John UK wrote: On your last point, Christopher, I'm afraid you are way out. Many indeed, have been swayed by the lies of the liberals who brought in the modern texts and thusly the modern versions. You say, "Which liberals?" All of those from Westcott and Hort onwards, even the "United Bible Societies" who are all in cahoots with Rome and the ecumenical movement. When it comes to the salvation issue, "faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God". So, what will happen if the word of God is corrupted? And what will happen if the doctrine of "faith only" is erased from the scripture, so that only a works based system is left? There is evidence that this is happening. Don't forget bro, that many brave reformers died for their stand on this issue. Rome killed those who would translate into English, and they still have a hatred for the KJB, for it exposes their hypocrisy and false doctrines.
Not to be smart, but shouldn't you be explaining your position in KJB language, so to make sure that lasting change can come as a result of it? Or perhaps the effectiveness of your speech will be lessened by using modern tongues? I'm just saying, wanna make sure the salvific nature of the word sticketh...
Hey Frank, thanks for the words, bro. I don't see where my fallacy was, but I am definitely open to see where it was. Iron sharpening iron and all ...
IE, I'm not even going to bother. You have your mind made up about me and assume you know all about this subject. Btw, you did not answer my questions, and quoting KJV verses is not proving a point, but restating your opinion. Here's another one for you: the Spanish you wrote, did you translate that from the KJV 1611, the 1791 revision, or the Geneva Bible? And why translate it? Didn't you just corrupt God's holy preserved word where He saith what he meaneth? Thou art inconsistent on this issue, mine brother. And why bother trying to prove your version with referencing ancient dates and papyri? It is the Word of God, is it not? No further proof needed, only your assertion, yes?
Christopher, couldn't agree more brother.
And for the record, I love the KJV and value it greatly. I just don't worship it, or any ignorance that would teach me that there are no variants in the textual traditions that even the KJV translators would recognize...
Sigh...I should have known this would take a non-reflective direction at some point. Leave it to the irrational KJV-only position to find a weed where none exists. Let me ask you; is this the only area of the Bible that procalims the exclusivity of Christ? Please define for the modern reader the following with AV language: hearth, penknife, leaves
Also, do you really feel comfortable claiming to know my heart and accusing me of demonic deception? You don't know who I am, have not asked of me Christian testimony, or my stance on Scripture (which that it is inerrant, infallible, and completely sufficient in the original autographa). But you already know it don't you, since you can read my mind and heart? Tell me sir, are you ready to stand before God for your words on the day of judgment towards one of His children proclaimed falsely? How incredibly ignorant and foolish and a proof of the point I made previously. I love doctrinal purity, but I doubt that will convince you, since you seem to worship an English translation rather than the God it points to. Shame on you for assuming you know me or my heart and deconstructing my plain statements.
Also, can you please explain what "mike like spike" means? Aside from it being a childish dig of some sort that's meant to be pithy...
When you say names, are you looking for me to dig up dirt on people? To be quite honest with you, I've got enough of my own to be repenting of that I don't need to become the Sermon Audio hound of justice. Or are you referring to naming you or someone else? Why would I name someone like you when I agreed with your response in part? I am just noting a general tenor of this site can be vile in its lambasting of others in the name of doctrinal purity, textual superiority (ala KJV onlyism), and other forms of spiritual elitism. I can't and won't name anyone, as I fail to see the point of such an endeavour. All it would do on a site like this is pour blood in the shark tank, so to speak.
Btw Frank, you don't need to comment to Chris about me as if I were not in the room, so to speak. You may address me directly .
Exactly! Or perhaps he is a Christian who finds some matter of moral practice and judgment that he agrees with Beck on (perhaps from different starting points) and was even inspired by the man in some way towards looking at his own life. The problematic nature of the issue is that he is a public figure seeming to lend credibility to a man who is the follower of a deceptive cult and is himself deceived into thinking reformation of life equals restoration of soul. I believe that there are people, unbelievers though they may be, that can become at least superficially role models for others, even though their virtuous life is ultimately falsified by their rejection of Christ. I see a lot of "shooting our own" on this site in the name of purity to doctrine and I wonder if this is not an example of Revelation 2-Ephesian church love of truth being exemplified by some on this site while losing their first love, so to speak. I just think we need to be careful when assessing someone's salvation based on statements made publicly. ..when those statements made publicly do not destroy the foundation of the once for all faith delivered to the saints. And Frank, we most definitely agree on the nature of salvation; born from above, my friend! And Christopher, I think you capture the issue well i
Yes, I am well aware of Mormonism. That isn't the point of my inquiry. My point is salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone, yes? I just kind of think it's a quick jump to judge someone's heart if they learn something from a Mormon or view a Mormon as a role model. True, it MAY be lacking in wisdom, depending on how the man means Beck is a role model to him (the quote offered is too inconclusive to determine). But to say that the man is not a Christian is I think dangerously close to added works to salvation, as if the Lord only saves those whose theological ducks are completely sorted out. That's all...
This is from his Facebook page (Andrew White for Texas Governor):
Iâm humbled by and unbelievably grateful for the Houston GLBT Political Caucus' endorsement. Mark my words: I will fight hard for full LGBTQ equality as Governor and come out swinging against any efforts to discriminate. Itâs past time to treat all Texans fairly and equally under the law. Please help us keep our momentum by chipping in here: secure.actblue.com/donate/awcaucus #DoRightTX
He should be removed from office -- yesterday!
No doubt, the woman-heavy staff at Christ the King would rise up in protest. The leadership should repent of their willful blindness (could anyone be shocked by his positions?) and accept the hostility sure to come their way.
Christopher000 wrote: Mike|New York...check in if you see this. Everything been okay? Was wondering about the situation you were having with a family member.
Thank you, Chris. Ongoing issue. Someone we dearly love on a wrong path. Without intervention by God, doesn't look good. Probably more clarity by year end, unless a miracle. Who's to say the Lord doesn't do that anymore? Thanks for your prayers.
I was blessed. As a young man, I found this sermon refreshing and stirring. If we all run in a race, yet only one receives the prize. . Paul says ârun so that you may obtain.â (Corinthians)
Thank you Pastor Bruce for a good reminder that as we find all of our strength and grace from the fullness of Christ, our lives will matter. They will not be wasted... even if God determines that they be short...
Made me think of Leonard Ravenhills quoteâ
âOnly one life, twill soon be past,
Only what is done for Christ will last...â
âAnd when I am dying, how happy I shall be,
If the lamp of my life, has been burned out for thee.â
May God bless you and your congregation Pastor Bruce.
Christopher000 wrote: Mike, thanks for the prayers (trying to steer clear of other thread).
Don't blame you, Chris.
If you or anyone has a mind to, we too need prayers in my family, as serious issues have come to light. Please pray for God's direct intervention in it, and that I and others may have Godly wisdom. Someone precious is on a bad path.
Christopher000 wrote: --- I don't believe they should, and I never quite understand why personal disagreements and/or corrections, at times, cause such bitterness and vindictiveness. I'm not even necessarily talking about matters of doctrine either. I could be perfectly fine with someone, but bring something to their attention or disagree on something, and you get treated like you're no longer a brother or something. That's some kind of response that I dont understand coming from Christians. I'll correct you, but don't you even think about correcting me or were gonna have a problem. I can use my wife as a great example...she can bee I tee see h and criticize all the live long day, but the moment I bring her name into the equation, I can't even get a single sentence out...she just won't listen to anything negative with her name attached. Compliments, sure thing, but constructive criticism...how dare you.
Insights born of pain, and willingness to learn, Chris. Commendable.
As to how to deal with conflict you see here, look for the fruit of the Spirit being displayed-love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, etc. Also, look for anger, projection, hostility, rejection. Bible says by their fruits ye shall know them.
Jim Lincoln wrote: --- ( Roy Mooreâs wife: President Trump âowes us a thank youâ for diverting attention from Russia probe) ) Roy as usual is just looking out for himself. IE, you mean David Brooks is a Pharisee or zealot like the so-called "Christian" supporters of such people like Moore? Unfortunately, David is only slightly better than those types, because I believe he's an atheist--at least he isn't a hypocrite. ---
Oh, but he is at minimum a hypocrite, because being one who promotes immorality in what he believes, and lives out by leaving his long-time wife for a new young thing, all the while saying supporters of Moore are heretics. Really? I suppose to the religion of liberalism they are. How twisted can Brooks be when he says:
"And if youâre putting politics above personal morality, above the way we treat each other, above the nature of your own soul, youâre just â youâre making an idol out of it."
"A progressive evangelical pastor whose 2015 pro-gay marriage announcement led to a steep decline in his church's membership now says that he believes he should have given his church more input on the announcement than he did"
What is progressive about a pastor taking a church back centuries to Sodom?
Jim Lincoln wrote: "David Brooks wrote: "...defenders of Roy Moore... --- "Theyâre saying politics is higher than morality. And no honest person can possibly believe that. And if youâre putting politics above personal morality, above the way we treat each other, above the nature of your own soul, youâre just â youâre making an idol out of it
(Shields and Brooks on sexual misconduct in politics,...)
Same old, new direction. Now defenders of the need for evidence are heretics. Nothing like mixing religion with politics, right Jim?
I have to wonder why Brooks thinks it's moral to convict an accused in the media, and without trial? Maybe he thinks he's judge and jury. Un-American as it gets. But liberals, especially the ones pretending to be moderates, fit that description.
This "moral" man wink wink divorced his wife of 27 years, and married his much younger former research assistant.
He wrote a piece back when, for the NY Times recommending Obama run for president. BO's sharp pantleg crease impressed him, it seems.
He supported "gay marriage" long before it became legal.
He supported Clinton as opposed to Trump.
Yes, Jim, keep posting your thoughts through Brooks.
From the news: "Evangelical leaders, including Russell Moore, Kay Warren, and Beth Moore, have criticized Christians who continue to defend Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore despite allegations that he sexually assaulted teenage girls while in his early 30s."
"...criticized Christians who continue to defend.... despite allegations..."
Good for Christians who need a bit more evidence than conveniently timed accusations. Bad for Russell Moore and Rick Warren's wife who have fingers in the air to see which way the wind might be blowing.