Furthermore, Mosiah 10:32 says, āYea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God.ā
So the question would be, have you denied yourself of all ungodliness? In deed, in your thoughts? Even one lustful thought would make you ineligible to ever receive the grace of elohim.
And you have to fulfill the greatest commandment, to love God with all your might, mind and strength, have you ever achieved this? If youāre honest youāll say ānoā
Ephesians 2:8-9 says,āFor by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.ā
@Chris, howdy there. Iāve studied Mormonism, Iāve read The Great Apostasy, Lectures on Faith, Our Search for Happiness, etc. and even some of the Mormon Scriptures.
But you brought up some interesting things but I want to focus on one:
1. If you love me keep my commandments
This is true, if we truly have been born again then we will have a Spirit filled desire to worship the one true God. (Deut. 6:4, Isaiah 41-45)
But here Christianity and Mormonism is already at tension, hereās why. In Mormon theology there are 3 gods for this universe and there are an innumerable amount of other gods outside our universe. (Teachings of the prophet JS, pgs. 369-370)
Yet the Bible teaches that there is only one God (Gen. 1:1 Deut 6:4, Isaiah 41:4, Mark 12:29-30)
And this ties directly into the gospel because hereās what the LDS scriptures teach:
2Nephi 25:23 says, āFor we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.ā
Notice that you have to do all you can, if youāve ever neglected doing something (a good work, preaching the gospel of heavenly father, etc.) you then, according to LDS theology, cannot enter into glory...
Sir, have you ever read a bible commentary? I seriously have to ask you that question because there are times that we scratch our head and say, āWhere did John Gill get this from?ā
Any pastor who is faithful to scripture is open to questions and challenges regarding his interpretation.
And sir, to be honest, your position is cultish, it is unbiblical, logically challenged, inconsistent, and I hope you do not live your life that way because it will cause you to have false hope and may have dire consequences in trying to find a church.
John, if you believe that every teacher or pastor has to always be correct 100% of the time in order to be qualified and cannot possibly make an interpretational mistake, then there would be no pastors because every pastor is human and thus is fallible.
It seems that you believe that questioning and challenging a pastor on a certain issue cannot be done with humility, respect, submission, love, gentleness, and that the pastor cannot take it with the same attitude. And that it causes division, and somehow it sets me up as a higher authority than him.
āIf he = Taught and Johnny Mac = Teacher, he reserves the right to analyse Johnny's teaching (and correct him) and proclaim himself higher in knowledge than Johnny, because he as Connor knows far more than Johnny Mac and ought himself (Connor) to be in the Teaching position and Johnny Mac can be in the Taught position.ā
No, itās to recognize that Pastor MacArthur is human and I know that he is smarter than me, but being smart doesnāt make you infallible...
If a layman cannot question or challenge a pastor/teacher then that is cultish. I have taught Sunday School at my church before and have just about always said at the end, āIf you have any questions, you can always ask me.ā And when I quote something I not only give citations but also bring the book with me (if necessary) so they can borrow it to see if Iām taking it out of context
I had someone āquestion/challengeā my interpretation of a passage, we talked about it, I gave my reasons for believing my interpretation and we talked about it for a little bit etc.and it was encouraging to me and he was encouraged as well. I was able to reference Josephus (pg.number) and lend him a book (pg. number as well)
...Out of all the things that the church is struggling with, do we really need to add fuel to theological fire? Thatās why I really donāt want to be part of the āCalvinist Clubā so to speak.
I am Reformed, all 5 points, etc. but my fellow Calvinists needs to cut it out, be watchful, be humble, cut the āIām going to be a cool Calvinistā and actually be willing to say that MacArthur, White, Durbin, Molher, Phil Johnson, Lawson, etc. arenāt infallible and that you can rightfully disagree with them and point out their errors in a humble manner.
And to realize that Beer and pipes aināt going to win them brownie points in Heaven and they aught to be willing to stop the use of them for the sake of Christian unity.
āThe new challenge is how to take the Mohler/ Russell/ Greear / Rainer- apologize for everything , revert to the welcoming liberalism and make the gospel a flawed Calvinist model when the majority of people have 75 years of baptist fundamentalism teaching that asked people to give the heart to Jesus and things will work out as he walks along with you. Simple people canāt handle academic arrogance and follow it off a cliff without saying,ā umm wait a minute chosen frozen professor, weāre paying for this calamity ā.
May you please expound on the flawed Calvinist model? Because Iām a Calvinist and Iām not a fan of academic arrogance, Iām not a fan of the pipe smoking beer drinking casual dress preachers, because I think they miss the theological boat of not offending the brethren...
@HTBCC, no one really takes you seriously when you do all caps and to be honest, you are doing such a fantastic job at eisegesis it looks like something that should be on The Babylon Bee...seriously, you are not handling the word of God properly by interpreting Revelation in such a zany matter by inserting, without warrent, Jesuits, the RC Church, etc.
And Iām not a KJVonlyist (neither were the apostles, early church fathers, Hus, Wycliffe, Luther, Tyndale, Erasmus, Baza, the KJV translators, Whitefield, Brainerd, Edwards, C. Wesley, Knox, MLJ, etc.) so weāre not all in the āWE TRUE KING JAMES HOLY BIBLE ONLY BORN-AGAIN CHRISTIAN-CATHOLICS-/-PROTESTANTS-/-INDEPENDENTSā
Nonetheless, everyone needs to not only read the article but also the comments on the article, itās very entertaining.