John UK wrote: What you are trying vainly to say is that regeneration is accomplished by the Spirit indwelling
Ah So I was right John. You believe that the regeneration is worked from a remote location - by remote control.
You believe in the twofold visit version then John.
Once remotely from a distance of X feet the Spirit calls and regenerates!!
Second visit He comes to indwell!!
This is what you believe eh John.
BTW Can you just explain where you and your "team" find this in the Bible.
BTW.2 Can you also suggest where the Spirit goes after His first visit, and how long is it between His two visits?
BTW.3 Do you also believe that when the Spirit leaves after the first visit - the sinner who without the Spirit at this stage (in the flesh) can he spiritually discern, is he dead in sin and still at enmity with God.
OR Besides regeneration - Is he also able to believe and repent under his own steam?
PS; Do you still believe this verse? Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his"
Quotes From a Woman- Cheryl: "I doubt the Arabs treat women so badly. The Arabs love their wives and children, and they don't look at porn and don't fornicate. The Arab men are virgins when they marry, just like the women. And most of the men on this forum hate the Arabs and want to nuke them away."
So, Cheryl, since you have lots of praises for Muslims/Arab people, do you mean you will soon be one of them?
2John 1:7 "For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 1John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God"
If we take this confession as a literal one to be used in the identification of true believers or an antichrist, then search the other Books of the Bible eg Matt, Mark, Luke and Paul's Epistles et al; - we can peceive that these Apostles/writers did not urge us to confess this, - Nor indeed did THEY make this precise confession in their works.
On this same basis then, do we therefore assume these Apostles to be deceivers and antichrist????