7 Thunders from the 7 Hills of Rome Harold Barton in "It's Here: The Time of the End' (1963) also agrees with Elliott that the 7 Thunders are Papal thunders against the Protestant Reformation.
"The 'usurper' immediately replies to the loud cry of the angel which symbolizes the going forth of the Word of God to the people, uttering seven thunders from the Papal throne. John understood what the seven thunders spoke but was forbidden to write them, for they were not authoritative and did not come from God. If he wrote them they might be regarded as worthy of attention. These were, no doubt, but the often-heard thunders of the Vatican, which proceeded from the seven-hilled city of Rome. 'Papal thunders,' as a phrase, appeared often in the historical records of those times, so almost at once the Papal thunders made themselves heard in an effort to intimidate the Reformers and the people." (pg. 158, 159)
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Chapter 26; OF THE CHRUCH
Paragraph 4. The Lord Jesus Christ is the Head of the church, in whom, by the appointment of the Father, all power for the calling, institution, order or government of the church, is invested in a supreme and sovereign manner; neither can the Pope of Rome in any sense be head thereof, but is that antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalts himself in the church against Christ, and all that is called God; whom the Lord shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.
Very timely, Pardon the pun Great Sermon! I appreciate the emphasis on our accountability before God. May God strengthen my resolve as Jonathan Edwards to bring glory to God with my use of time. Thanks Dave
SteveR wrote: Sodomites hate Romans 1, and they spend lifetimes trying to validate their lusts. Anarchists also hate a Chapter in Romans, Romans 13. Romans 13 has never been in dispute, but the wicked fight it and bring damnation upon themselves Romans 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation For centuries its always been understood to be the CIVIL magistrate. Its not just hardliners, here is what Methodist Adam Clarke says. "As God is the origin of power, and the supreme Governor of the universe, he delegates authority to whomsoever he will; and though in many cases the governor himself may not be of God, yet civil government is of him; ...no Christian is authorized to rebel against the civil power; he must bear the persecution, and, if needs be, seal the truth with his blood, and thus become a martyr of the Lord Jesus. This has been the invariable practice of the genuine Church of Christ. They committed their cause to him who judgeth righteously."
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Straightforward Alfred: Did all Natural Israel (as you say) enter into heaven? Your answer must be some. If some entered heaven - how? They believed God. Is there more than one way of salvation? No, it is all of grace through Christ. The way and faith of Abraham ALWAYS represented true spiritual Israel and it is the faith that Christians should hold today. Anything else, demeans Christ.
Great Sermon! When I was first confronted with the doctrine I did not get angry because it sure seemed that Ephesians was plain enough and that God can do what he wants. Good sermon on a tough topic for many.
Excellent excellent Sermon! An excellent rendition of what the new birth is. This should also show us the supernatural aspect of our physical birth also, in that only God bestows life, both physical and spiritual. And each is a gift that is more precious than Gold. We tend to discount physical birth because it happens to every one but with out Gods breath of life, in each, neither would exist. Praise God from whom all blessings flow, for it is only by Him and through Him that we have life, and breath, and have our being !
interesting sermon You make a lot of valid points in this sermon but have left me with a couple of questions. First, are you saying that we have to be regenerated BEFORE the Holy Spirit works in our lives? And second are we not quickened or regenerated SO THAT. We can hear the call, so that we will respond to the call, and so that we will believe when the call comes?
In other words, do we have to accept and believe, to have the Holy Spirit work in our lives, or does the Holy Spirit come up on us, regenerate or quicken us, (save us)so that we have the faith to believe?
I have asked these question of many a pastor, and have had them trivialized repeatedly. But have found the answers to be profound in showing me what pastor believe and teach.