Life in all its fullness Wisdom vs Folly. God vs Self.
Proverbs is deceptive. It sounds too simple and easy to understand to bless and shape the Christian and the Church. But that's what we need today -- simple, courageous language. We need to recover wisdom, preach it in our churches, and speak it to the lost.
Christopher000 wrote: Mike, I'm not so sure the "you" in that first sentence was referring to yourself. Seems to me that it was a part of the BB statement itself, and not Penny's own words. Could be wrong, but that's how I read it.
If that was the case, then I am not sure why he would post ambiguously the way that he did, but perhaps I am wrong. If the statement was made towards me, then my comments stand. If they were not, then many of my comments still stand, although I would be in the wrong for directing them so strongly at him. I guess if and when he replies, we will find out. Thanks for the comment, though, and it reminds me to be careful. I should have probably asked for clarification first, and in that I have transgressed. Sorry about that...
All I can say is, wow; thanks for proving my point. You have no idea WHO I am, and yet you assume that I am leading the way for all of these subversive elements of society?! I'm calling for mature discussion and mutual showing of respect without compromise on biblical truth! You're post sounds more like something hijacked from Pulpit and Pen and just a rehash of other polemical opinions. I in now way in my comments was defending the ADL, but was making a most obvious observation that anyone with a shred of discernment would be able to see from all the childish dialogue on these ignorant com-boxes. I was trying to help Connor to see the error in individuals like yourself that seem to shoot first and ask questions later, if later even ever comes. Can't you at least admit, "Hey, perhaps I was too sharp with a brother?" No, of course not... Your post responds to nothing I was saying, but is seems to be just another excuse for you to snipe. How sad...how winsome you are, indeed!
Unfortunately Conner, that seems to be what many experience on this site's news comments. Instead of intelligent dialogue among well-meaning believers and perhaps even non-believers (religious or irreligious), what we (and unfortunately the rest of the world) many times are treated to is pseudo-intellectualism, immature back-biting, open slander, lazy research, anti-semitism, and open religious bigotry (and what I mean by that is NOT disagreeing with and speaking against faulty, heretical doctrine, but rather hatred of other religions for seemingly other areas of disgust, usually related to a rejection of the KJV somewhere [as is many other issues I've encountered on here as well]). That's a big reason I stopped frequenting the news sections on here, because I couldn't stand the non-Christian and even anti-Christian attitudes and hatred I would see on here. It's a shame, especially when our Lord expressly says that it is by the disciple's LOVE that all men would know of His existence.
Recording error Just a heads up, there is an error with this recording. About a minute into it there was a second recording playing at the same time. I couldn't really listen much beyond that. May God bless and use your ministry!
Does not Paul insist in Romans 9-11 that Israel is still chosen of God in some sense, and that all Israel will be saved, unless you have an overriding systematic theology that threatens to gut the text of its original meaning?
I'm dispensational and I in no way promote a racially charged Gospel, only that I still see a distinction between Israel in the church from the OT to the NT. Don't you think that perhaps you are assuming a bit too much in order to broad-brush stroke a whole segment of evangelicalism?
Who is "they" in your post? It reads to me that you are close to charging all "chosen" Jewish people with having subversive, ulterior motives, as if the Jewish community were a monolithic entity. Once again, don't you think you may be broad-brushing the entire Jewish community for the sake of your seemingly racially charged argument?
Is it really evil to desire a nation for the Jewish people? And just because one does, does that mean they are in purposeful collusion with some grand Zionist design? It seems to me that there are a lot of unproven assumptions made in your post, and I have to say, seems somewhat anti-Semitic in some regard. Please correct me if I am wrong, and I mean that genuinely, not facetiously...
Christopher000 wrote: The comments on this should be interesting. The topic has exhausted me, so I'm not going to even bother with it. I do like what you said about maintaining a Christ-like decorum though, Mike. You're not Mike from N.Y. are you?
Naw, man, I'm originally from PA, born in NJ, now living in NC. I use to post from time-to-time as theWayPA, but it was very few and far between, for many of these threads quickly become shills for KJV-Only positions, anti-Semitic screeds against Israel, uncharitable mind and motive reading against other professing Christians, or some sick and twisted union of the three, whether in part or whole, lol!
H. Von Bun wrote: If Franklin Graham were a true man of God he would have spoken out against his own father a long time ago for denying Jesus Christ.
Is it possible that Franklin would not have spoken out against his father's statements because he loved his father deeply and didn't want to shame the man who loved and reared him for years, pouring into his life? I'm just saying that I would be careful making litmus tests for genuine conversion on the basis of choices of weakness; Christ saves us by His mercy and grace, in spite of our own lapses in judgment, does he not? It may be that Franklin's love for his own father, right or wrong, clouded his judgment and we should at least allow him that and not judge his motives or condemn him for it.
John, I've seen you post on here for a while, and honestly I don't know why you bother. It's terrible when Christians snipe and attack the way they do, and I feel for you, man. Has anyone ever graciously disagreed with you, or have they always lambasted you like they do?
This seems like a lot to ask for a website who's news commentary section is full of vitriol and pride, but perhaps we can have a more Christ-like decorum of speech amongst our own, can we not?
John UK wrote: On your last point, Christopher, I'm afraid you are way out. Many indeed, have been swayed by the lies of the liberals who brought in the modern texts and thusly the modern versions. You say, "Which liberals?" All of those from Westcott and Hort onwards, even the "United Bible Societies" who are all in cahoots with Rome and the ecumenical movement. When it comes to the salvation issue, "faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God". So, what will happen if the word of God is corrupted? And what will happen if the doctrine of "faith only" is erased from the scripture, so that only a works based system is left? There is evidence that this is happening. Don't forget bro, that many brave reformers died for their stand on this issue. Rome killed those who would translate into English, and they still have a hatred for the KJB, for it exposes their hypocrisy and false doctrines.
Not to be smart, but shouldn't you be explaining your position in KJB language, so to make sure that lasting change can come as a result of it? Or perhaps the effectiveness of your speech will be lessened by using modern tongues? I'm just saying, wanna make sure the salvific nature of the word sticketh...
Hey Frank, thanks for the words, bro. I don't see where my fallacy was, but I am definitely open to see where it was. Iron sharpening iron and all ...
IE, I'm not even going to bother. You have your mind made up about me and assume you know all about this subject. Btw, you did not answer my questions, and quoting KJV verses is not proving a point, but restating your opinion. Here's another one for you: the Spanish you wrote, did you translate that from the KJV 1611, the 1791 revision, or the Geneva Bible? And why translate it? Didn't you just corrupt God's holy preserved word where He saith what he meaneth? Thou art inconsistent on this issue, mine brother. And why bother trying to prove your version with referencing ancient dates and papyri? It is the Word of God, is it not? No further proof needed, only your assertion, yes?
Christopher, couldn't agree more brother.
And for the record, I love the KJV and value it greatly. I just don't worship it, or any ignorance that would teach me that there are no variants in the textual traditions that even the KJV translators would recognize...
Sigh...I should have known this would take a non-reflective direction at some point. Leave it to the irrational KJV-only position to find a weed where none exists. Let me ask you; is this the only area of the Bible that procalims the exclusivity of Christ? Please define for the modern reader the following with AV language: hearth, penknife, leaves
Also, do you really feel comfortable claiming to know my heart and accusing me of demonic deception? You don't know who I am, have not asked of me Christian testimony, or my stance on Scripture (which that it is inerrant, infallible, and completely sufficient in the original autographa). But you already know it don't you, since you can read my mind and heart? Tell me sir, are you ready to stand before God for your words on the day of judgment towards one of His children proclaimed falsely? How incredibly ignorant and foolish and a proof of the point I made previously. I love doctrinal purity, but I doubt that will convince you, since you seem to worship an English translation rather than the God it points to. Shame on you for assuming you know me or my heart and deconstructing my plain statements.
Also, can you please explain what "mike like spike" means? Aside from it being a childish dig of some sort that's meant to be pithy...
When you say names, are you looking for me to dig up dirt on people? To be quite honest with you, I've got enough of my own to be repenting of that I don't need to become the Sermon Audio hound of justice. Or are you referring to naming you or someone else? Why would I name someone like you when I agreed with your response in part? I am just noting a general tenor of this site can be vile in its lambasting of others in the name of doctrinal purity, textual superiority (ala KJV onlyism), and other forms of spiritual elitism. I can't and won't name anyone, as I fail to see the point of such an endeavour. All it would do on a site like this is pour blood in the shark tank, so to speak.
Btw Frank, you don't need to comment to Chris about me as if I were not in the room, so to speak. You may address me directly .
Exactly! Or perhaps he is a Christian who finds some matter of moral practice and judgment that he agrees with Beck on (perhaps from different starting points) and was even inspired by the man in some way towards looking at his own life. The problematic nature of the issue is that he is a public figure seeming to lend credibility to a man who is the follower of a deceptive cult and is himself deceived into thinking reformation of life equals restoration of soul. I believe that there are people, unbelievers though they may be, that can become at least superficially role models for others, even though their virtuous life is ultimately falsified by their rejection of Christ. I see a lot of "shooting our own" on this site in the name of purity to doctrine and I wonder if this is not an example of Revelation 2-Ephesian church love of truth being exemplified by some on this site while losing their first love, so to speak. I just think we need to be careful when assessing someone's salvation based on statements made publicly. ..when those statements made publicly do not destroy the foundation of the once for all faith delivered to the saints. And Frank, we most definitely agree on the nature of salvation; born from above, my friend! And Christopher, I think you capture the issue well i
Yes, I am well aware of Mormonism. That isn't the point of my inquiry. My point is salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone, yes? I just kind of think it's a quick jump to judge someone's heart if they learn something from a Mormon or view a Mormon as a role model. True, it MAY be lacking in wisdom, depending on how the man means Beck is a role model to him (the quote offered is too inconclusive to determine). But to say that the man is not a Christian is I think dangerously close to added works to salvation, as if the Lord only saves those whose theological ducks are completely sorted out. That's all...