Another Michael wrote: Brother John UK, Wales Ryan Fullerton is a Baptist Pastor in Kentucky; happy he is proving to be a blessing to you. he is famous to me for: The Value of Sinners, Prostitutes and Drunkards https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mZsHUs7UsE
Ah yes, bro! The snippet I posted up is an extract from that sermon. I am currently watching it now.
I do believe I get your drift, what it is you would promote, how you wish to see others blessed. For eg.
Romans 8:29 KJV (29)Â For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Our predestination is "to be conformed" to Christ; that is, we are to become like Jesus. We see what Jesus was like, by reading the four gospels. He was the perfect Man, living a perfect life, and we are to strive to become like that.
I do know that in mine own life since conversion, I have spent an inordinate amount of time with books or discussing theology, and as I got older as a Christian I spent less and less time with sinners. In fact, at one point, the Lord even told me that I was becoming more like a Pharisee than a disciple. Is this what concerns you bro?
Another Michael wrote: What might that be? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voTiUFOEMn8 But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, 1 Timothy 1:5,6
I really do like preachers who can say a whole lot in 12 minutes, enough to keep you thinking for weeks afterwards, along with how you are going to obey the call of Jesus Christ.
Brother I watched the follow up video by Ryan Fullerton and it is what I would call A BIG SERMON. Convict me of sin? Sure did. Show me the way forward? Sure did. Make me want to act like Jesus rather than a Pharisee? Sure did. Who is this Ryan Fullerton, anyway? Seems to me like he's a young preacher who is following Jesus Christ.
"Many persons want to know their election before they look to Christ, but they cannot learn it thus, it is only to be discovered by â€ślooking unto Jesus.â€ť If you desire to ascertain your own election; â€“ after the following manner, shall you assure your heart before God. Do you feel yourself to be a lost, guilty sinner? go straightway to the cross of Christ, and tell Jesus so, and tell him that you have read in the Bible, â€śHim that cometh unto me, I will in no wise cast out.â€ť Tell him that he has said, â€śThis is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners.â€ť Look to Jesus and believe on him, and you shall make proof of your election directly, for so surely as thou believest, thou art elect. If you will give yourself wholly up to Christ and trust him, then you are one of Godâ€™s chosen ones; but if you stop and say, â€śI want to know first whether I am elect,â€ť you ask you know not what. Go to Jesus, be you never so guilty, just as you are. Leave all curious inquiry about election alone. Go straight to Christ and hide in his wounds, and you shall know your election." CHS M & E July 17th (morning)
Another Michael wrote: Brother John It is sad but I can well identify there are some headed in a wrong direction that we must part company with one side wants to seduce believers into ecumenical union with Rome another side wants to drive out believers because they don't meet "their" approval; even though Christ has accepted them. Romans 15:7
That's the way of it, brother.
Say, do I remember you had a great article on the Diotrephes Syndrome? I was trying to find it the other day, but I'd lost all my bookmarks. It sure opens the eyes as to what is going on in some churches, and even forum groups.
If any are unsure as to why I feel compelled to stop attendance at this church, it is because it hinders evangelism; you are not permitted to seek to convert other members of the group!
I have had this problem umpteen times over the years.
One example is the church I've been attending on a Friday morning for prayer meeting for some months now. The people are fine, good Christian people, and I have enjoyed going there and joining with them in prayer. They have been loving and welcoming and greatly appreciate my friend and I being there.
But I noticed on their website that their Christmas day service is billed as a Free Church Council meeting.
The FCC is a group of independent churches who have joined together. If that isn't bad enough, the FCC is a Grade B member of "Cytun" Churches Together in Wales (which has RCC As Grade A member). CTIW is a member of Churches Together in the UK, and if you go all the way up, you eventually arrive at.......guess what?
Yep, the World Council of Churches.
Instead of working from the top down (as they once tried it), the WCC has subtly arranged for local groups to get together, many of them not knowing how far up the ladder it reaches.
Since seeing this on the website, I've taken it that the church is a FCC member, and so I will not go again. The only way to have freedom in evangelism is to be REALLY independent, where independent means independent.
NeedHim wrote: Christopher & John UK; This made me think of you guys, from your recent conversation, on the Church. What a friend we have in Christ alone amen! Church selection Spurgeon; Oh," says one, "I will join the church when I can find a perfect one." Then you will never join any. "But," you say, "perhaps I may." Well, but it will cease to be perfect as soon as it receives you into its membership. Donâ€™t go where it is all fine music & grand talk & beautiful architecture; those things will neither fill anybodyâ€™s stomach, nor feed his soul. Go where the gospel is preached, the gospel that really feeds your soul, & go often.
NeedHim, oh yes, The Lord Jesus is indeed a Great Friend!
When it comes to a church fellowship, it has been my experience that many regard themselves as a perfect church, and that my presence sort of detracts from that. So you see, the opposite of what you say (even though it be good advice) is nearer the mark, as Christopher has already remarked.
One example is the church I've been attending on a Friday morning for prayer meeting for some months now. The people are fine, good Christian people, and I have enjoyed going there and joining with them in prayer. OOS
Amen, Christopher, the possibilities are endless, and there need be no time limit. With constant supplies of coffee, you can go on for hours. Informal yes, reverent yes, serious yes, lighthearted yes, questions yes, answers yes, everyone share something which blesses the others, praying, reading scripture, singing, watch a video, sermonettes, testimonies.
Christopher000 wrote: Hi John, yeah, I think it's hard to keep our heads where they should be, along with the internal feeling that should give us, while living in this rotting world, especially today.
I know from experience that being a part of a church, and being completely on my own really makes a mental difference, for me anyway. I deflate fairly quickly. I don't mean venturing back into the world or anything, but just the emotional aspect of it.
That has been my experience also, Christopher. An assembly of believers is a great blessing to anyone. Especially if it is an assembly where the various spiritual gifts are exercised as and when the Spirit prompts (1 Cor 14). That in itself ensures that attendees keep themselves in the love of God, so that they can "bring something to the table" as it were. With the clergy/laity system, there is a natural tendency towards sloppiness of spirit among the laity, simply because they do not have to contribute anything.
Fortunately, it is perfectly acceptable for two or three believers to meet together, and encourage one another in the presence of Jesus.
Good morning Christopher, and thanks for your posts. I am convinced that Christianity is a calling. We talk of repenting and believing and receiving Christ, but it really is simpler than all of that.
1 Corinthians 1:2 KJV (2) Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
1 Corinthians 1:9 KJV (9) God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
1 Corinthians 1:26 KJV (26) For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1 Thessalonians 2:12 KJV (12) That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.
What a great wonder and delight it is to be called by the Living Christ, the real Jesus. All of our repentance comes short; our faith is often feeble; we say we receive Christ as Lord yet fail him in so many ways. But when God calls a sinner, makes him his son, justifies and sanctifies him, it is all a perfect work which will come to fruition. That is certainly worthy of a leap or two first thing in the morning.
Dr. Tim wrote: Jailer: "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" Paul: "Dude, are you serious? The Book of Acts is projected to top out at 28 chapters, and it would take at least 50 chapters to answer such a complex question. Why don't you ask us something simpler, like how to have peace in the Middle East?"
Matthew 4:18-22 KJV (18)Â And Jesus, walking by the sea of Galilee, saw two brethren, Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers. (19)Â And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men. (20)Â And they straightway left their nets, and followed him. (21)Â And going on from thence, he saw other two brethren, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in a ship with Zebedee their father, mending their nets; and he called them. (22)Â And they immediately left the ship and their father, and followed him.
John 10:16 KJV (16)Â And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Observer wrote: Then John I have no problem because we seem to see the same 2 things but disagree on terminology. I see the birth analogy as a picture of the entire process, including conception to actual birth - conception or the infusion of the principal of life is what I term regeneration (man can naturally have no part in this as is it a work of God) and then the actual experience of turning, believing and coming into possession of salvation's blessings I term conversion or the actual new birth. I don't want to argue over labels so am content to leave it at that. Lord bless.
Okay bro, this last post has shown me better what your position is; and as you say, it is more a matter of different terminology than a difference in belief concerning the mighty grace of God in saving sinners and how he goes about it.
Well thanks for sharing all of that brother, and the Lord bless you too.
Acts 11:13-15 KJV (13)Â And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter; (14)Â Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved. (15)Â And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Peter never even had time to make his first point, before the Holy Ghost came upon them all.
I see the answer to your question like this. There is a quickening, which includes an enlightenment. This is life out of death, and every sinner will need this quickening unasked for, because "there are none that seeketh after God" by nature. And then there is the gift of eternal life, given to all that ask for it. The one life (quickening) leads inevitably to receiving eternal life.
The difficulty is in deciding which one is the new birth. I believe it is the first, for the reasons I have just given from John 3.
While dear brother Observer is preparing his answer to my question, I thought it might be a good plan to observe what Jesus said about the new birth.
John 3:7-8 KJV (7) Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. (8) The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
To my mind, this is clear. Jesus says you cannot tell from where the wind came, nor where it is going next. All you can see is the effects of it, and the sound going through the branches of trees. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit; it is a sovereign work of God; not under the control of men. It certainly cannot be prayed for. That is my HO bro. __________________________
Bro Christopher, I'm sure the others who were used of God to help you see certain things, which were instrumental in your new understanding, as well as myself, are surely deeply humbled by your testimony, but rejoice in the providence of God in bringing you to the forum here. As Ladybug says, to God be the glory, great things he hath done. We never know who the Spirit will bless next.
Observer wrote: Well John, you did not read my post with care. What I said is that "conversion" or the "new birth" is the coming into the conscious enjoyment of that life that God implanted in regeneration (conception).
Bro, are you saying that regeneration (conception) occurs before the new birth, that regeneration is not the new birth?
Kev, I do try to walk in the Spirit, sure I do. I try to listen to what God wants me to post. Sometimes I write a whole load and then scrap it because my spirit feels it's not right. Please don't expect perfection as I seek to do this. But remember, I've no intention of being one those who say, Lord, Lord, yet does not do what he says.
Sola Scriptura Man, he say, ah so, it is good for a man to be studying the word of God, taking all of it into account. That is how I arrived at my doctrine, and that is how Michael has arrived at his doctrine. And if there is any disagreement, we will agree to differ. The Lord will sort it out.
The great problem with neo-Calvinism is that much of it is so extreme, that even God is finding it difficult to convert someone and make them a disciple. And so he turns to crusades and IFB churches to gather in the harvest. And before you know it - poof - as if by magic, all those religious people and cults are there in force saying: "No, we are the way, follow us! Listen to us!"
I had it happen after mine own conversion. And it is still happening today. To whom I say, "Go and win your own converts, and disciple them yourself."
Amen Christopher, and yes there are a great many. I meet them in the streets, both religious and self-righteous. There is just no talking to them. But I still try. I try to say something that maybe the Spirit can use to convict them and get them out of that awful state.
I see every day as a gift of God's grace, that he has given me another day to live. Chokes me up, sometimes.
Kev wrote: 1. John UK you say you believe in the Doctrines of Grace and everyone knows Another Michael has a disdain of them. 2. Donâ€™t you feel you should admonish Another Michael about why the Doctrines of Grace are in fact biblical?
Kev, please note your first point. You say that I claim to believe the DOG. Are you not convinced that I do actually believe said doctrine? Instead of saying "you say you believe in the Doctrines of Grace", you could have said, "you believe in the Doctrines of Grace", therefore....
You've caught this nonsense from others here on the site.
2. Michael and I go back a long way, and have had a multitude of convos over doctrine, over many years. He knows what I believe and why, and I know what he believes and why. He is a brother in Christ, he reads and studies his Bible, he prays, he worships, he witnesses. He has a pastor, he has someone who led him to Christ. And I am not going to be one of the ten thousand "teachers" who imagine they have a right to admonish Michael, when they had nothing whatever to do with his conversion.
That is the main problem today. Electioners wait for a sinner to be converted by arminists, and then try to put him straight.