause a person to do the unthinkable and it doesn't necessarily mean that they were not saved any more than a mortal physical ailment means you aren't saved. As far as people saying that he couldn't ask forgiveness for that, Jesus died for our sins: past, present, and future. We all will have unconfessed sin when we die for things that we didn't even know were sin. The person who dies in a car wreck probably didn't confess everything right at that moment either. That's my two cents...
I'll admit that I haven't studied a lot on kjv only reasoning. I also have not taken the time to thoroughly read thru every comment on this thread. But what does seem to be missing is the classification categories of the modern translations. Not all of them are equal. For instance, there are the paraphrase translations like the "message", thought for thought translations (NIV, NLT), and then word for word translations (ESV, NAS, KJV). I'm not seeing a problem with the word for word translations and honestly, some of the more recent word for words have been translated from earlier manuscripts than the KJV. I haven't noticed any significant difference in the meaning of the texts in those word for word translations I have read. That being said, I currently reading from the 1599 Geneva Bible and enjoying it very much. I never recommend the NIV (esp. since the 2011 revision came out)... Many strong pastors use the modern word for word: Voddie uses ESV, Paul Washer uses NASB, Joe Morecraft uses NASB, etc... I don't want to be disagreeable and I will look more into this issue as I get time... But don't make the mistake of putting all recent translations into the same boat.... They are not all equal..
MS -I didn't interpret your comment at all in that way. I appreciate you convictions and your sharing them! I agree with the rest of your post too... Accurate assessment....... Heading for shelter now! Lol!!
Hi MS! Great to see you post! I admire your strong stance. My husband hasn't made that strong of a decision for us, but we only rarely attend an RC event. It just happens that I've had two back to back situations this spring... So it's all fresh in my mind. A college buddy of my hubby's was killed in a freak accident and we felt that we would have an opportunity to witness to old friends at his funeral. Then a graduation for kindergarteners and 6th graders... My friend desperately wanted us to come for her son (who is like a son to me). I had no idea there was a mass before the ceremony... Otherwise I would have just come late..... The priest spoke about everybody going to heaven and even my 10 year old commented later about his wrong theology.... So many deceived..... And so many who just don't even care..... My mother-in-law is one of them....
If you are participating in the mass, then you are praying to Mary, the saints, and taking part in the idolatry of the Eucharist. For example: ....and I ask blessed Mary ever virgin, all the angels and saints, and you my brothers and sisters to pray for me to the lord our god... That is part of the liturgy that is said in unison every mass. The RC does worship "a jesus" as a god.... But he does not have the same attributes as THE Jesus of the Bible. So the RC Jesus and the RC God are not the one true triune God despite what they claim. You seem to have made an idol out of the RC.... Regardless of having full knowledge of its false teachings. Being a born again ex-catholic, I am nauseated when I have to attend a mass that happens to be a part of a funeral, wedding, or graduation. The false doctrine is so blatantly obvious. It pains me to see plain scriptural doctrines twisted and my Lord degraded.