Frank wrote: I agree fully brother! I call it Roman/Protestantism. Of course that simply means that yes, the Roman church has infiltrated the church of the true saints. And, I have read about the martyrs during the early reformation. Imagine a person being tortured and burned at the stake for simply saying they didn't agree with some form of catholicism. And perhaps looking out at his wife and children who would now be destitute.
Yes bro, the Catholic church has lost its clout, so it has to resort to subterfuge now. Infiltration is a good word for it.
It is very hard to imagine the atrocities of the Roman machine when it did wield power and authority, both spiritual and secular. Terrible days! Thankfully they never could grasp at a believer's soul, nor can they prevent a happy resurrection, no matter what they have done to bodies. And I'm thinking that they really did believe they were "doing God service". Or did they? Well, Jesus said there would be some who would be like that. But it's mighty odd.
Dr. Tim wrote: Bear in mind that voting for Democrats is voting for the death of babies, death of morality, and death of America.
Tim, is there any truth in the rumour that the Democratic Party in the USA was created by the British government to bring about, as you say, the 'death of America', so that the Brits can come in and take over again, and retake the Empire, making it the United States of Great Britain?
Christopher000 wrote: ... I hope the bulk of them decide to start fresh, praying fervently, and unceasingly, opening their minds, grabbing their bibles, and begin to re-learn everything; slowly reversing all of the hardwired lies. ...
Yes indeed, Christopher. Imagine how difficult it must have been for the early Reformers, many of whom would have been entrenched in the Catholic abomination and brainwashed from birth. Even those who were already separate from the 'machine' were not immune to holding some false doctrines; there is quite a long list of such who sought to be separatists, of whom the world was not worthy, and were persecuted for daring to stand against the clergy. After all, they were ONLY laity, weren't they? What did they know?
Thankfully, there are still some of us separatists left to tell the tale and stand up for scripture against the philosophies and power-hungry denominations of men.
...shouting speakers down is â€śalwaysâ€ť or â€śsometimesâ€ť acceptable...
Just go and do some open-air preaching and you will experience this for yourself. Don't go around looking for a survey, and don't bother when it happens to you. Don't bother with a manmade constitution, just follow Jesus. And accept the consequences. Live for Jesus, not for politics. Live the Bible way. Read the four gospels and learn more about Jesus. Stick to his side of the tracks. Don't get sidetracked from sola scriptura.
3. This covenant is revealed in the gospel; first of all to Adam in the promise of salvation by the seed of the woman, and afterwards by farther steps, until the full discovery thereof was completed in the New Testament; and it is founded in that eternal covenant transaction that was between the Father and the Son about the redemption of the elect; and it is alone by the grace of this covenant that all the posterity of fallen Adam that ever were saved did obtain life and blessed immortality, man being now utterly incapable of acceptance with God upon those terms on which Adam stood in his state of innocency.
This third paragraph is most excellent and majestic in its putting forth of the truth of scripture, showing that the gospel of God's grace was first shown to Adam, and then by farther steps throughout the OT until the full revelation came in the NT, which we have today, God be praised.
This gospel truth is "founded in that eternal covenant transaction that was between the Father and the Son about the redemption of the elect", and it is this covenant which truly warms the heart and brings peace and joy in believing. It means that salvation is secure, and that, eternally. PTL and Amen.
1. The distance between God and the creature is so great, that although reasonable creatures do owe obedience to Him as their creator, yet they could never have attained the reward of life but by some voluntary condescension on God's part, which He hath been pleased to express by way of covenant.
2. Moreover, man having brought himself under the curse of the law by his fall, it pleased the Lord to make a covenant of grace, wherein He freely offers unto sinners life and salvation by Jesus Christ, requiring of them faith in Him, that they may be saved; and promising to give unto all those that are ordained unto eternal life, His Holy Spirit, to make them willing and able to believe.
These are the first two paragraphs of Chapter 7 in the 1689 Baptist confession of faith, which concerns The Covenant. I would have liked to have posted the third paragraph, which shows clearly what I have been trying to say, but there was insufficient space. However, when there is opportunity, I will post that also, and I hope Bros US and QC will be easier in their minds concerning what I said earlier. Thank you.
I'm going to say something now, and if anyone disagrees and thinks I am in error, please do say so. Note,
Galatians 3:15-17 GNB (15)Â My friends, I am going to use an everyday example: when two people agree on a matter and sign an agreement, no one can break it or add anything to it. (16)Â Now, God made his promises to Abraham and to his descendant. The scripture does not use the plural "descendants," meaning many people, but the singular "descendant," meaning one person only, namely, Christ. (17)Â What I mean is that God made a covenant with Abraham and promised to keep it. The Law, which was given four hundred and thirty years later, cannot break that covenant and cancel God's promise.
Now we know, as new covenant people, that God was introducing in fairly clear terms, that he was dealing with Abraham "by promise" not "by works". When the law came in several hundred years later, that was incapable of annulling the promise, because a covenant cannot be added to or taken away from.
God was dealing with people in grace, which is the only option. And then,
Galatians 3:29 GNB (29)Â If you belong to Christ, then you are the descendants of Abraham and will receive what God has promised.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: I am withholding some thoughts so as not to be so contrary John UK God sought out Adam after he fell, Adam tried to hide. Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord. God stated in Deuteronomy 7 He chose Israel purely out of His love. Grace has always been part of the salvation that God offers.
No need to withhold, brother, nor QC either. I will explain in greater detail later, when I get back from fellowship meeting. But thank you both for your posts.
Firstly, spiritual death and the need of regeneration did not come in after the resurrection of our Saviour. It came in after the Fall of Adam.
Secondly, the biblical statement in Romans 3 that "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God" cannot be limited to AD but also includes BC.
Thirdly, and thusly, Paul's "by grace are ye saved, through faith" is no new thing, as though he imagined the OT saints saved themselves and were justified by their works.
However, the OT saints never understood that; the way God was working was hidden from most of them, and still remains hidden today from many. The great doctrine was very, very gradually revealed, until the NT explosion of light.
Dolores wrote: Hi John, thanks for the encouragement and comments. I think they are both hard nut to crack. mostly hard to change their beliefs, I am actually a Christian serving God in the Baptist Church. I see your way of worship as great and Iâ€™m sure your preaching is very inspiring. The way you explained it in scripture today about Godâ€™s Love even in the womb was a reminder of how real God has always been to me even as a child . I loved going to church. I like JC Ryle as well. Have his book on Holiness. I like the older authors.
Hi Dolores, I like that definition of yourself as a Christian serving the Lord in the Baptist church. And there is no doubt in my mind that the same Lord has looked upon you with love and grace, even from the womb. This explains much, and is what separates you from worldlings. Even through the hardest times, the Lord protects and keeps us, and as if by a miracle, we maintain our faith in his Son, showing the fruit of his Spirit, and thusly showing ourselves to be truly saints of his, eternally saved.
A lot of Ryle is available on grace gems for free reading. Found here:
Frank wrote: No brother, I am still the chief of sinners and I don't say that with false piousness or humility. I truly am and am not proud of it. Okay, you have my elder permission to raise U.S. to number 2 and you can go to number 3. Remember when SteveR used to refer to you, me, and U.S. as the unholy trinity. He is gone, thank God, but I have a sneaking suspicion that others have replaced him. Hope you have a wonderful Spirit filled day.
Okay, brother elder. That will have to do. Have you ever known me to grumble?
I had this whole thing wrong myself until recently. I don't know about the statement that Judaism was "in essence" a system of grace, not works righteousness, but I learnt from the American pastors on 1689federalism.com that God's covenants in the Old Testament were genuine, and they were not covenants of grace, even though their purpose was to increasingly reveal God's covenant of grace, which was formally introduced in the New Covenant. So it was all a system of types and shadows, pictures and so on.
I'm still working on it, but the statement made by 100 Baptist pastors in the 17th century in London concerning this is found in the 1689 confession, article 7 I think it is.
Frank wrote: Good morning Pilgrim, Hate speech certainly is interesting. It reminds me of one manâ€™s freedom fighter being another manâ€™s terrorist. IOW, truth is usually in the eye of the beholder and itching ears is what drives the final conclusion. But the most marvelous and wonderful truth is our Lord and Savior knows our hearts and intentions perfectly. He knows when I am being carnal and He knows when I am in a loving and kind way trying to rebuke or correct someone. To me the most important thing is that the truth is paramount and He knows our hearts completely and cannot be fooled. Just an old man rambling. I am just as guilty as the ones I am speaking against. Well maybe not quite as guilty.
Good morning Brother Pilgrim.
Does this mean you are finally relinquishing the chief of sinners status? Excellent! Then Bro US ought to have that spot for his contrariness, I can still hold on to second place, and you can be relegated to third, where Bro US used to be. Is that okay, or are you going to fight over it?
BTW I do agree about the Lord knowing all things. I call him the Almighty Christ, not without good cause. He is far higher than we can ever imagine him to be.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: Brother not commenting on the substance of your posts or on you personally, just your opening comment with a generalized response.. Wouldn't read too much into it, people tire of the debate and because, as usual nobody changes their thinking, they often see it as pointless to continue. I am sure you've been there.
Hello bro, yes, yes, yes, I can see what you are saying, and you may be right. I will ponder it.
However, you may remember a certain person who made a false claim that I never brought scriptural arguments to support my thoughts on the matter, and it is for this reason I brought a lot of scriptures into the equation, showing that unless Jesus loved everybody, he is a transgressor of the law, and therefore cannot save anyone.
I suppose you would counsel me to ignore such an one who makes false claims. Or would you? After all, you claimed I made false statements about the IFB churches and you were quite in the right to seek to put me straight. I don't think you would class that as a debate, more a presenting of facts.
Christopher000 wrote: Dr Tim wrote: Christopher wrote, â€śPeople here disagree with each other.â€ť I disagree. John UK Wrote" Tim, I don't disagree with you, but I beg to differ. I don't concur with either of you nuts. We could solve this if you'd both have an epiphany, and just come to realize that I'm always right. No matter what I say on whatever topic, I'm right. Set your pride aside, and just accept it.
I don't know why you're bringing politics into this, Christopher.
But seeing as you have, can you tell me if there is any political group in America who are both Christian and Socialist, who make up their manifesto from the teachings of the New Testament?
Dolores wrote: JohnUk, I agree with you on almost all 95% of what you said, but you know how these â€śhard shelled Baptist are( that was a name given to them long years ago, well not that long ago) I have to get ready for Church have a blessed day.
Thanks Dolores, and you have a blessed day also. Because you have a hearkening heart, I've no doubt the good Lord will speak to you at the assembly.
Hard-shelled Baptists, eh? You mean they are a tough nut to crack? Or that they have a crocodile skin?
Anyway, as long as your light is shining bright, and not hidden under the bed; being a blessing in this world. I heard recently this nice expression: Someone cannot help everyone, but everyone can help someone. Those simple words have encouraged me a lot.
More from JC Ryle later on.
I ought to mention that Ryle has probably influenced my thinking even more than Charles Spurgeon.
These verses show us, secondly, the original source from which man's salvation springs. That source is the love of God the Father. Our Lord says to Nicodemus, "God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
This wonderful verse has been justly called by Luther, "The Bible in miniature." No part of it, perhaps, is so deeply important as the first five words, "God so loved the world." The love here spoken of is not that special love with which the Father regards His own elect, but that mighty pity and compassion with which He regards the whole race of mankind. Its object is not merely the little flock which He has given to Christ from all eternity, but the whole "world" of sinners, without any exception. There is a deep sense in which God loves that world. All whom He has created He regards with pity and compassion. Their sins He cannot love--but He loves their souls. "His tender mercies are over all His works." (Psalm. 145:9.) Christ is God's gracious gift to the whole world.