To Jim Lincoln's larger point on Dominionism: You can't really say that Christ is Lord of your life if you stick Him in your back pocket whenever you enter the public square. That means He should be Lord of your actions at work, home, and the ballot box! And if you happen to hold some form of public office then certainly defending the innocent from such blatent injustice should be your first priority as "a minister of God"!
(TMC) @ Dolores âGod has put a few of us Arminians on here to set the record straight and keep the Calvinist in line and to help some of you to lighten up for heavens sake.â
Just for the record, I hold to the historic Calvinist view of the Atonement (ie. Sufficient for All, Efficient for the Elect), along with the rest of TULIP but do not agree with some of the behavior that other adherents of the Doctrines of Grace have displayed lately.
For me, one big reason I left Arminianism, is that I would far rather stand before God having given Him too much Glory in my Salvation, then stand before Him having stolen credit for His work in me. You may find this article to be interesting- I know itâs a link, but I promise it is a fair and gracious analysis of the difference:
...mean that a large percentage of the Church is non-Elect because they hold to and defend erronious eschatology? The Pre-, Post-, and Amillenials canât possibly all be collectively without error- someoneâs got to be wrong.
Okay, I see I need to back up a bit. There are certain core things you have to believe in order to be a Christian (ie. I am a sinner seperated from a Holy God, Christ who was fully God and fully Man bore my sin on the cross reconciling me with God, etc.). Bottomline- THAT the Gospel works and will save you. Then there are beliefs about HOW the Gospel works and saves you. Now you can take some of the beliefs about HOW the Gospel works, run them to their logical conclusion and come up with absolute heresy that creates a non-Gospel. But at least in my neck of the woods 99.9999% of people who would qualify as Arminians donât run things to their logical concluson. They are much more likely to say, âI donât know exactly how God saved me, but Praise the Lord, He did!â and chalk it up to something theyâll learn about in Heaven. Now, should we say that because these folks never subscribed to the Truth of the Doctrines of Grace that they are outside of the Elect? I, for one, will not unless convinced by a plain reading of Scripture.
I honestly cannot see how 1 John 2:27 even implies that the Elect will never defend error. And if somehow that is what it means would it not, along with every other argument proposed so far, mean that a large percentage of the Church is i
Umm... I didnât say you said Christ saves based on understanding and Iâm not trying to put words in your mouth, just trying to flesh out and clarify. Iâm sorry you misunderstood that. Sanctification: âthe act of God's grace by which the affections of men are purified or alienated from sin and the world, and exalted to a supreme love to God.â -Websterâs 1828
It is only through the Lordâs cleansing of our minds (sanctification) that we can comprehend any truth. Therefore knowing only truth and not holding to or defending any error would be perfect sanctification of our understanding.
You are absolutley correct that Christâs Anointing âis no lieâ and the Spirit does not teach error- but 1 John 2:27 does not say that âNo elect believer defends errorâ!
You say âIn due time we come to a right understanding of how God saves, who He saves, who He loves.â Who determines âdue timeâ, and can you say from Scripture that such understanding will come this side of heaven?
There is one way to be saved- and that is for the Lord Jesus Christ to save you! His saving power is not dependant upon our understanding of itâs operation, nor can I find such understanding to be listed in Scripture as âthe fruit of a âblood boughtâ believerâ. Can you?
You said point blank, that no one who is Elect will defend error. Can you show me from scripture any promise of perfect sanctification in ANY area this side of glorification? The Lord does sanctify some in their soteriology, but exactly where is that promised to all the saints? The Lord chose to sanctify many other areas of our lives for many decades before anyone in my family espoused TULIP. As ones who claim to believe in His perfect Sovereignty, why should we question that such is often the case? It would be as well to question why He leaves any portion of our mind and heart in un-sanctified error before Heaven. I do not understand or know why, but it is His work, therefore it is best!
(TMC) @Ladybug âNow, IF one is elected unto life, they will not defend error. The fruit of a 'blood bought' believer is just that .â
Just wondering, can you show that from scripture? All of Godâs children will, without exception, be perfectly doctrinally sanctified as a sign of the New Birth? Or is there a âGrace Periodâ, and if so, where can I find that taught in scripture? Or have I misunderstood you?
About the RP and âPsalms, Hymns, and Odes Spiritualâ-
Just my opinion, but it seems inconsistent to hold to the RP (Worship must be based only on the Word of God) and then redefine a portion of the Word of God from âPsalms, Hymns, and Odes Spiritualâ to âOnly Psalmsâ based only on the word of fallible historians.
I just never feel comfortable when someone claims that exta-biblical knowledge is the only way to know and avoid some sin. It seems to call into question the way God wrote it, and feels rather close to the Catholic arguement that the Scriptures are too complex for all believers to be able to take at face value.
âMany smart-speaker owners don't realize it, but Amazon keeps a copy of everything Alexa records **after it hears its name**.â
Then they didnât read the instruction manual and theyâve never been on their Alexa account online (which is where you have to go to configure the settings on Alexa in the first place)! If you say, âLetâs listen to something... Alexa, play music from My Libraryâ she will transcribe âAlexa, play music from My Libraryâ as a card on your account along with what she played or said in response. She will not record âLetâs listen to somethingâ.
Those cards are readily available front and center on your Alexa account. This allows you to see what everyone else in your family has been requesting, which is great for parents; and you can delete cards you do not wish them to store.
Bottom line, asking Alexa a question is no different then typing in a web search- a log is being kept and could be used against you at any time. Proceed with caution. However, unless she lights up, sheâs not recording or even connecting to the internet.
@Wayfarer Pilgrim My Grandma used to hold to that same method of determining guilt- the result was my Dad often got punished for things that were actually done by my Uncle or one of their foster brothers and it was a real strain on their relationship. At any rate, it certainly isn't a Biblical standard of determining Truth!
There seem to be SOME people who have gotten sucked in by internet "truth tellers" - hucksters who peddle "secret knowledge" that usually involves the wholesale slander of particular ethnic groups as the source of any and all evil.
There is so much that is heartbreakingly wrong with this, and I know more than one person who has fallen victim to these lying crackpots as an over-reaction to the liberal media. Some of these frauds even claim to be "Christians" complete with "Angel Feathers". Why does it never occur to people that what Satan offered Eve- Secret Knowledge- is exactly what they are seeking from these seedy websites... some of which even credit "Serpents of Wisdom" as their mentors!?
ALL people of every ethnicity are Totaly Depraved, we are all of One Blood, and NO people group can sovereignly orchestrate the future. God is the only True Sovereign. If your sources of info say differently then they are being used by the Father of Lies.
(TMC) Psalm 104:15 âAnd wine that maketh glad the heart of man...â âwineâ = in Hebrew âyayinâ (Strongs H3196) âFrom an unused root meaning to effervesce ; wine (as fermented); by implication intoxication: - banqueting, wine, wine [-bibber].â
Isaiah 65:8 â...As the new wine is found in the cluster...â ânew wineâ = in Hebrew âtÄ±ÌyroÌshâ (Strongs H8492) âFrom H3423 in the sense of expulsion ; must or fresh grape juice (as just squeezed out); by implication (rarely) fermented wine: - (new, sweet) wine.â
(TMC) "He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth; And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart." ~ Psalm 104:14-15