'There is no clear and universal understanding of what is moderate drinking. Its meaning varies between cultures and within cultures according to gender, age, socio-economic status and people's self-reported tolerance'

Trendy bottled beer 'Newcastle' in the US- known as 'Dog' in my home city of Newcastle because it makes you 'mad', the bottle also was the most used offensive weapon.

'Alcohol is implicated in 47% of violent crime'

Which alcoholic drinks sold in UK public houses were available in Bible times? The aggressive brainwashing alcohol industry is Satan's instrument to ensnare millions of souls.

'Abstain from all appearance of Evil' I Thes 5: 22

10 things the alcohol industry won't tell you about alcohol - Doug Sellman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8djI1rUQkw

US Alcohol Advertising, Examples
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jliidcBd_8

UK'47% of 15 year old girls have been drunk at least once in the last 4 weeks'

http://www.gty.org/resources/Sermons/80-381/Interrogating-Alcohol

Fredrick Charrington

http://www.setfreebangor.co.uk/finding-god/frederick-n-charrington-abandons-fortune

The MacArthur links are helpful re: the evil alcohol industry today (I Thes 5: 22), the wine of the bible and why chose to abstain. The Charrington link explains how a brewery heir was converted 'I am responsible for their misery'.

I was converted in 1990 and became an ex-drunkard, once influencing a 16 year old to drink who commited suicide when drunk. I have never met a converted drunkard who drinks even moderately. 1991 I witnessed to Bryan who came to profess conversion. His older brother was into real ale pubs. I told Bryan that he would be a better witness to his brother if he abstained, but Bryan chose moderation and accompanied his brother Steve to real ale pubs. One day after returning home from the pub Steve was drunk, fell and hit his head and died after being in a coma.

It was a writer who is against abstinence who writes about watered down wine as 'the common wine' and drank when water supply was bad- often contaminated etc.

Moderate drinkers today are abstaining from alcohol for the same reason as C H Spurgeon was convicted by 1884. I am not against moderate drinking!

John UK wrote:
You've mentioned this before, brother.

Consider how thirsty families would be with no water supply, needing to drink therefore plenty of watered down wine.

Strong drink and undiluted wine in the Bible would get you drunk!

Drinking unwatered wine would be a personal choice, but likewise always the choice of the one who liked to get drunk! Moderation? Well some one define it! The problem is that we know two glasses today can get you drunk, so what was moderation in the Scriptures with undiluted wine and strong drink-was it the same as today? Did 2 glasses make you drunk If so what is moderation then and today?

If one Greggs sausage roll is ok to eat
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Yet 2 alchopops; 2 cans of strong larger; 2 glasses of certain wines can lead to the above behaviour and who in the UK cares-so much for safe drinking? Modern alcohol industry is not the same as watered down wine in the Bible!

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Cheaper than a Sausage Roll, why not consider what Dr Peter Masters has to say about the modern alcohol industry and apply it biblically.