I am in no way saying it is insignificant. That is something you are reading into the discussion. It is significant, and thus why we Christians do not follow the Talmud. But we also do not condemn a whole nation of people for the secular influence of segments of their society. Do we appreciate being known as arrogant, ignorant fools by some in the upper echelons of European society on the basis of some poor portrayals of America? I think not, so please do not do that to the Jewish people. It is not fair and is slander and should not be found on the lips of Messiah's disciples and slaves. Kabbalah is evil at its core, bullying any group is evil, and Mikey Weinstein is acting like an inconsistent fool.
CAB, I do not look at things monolithically as you do, over-generalizing from facts to complete axioms (i.e. parts of the Talmud are wrong, therefore the entire Talmud is disgusting). You are renewing the sins of Hitler in your Holocaust denial and your stating that Jews are in an evil class all by themselves. Not ONCE did you admonish anyone here to pray for their salvation and to love the enemies of the cross as Paul and Jesus did. You only spewed your bigoted filth towards an ENTIRE group of people, as if they are ALL to blame for the crucifixion. True, the nation has been hardened in part due to rejecting Messiah AS A NATION (per Romans 9-11), but this in no way means they are damnable devils as you make all of them out to be. Stop lying; you are NOT just talking about Judaism, but JEWS. If anyone here sounds like Satan, it's you. SOME Jews refer to Jesus as Yeshu, but some refer to Him as Y'shua, a variant of Y'hoshua Joshua) meaning "The LORD is Salvation." I speak for Christians, Jew and Gentile alike, who are damaged by your asinine and idiotic statements. I do condemn any evil speaking they produce, including the evil speaking of ALL peoples, that is not in line with the Scriptures. You seem to be incapable of holding rational discussion on the matter.
GsTexas wrote: All of those who are not of Christ are just as eternally damned and inherently evil as the other, whether it be Jew, Muslim, or any other race/false religion. Pinning all the evil in the world on the Jews is simply pathetic.
Once again, amen and amen, and it should cause us to cry genuine tears of sorrow over these and desire to reach them with the Gospel.
corrections wrote: = The Christ of the Bible - died for only God's elect people and thereby actually obtained salvation for all those for whom He died. His death was a substitutionary satisfaction which actually took away the guilt of His chosen people. (Luke 19:10,John 10:14-15,26, Acts 20:28, Rom. 5:10, Eph 5:25, Heb 9:12, IPet 3:18) = The Christ of the Bible - preserves His chosen people so that they can not lose their salvation but persevere in the faith to the very end. He preserves them by the sovereign electing will of God, the power of His death, and the mighty working of His Spirit. (John 5:24,10:26-29, Rom 8:29-30,8:35-39, IPet 1:2-5,Jude 24-25) http://www.prca.org/pamphlets/pamphlet_68.html
AMEN! And thank you Elise for your words. We do need to pray for the Jewish nation, that they would receive God's forgiveness available only through the propitiating work of Christ. Judge the words of the anti-Semite to be what they are: vapid attempts at understanding that which they know nothing of (including misunderstanding the Talmud's way of argumentation and saying that the disgusting words of the Toledot Yeshu's understanding of Jesus and Mary are indicative of all Jews' sentiments). Hitler is alive and well apparently...
Are we having the same conversation? If there was no Jewish nation, why does the NT (and post-Babylonian exile OT) call them JEWS? Hello! Based on the definition of the word, you are antisemitic in your views. We can argue about whether or not the word is wrongly defined as such (which I would probably agree with you), but based on the definition, a Holocaust-denying, Jew-hating individual that you are showing yourself to be (I've seen some of your former posts) is antisemitic. Case closedâ€¦ ALL anti-Christian religion is self-worship! Come on! This is Christianity 101! That includes Islam. BTW, how much do you know about Islam (and I am not talking about your neighbors or some documentary)? I don't want anyone to hand anything off! I am a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ and in His coming kingdom and I don't appreciate disciples of David Duke trying to play divide and conquer. Kinda Satanic, don't ya think? I am done trying to reason with you. There is no salvation for anyone outside of the finished work of Christ, His death on Calvary, and His glorious resurrection. How many Jewish people do YOU know who would make such a profession? Oh that's right, only the whole EARLY CHURCH! You know nothing of Jewish things, only propaganda you've imbibed due to hatred...
I am better than NO MAN, Jew or Gentile. I'm not the one boasting about choosing God myself outside of His election, mind you. My testimony? "I once was blind, but now I seeâ€¦" I was blinded by my own pride and evil, but God, who was rich in mercy, WHILE I WAS YET A SINNER, saved me by His amazing grace (Eph. 2:1-10). Can you tell me how a dead sinner can choose a living God? And you haven't dealt with my other objections either. If anyone here is guilty of worshipping self, your exaltation of "free-will" is more of an indicator of that. But why am I wasting my time? Blow the whistle on the Jews? Who do you think you are? The grand Inquisitor who knows that EVERY Jew is on on some conspiracy? And why would you want to hear my testimony anyway? You have made your mind up, and in your post you call me a fake Christian and want my conversion testimony all at the same time! Can you even think straight for one moment and see your inconsistencies? Where does Scripture say the Jews are more evil? Where is YOUR love for Paul, as if you truly had a heart like Paul, you would mimic his love for the Jewish nation as he did in Romans 9-11. You seem to know nothing of the unmitigated, non-demanded grace of Almighty God. Please repent of your inane babblingsâ€¦.
CAB wrote: As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he.
And it sounds to me like you "thinketh" yourself to be quite spiritual and proud in your self-righteous hatred of the Jewish people (I hope you were able to read my thinketh, because if I wrote "think" you might have not understood it, you know, being non-KJV and all). Many Jews, including my grandfather, saw themselves proudly as American, and many would be willing to die for this country (and they did; so Jews can die for America, just not live in it, then?) What branch of Judaism are you referring to, btw? I mean, I am not surprised at your asinine over-generalizing, but do you mean orthodox? Reform? Conservative? Reconstructionist? We are ALL dead in our trespasses and sins before Jesus breaks in and saves us from them! Jews AND Gentiles, not just the elite like yourself who had the good sense to turn from your own Satanism (which we ALL were adherents to before salvation in one sense). You are a bigoted, hate-mongering individual who doth protest way too much. Please repent of your Jew-hatred and actually do something, I don't know, GOSPEL centered and give them the Gospel that is to them first (Rom. 1:16). Or would you rather see them burn forever? Hmmmâ€¦makes one wonder...
CAB wrote: Sorry, there is nobody on this forum who loves Semitic people more than me. I adore Semitic people. They hate everybody, especially Jesus and especially Christians.
Sighâ€¦some proof please? You love semitic people, you say, and yet say all Jews hate Christians? You sound pretty hateful to meâ€¦ How many Jews do you know, BTW? Many Muslims are converts as well, and Iranians are not Semitic. So how do you get to Heaven? By your own enlightened choice? Man, you are so spiritual and smart having blessed God by choosing Him! Contra Eph. 2:1-10 mind youâ€¦ Where is your proof for me or anyone else saying Christianity is the same as Judaism? I grew up in Judaism and believe me there is a difference! So you have shown yourself to be an over generalizer who has a bone to pick with the Jewish people, convert or no. My question is why? Are the Jews any more wicked than any other people? Are you so enlightened and so spiritual as to have a little less original sin than the Jewish nation? And why would a convert to Judaism have to go live in Israel? Could it be that you don't want any in our free country of America? I know that may not be what you think, but it is how it sounds. There is only one way of salvation, in the JEWISH Christ..
John Yurich USA wrote: Those who don't worship Jesus as God are insane and psychotic for letting themselves be deceived into believing the lie of Satan not to worship Jesus as God.
As we who believe all were as well, until the breaking of our triune God's redeeming grace into our hardened, sin-blackened, dead souls. Remember, John, if but for the grace of God, you and I would be dead in our trespasses and sins, insane in our rebellion against God and, as Calvin so eloquently put it, our "carnal stupidity" (see Eph. 2:1-10).
Seriously? Bible translation debates AGAIN? Talk about beating a dead horse, this horse has been beaten, sent to the glue factory, reassembled and beaten again and again ad ifinitum. Seriously, can we please stick to the topic? It just seems so immature...