I just sat down and opened my Bible, and this is the first thing that met my eye: "They will be put to shame and even humiliated, all of them; The manufacturers of idols will go away together in humiliation." (Isaiah 45:16)
Consider this: "On an appointed day Herod, having put on his royal apparel, took his seat on the rostrum and began delivering an address to them. The people kept crying out, " The voice of a god and not of a man!" (Acts 12:21-22) According to Josephus, this Herod had donned a robe woven with silver thread to reflect the sun. Hence he shone, and the people were deceived into thinking he was divine. This appears to be a good scriptural example of a man using the technology of his time to portray himself as divine. These types of situations in scripture, and in history, are examples of the "many antichrists" that John wrote of. All these point to the ultimate antichrist. But let's not forget their end; "And immediately an angel of the Lord struck him because he did not give God the glory, and he was eaten by worms and died." (Acts 12:23)
I did say that, quoting Rev. 13:15: "And it was given to him(the false prophet) to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast would even speak and cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed." I may not have been the only one quoting that, but nevertheless it fits like a glove; never in history has this been more possible than now. This is, and will be idolatry taken to it's ultimate deception. Look up to the LIVING God, your redemption draws near!
Great Sermon! This conversation/discussion demonstrates to the degree that we all as Christians are very likely to build an idol in our hearts and try to justiy it towards ourselves, the church, our pastors, and most of all to God. Just read chapter 14 of Ezekiel. We should all be so careful to tear down the idols in our own hearts that interfere with truly following Christ.
This is a blatant denial of obvious physical tangible observable facts. I believe the term for this syndrome would be "delusional ". This is madness. But don't you dare question their sacred cow of evolution; you will be accused of denying the hard facts of science! They are absolutely whacked out! It's really hard to believe that people actually think this way!
This is just Planned Parenthood being true to the vision of it's founder Margaret Sanger as Ladybug so aptly posted. The essence of Nazism remains alive; and Nazism itself was only one of many political manifestations of Baal worship that have surfaced over the millennia. Simply paganism and the worship of things earthly.
"And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast would even speak and cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed." (Rev. 13:15) Here it is, and has been for almost 2000 years. Never made much sense to previous generations, but now it jumps off the page and hits you in the face. But no.....this is just the imaginary writings of some religious madman! Who could make this up? Stay tuned; more religious madmen writings are about to jump out at us!
Both Larson, and Carter, are mentioned in the article as unmarried and yet each having two children. Are they divorced? Widowed, or widower? Not that it matters to these people that reject the plain text of scripture. This place, and many like it, is not a church but a corporation being run in the philosophy of Peter Drucker, a leading secular corporate philosopher who had a major influence on Hybels and Rick Warren. I wouldn't even call this Christianity anymore. These people need evangelized with the true gospel as much as anyone else in this fallen world.
Christopher, yep the Benny Hinns and the Bob Larsen out there certainly have brought shame to the whole body. I once attempted to politely confront Bob Larsen in person to his face. He would not even answer me. But isn't that what Paul was doing with the lunacy in the Corinthian church? He was merely teaching the way of decency and order to a church that was heading down the Benny Hinn road. But he never taught them to reject spiritual gifts altogether, only to test all things, reject what is false and evil, and to hold to that which is good with dignity and order.
To any and all who are following this thread; as usual Jesus nails it with His teaching: "For there is no good tree which produces bad fruit, nor, on the other hand, a bad tree which produces good fruit." (Luke 6:43) David Wilkerson, and many other Pentecostal preachers have produced much food fruit. And to the assertion that any charismatic Christian never refutes false doctrines; that simply is not true. I know of many that are on the front lines of defending the faith, and that in a most learned and scholarly venue. I must add that I myself don't claim any charismatic gifts, but I will defend those that do. The sovereign Holy Spirit distributes these gifts as He sees fit. We can't throw the baby out with the bath water. And I fully Agree with Paul in asserting that I would rather speak five words of instruction with my mind, than ten thousand words in a tongue.
I must assert one more important point and then I put this whole thing to rest. On your doctrinal premise, you would place David Wilkerson on the level of a charlatan. Actually he was one of the more fruitful preachers of the 20th century, and God used him to bring thousands to Christ, and to save many out of the dregs of society. He was also an unabashed charismatic, Spirit-filled Pentecostal. Have you ever read "The Cross and the Switchblade"? Have you heard of Teen Challenge? These were hugely influential in bringing me to Christ as teenager. Have you ever listened to any of his sermons? If you ever do, I think you will find that in know way could that man be lumped in with maniacal lunatics that counterfeit the true gifts of the Spirit. It seems that your experience in Christianity has been narrowly denominational; there is much more happening out there than just conservative baptists; understanding that I appreciate the jealous guarding against hyper-charismania that the Baptists have engaged in. But the fact remains that these gifts are real and contemporary.
Well, once again you missed a little facetiousness in thinking that I would actually throw away a part of scripture. I was saying that YOU may as well throw out 1st Cor. 14 as it deals with the operation and management of the charismatic gifts that you reject; thus, on that premise, the entire chapter means nothing for today. I wonder what other passages of scripture I could throw away if they don't suit my position. This is ludicrous; the teaching of the apostles is the foundation of the church, but it seems that the foundation stone represented by Paul may have a weakness! An entire passage of his teaching can be thrown out leaving a hollow spot in that stone! No, ALL of the New Testament is applicable for today. I will debate no further.
1. I thought it would be obvious that my statement was meant facetiously as an illustration. 2. In that passage from 1sr Cor. 13 knowledge is also done away. So you say tongues, and prophecy have ceased, has knowledge also ceased? If so, when? Keep on reading through to the end of the chapter; vs. 12 speaks of if the time when all these are done away, and that when we will know fully just as we have been fully known. Has that day occurred yet? Furthermore, there are no chapter divisions in the original mss. And this passage flows into an encouragement to earnestly desire the very spiritual gifts that you claim have ceased. If your claim is true, then I can just rip all of chapter 14 out of my Bible, since it has no meaning anymore. I must also cease praying for anyone to be healed as that has passed away. You may dismiss an entire chapter out your Bible, I just can't do that. If you want an amazing example of the gift of prophecy, look up on YouTube the message given by David Wilkerson in 1973; all of it has come to pass. Just because there are lunatics out there that are counterfeiting the charismatic gifts, does not mean that they don't exist. The persecuted 3rd world church are rich in these gifts in the true way. Do some honest research on this; you'll find out. Our culture i
Hmmm...seems that I may have a choice as to what spiritual gifts to affirm. What would one think if I chose to deny the gifts evangelist, pastor, or teacher, but affirmed gifts healing, tongues, or prophecy? Why would one choice be wrong, and the other right? The truth can't be sorted through to fit our preconceived doctrine or tradition.
John MacAurthur is currently teaching that one who receives the mark of the beast can still be saved. He also is a cessationist, denying the gifts of the Spirit. Anyone into such grevious error, I will pay no attention to. He has been written off of my list of trusted teachers.
"For crime was construed as an act of betrayal of the 'national community', hence all crime and all deviant attitudes and behavior were potentially political." "In further departure from civilized norms, words became crimes." (Quotes from "The Third Reich" a new history by Michael Burleigh) Totalitarianism is well on it's way here folks! The parallels to Nazi Germany, and I might add also to Stalinist Russia are striking. Be alert! Be sober!
Coming of age in the 70s was bad enough for me, but porn wasn't readily available as it is today with a touch of a button. And 11 year olds certainly had difficulty in finding it. Now it's everywhere. I really fear for this generation. What has been unleashed with the technology revolution? Wickedness that only the book of Revelation adequately describes! O Lord, pour out your spirit to convict of sin, righteousness, and judgment lest we and our children be swept into the arms of Antichrist!
Another denomination that is abandoning a noble heritage. If anyone has ever read the "Martyr's Mirror" they'll know what I'm talking about. The Methodists have abandoned the legacy of John Wesley, the Christian and Missionary Alliance appear to be on track to abandon the legacy of Tozer and A.B. Simpson, the Baptist Union in the U.K. are abandoning the legacy of Spurgeon....and on and on it goes. There will be only one legacy left on earth, that being the legacy of Christ. Nevertheless, when he returns will he find the faith on the earth? Let us examine ourselves......
Consider the following quotes from ancient Ugaritic inscriptions found in Syria( the land of Cannon). "With the might of my strong hand I will smash your head; I will make your gray hair flow with blood; the gray hair of your beard with gore." And; "Baal makes love to heifer in Debir, a young cow in the fields of Shimmat, He lies with her seventy seven times, Yea, he copulates eighty eight times, so that she conceives and bears a child." This the religious and cultural atmosphere that the Israelites under Joshua were commanded to wipe out as God's judgment on these things. Israel failed in this, and eventually were absorbed into them resulting in Israel being severely judged, first by Assyria, then finally by Babylon. Make no mistake, as these things are being absorbed into Chistendom, the judgment of God is looming at the door. Those that truly love His Christ are to come out of her that they not participate in her sins, and the judgments that follow. This kind of perversion will result in the beastilaty and violence as described above. There is nothing new under the sun. Only now it's becoming worldwide, and the judgment will also be worldwide.