Christopher000 wrote: By the way, it's hardly fair that you refer to everyone here as pathetic imbasiles
to all of us: We might not even be having this discussion with J4Jif men feared God more than we did the opinions of religious experts
No endorsement of J4J but a humble thankfulness he threw up an important passage of Scripture regarding those who are going to hell.
26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, â€śVengeance is Mine, I will repay.â€ť And again, â€śThe Lord will judge His people.â€ť 31 It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Hebrews 10:26-31
This applies to two kinds of people outside the church and within "Church society" with empty 'Lord, Lord' religion
Good Morning! all. Providentially came across an article on Charisma News (don't get angry with me for checking their site SA has often given links to their reporting, which is often quite good on the news)
From the article: Pastor Francis Chan warned an audience assembled at the National Mall in Washington, D.C., on Saturday, that too many Christians are ashamed of the gospel and, as a result, are changing their theology.
This article goes on an links to a fuller telling of the story; Chan essentially pointing to, in my words, 'we don't get persecuted for feeding the poor, we get applauded for fighting human trafficking, not persecuted, and people don't get angry with us for laboring for racial reconciliation [let me add: often lost people will flock to an entertaining, well performed inspiring Christian music concert or even Hollywood movie]
Here is an often repeated example of someone ashamed of actually preaching the Gospel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mACbV4xweHE
Adriel wrote: God's Holy Word warns us today..... 2Cor 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."
Amen! and Amen! to that, Adriel
The very next verse is also powerfully filled with life: 2 Corinthians 7:1 Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
Adriel, I hope you know that you've got yourself stoned or at least shunned and put on the bad list, in far too many of today's Pro-Roman Catholic Ecumenical and even Interfaith Seeker Sensitive type churches.
Christopher000 wrote: ladybug writes: When I recall my past sins, it is troublesome to me. But, when I think of how all that vileness was laid upon Christ, it greatly distresses me to think a holy, sinless God would be a sin offering for ALL my vileness.
Christopher000 Thank you for quoting Ladybug. Taking her comment deeper
An enormous part of my testimony of conversion was having a woman explain the Cross to me; He proving His very real compassionate undeserved love for me a guilty sinner, in enormous danger of perishing in my sin; Jesus dying in my place because He loved me, while I was still a sinner that brought me to where I wanted this Jesus the Bible tells us of, tells us the Truth of so many religious people aren't (I was raised Catholic), making me want to be His disciple in every part of my life, to know Him and be with Him, all the live long day, not just for 75 minutes on Sunday morning
And by His grace seeing it is this kind of love He has for heartbreakingly lost sinners, desiring none to perish but for all to come to repentance that is a huge part of motivating me to go and tell them of the One who saved a wretch like me.
â€śHave you no wish for others to be saved? Then youâ€™re not saved yourself, be sure of that!â€ť - CHS
Ignominius Emirakan wrote: "By any biblical measure, America is most definitely not being born again ...
IE While I have to sadly think many naive and gullible people who profess to believe will get real excited thinking we are headed to a great Revival
In my previous post I wanted to point to the Mercy and Sovereignty of God using this imperfect President to give His people opportunity to leave the safety of their "pristine churches" to actually go out into a dirty and dark world with the light of the Gospel
Please do humbly thank God for His mercy to us and to everyone who will hear the Gospel and Believe in Jesus Christ in this opportunity we have right now, and not squander it away complaining and fault finding. People simply will never believe in Jesus Christ if they have never heard of Him, and if we don't have the enthusiasm to speak up and preach the Gospel now what makes us delude ourselves when things get imaginably worse that somehow we will finally get up off our blessed assurances and go into places we don't want to go, to give a message we haven't been willing to give, a message sin loving people haven't wanted to hear and treat it as important, life and death realities when they see THEY WEREN'T THAT Important to us?
Now for all of us who read these news reports, I urge you and pray for you and ask/beg you to pray along with me ; that you (we) would not receive this grace of God to speak freely about our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in vain, and waste the opportunity we are being given here.
I trust you already know, the battle is going to heat up, and the joyful victory of obedience to Jesus, to preach publicly in His name, pray in His name, speak of His name, to teach of Him to people, especially children, teens and their parents and teachers, who Satan seeks to prevent ever hearing of Him, will be more than worth it
A long desperately needed "first step" in turning away from the heinous sin of child killing and acknowledging life, and each life is a gift from God, begins at conception.
Please do pray for the very imperfect President Donald Trump and all those in his administration, along with other weak and imperfect politicians (FIRST THAT THEY GET SAVED!) to have the strength to stand up and speak out and do what is right (you might want to pray for weak knee'd pastors in this as well)
Please do pray that Jesus take the media and educators out of the hands of Satan and use them, changing them to investigate and tell the truth for a wonderful change.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Another Michael, please take note
Jim, are you encouraging us to be prepared to shoot violent life threatening radicals to protect our wives and children?
I do hope you know blacks, browns and whites make up those committing Antifa-type assaults, disruptions and violent attacks. "Editing": Sometimes in black neighborhoods against black business
Here is a heartbreaking one for you, among those going into the local abortion clinic here yesterday, a black mother (I am assuming here, in her 30's) taking in (by appearence) her underage teenage daughter (right along with a whole bunch of thoroughly and deliberately depraved white folks) to terminate by death her own granddaughter ... and you want to preach to me about and white racism
All people need the Gospel And the sinful cowardice to preach it knows no color lines does it.
Connor7 wrote: Michael, your thoughts concerning modern day Calvinist are...interesting to say the least, but here are some modern day Calvinist that might change your opinion:
Connor7 No! Not really. When I speak of "Modern Day "Calvinists"" I am speaking of individuals who I have met and know professing "Calvinism" who are out to convert people to their version of 5 Point Calvinism at all costs, and reject you if you don't.
More than one individual including a pastor who belittles prayer because it doesn't really matter to them because everything is already predestined and to them prayer changes nothing ... one Pastor I suspect because of other things is one who won't even pray for the salvation of his own parents.
And I don't want to forget the camp of regeneration before and totally independent from hearing the word of God, having godly sorrow over their guilt and the intimately personal choice being drawn by God to do so, to accept/believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior
Your list is bit of a mixed bag of Calvinists/Reformed, notable to me Durbin likes Ray Comfort; Washer likes Leonard Ravenhill.
Here are some that might help you. Ryan Fullerton J.D. Hatfield Paris Reidhead Sean Harris David Platt Francis Chan
Just a comment If you haven't already heard of Antifa look them up.
Here were I live there is concern, local Antifa (or Antifa type groups) are planning violence against Police First Responders Churches Conservatives and Christians
Some are urging that responsible level headed law abiding individuals obtain lawful firearms, training and permits to carry, as part of their lives, to protect innocent unarmed targets of violent assault if an unthinkable attack happens
Certainly a matter of much honest humble God seeking prayer and prayerful study
UK Christian wrote: He saw no conflict preaching the Doctrines of Grace and His Jesus, as both Biblical.
UK Christian I apologize my comment twas so brief. I was on my way out of the house.
Never met Spurgeon ... yet. Until then what I know of this imperfect servant of the Lord Jesus Christ is this, many of his sermons, various biographies people have made about his life (which often emphasize different aspects of his life)
Some things I have found different with him in contrast to many modern day Calvinists
Prayer Open-air preaching Helping the poor Especially his Christ-centered preaching (NOT 5 Point centered)
Calvinism seems to have not been a litmus test for those he would associate with, such as DL Moody
And as much as I like him, as much as God has used his ministry in my life, for conscience sake I would differ with this well beloved cigar smoking preacher somewhat on music.
My preaching? Still growing in this. Understand my heart is in evangelism, in loving lost people. Ever hear of Whitefield weeping over lost sinners? I am not "there" yet but growing in that direction - stand outside an abortion clinic and see mothers bring their daughters in to kill their babies. I like using the Law, warning of Judgment,
Christopher000 wrote: Michael, I think you confused me with Connor. I'm sure Connor is honored and thrilled, but for myself, I forgive you in advance for thinking I was him...ha-ha. Connor, haven't forgotten about you, buddy...will get back to you shortly.
No, I didn't confuse you with Connor 7 I just wanted to comment to you to be wary of overzealous 5 Point TULIP Calvinists because we all need Jesus Christ not somebody's version of Him
There is way too much in this issue to answer in a brief post.
Now this is my opinion/observation: Some, THANK GOD, not all who call themselves "5 Point Calvinists" have, in my words here hijacked certain Biblical Doctrines, complication and twisting them, in an attempt to foist there version of Calvinism upon others, viewing themselves as the only genuine true Christians, to them all others a wrong or worse of Satan (leads to some serious persecution if you go against them; think: the execution of Mary Dryer a Quaker, June 1, 1660 (no endorsement of Quakers intended)
Enormously different from leading people to saving faith and devotion to Jesus Christ, to know Him personally for themselves, to love Him, serve Him in what He has called them to, NOT what the religious elite dictate to them.
Brief advise, seek to be Biblical, immerse yourself in Scripture, believe and do what God says to you, even if certain Calvinists have a cow.
Please remember "hijack" as if we get sucked into the never ending conflict with "hypers" Satan would have us throw out the baby of genuine Biblical doctrines like election and predestination and become some kind of one eyed Arm
Connor 7 wrote: ... you've not dealt with my criticism of your view of the love of God, and you've not answered my previous question in respect to, "Can the natural man decide to love God?" So, can you answer the question, ...?"
Excuse me, Connor; but why in the world ought I be concerned about your criticism? Are you some kind of infallible teacher, apostle, prophet? Can you separate anyone from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus? Shut up heaven against them?
Do you not know or have forgotten the Lord Jesus Christ was criticized as being a friend of sinners, in my words here, He was someone who genuinely loved and cared for them, so much so He regularly spent time with them, even ...
Thank You, John for Jesus
... to weeping over Jerusalem. I seem to remember a Calvinist of a different sort (George Whitefield) doing the same thing over people he preached to, weeping for them.
Quite likely things the natural man does not understand. And like how unregenerate religious experts fail to comprehend (they cannot)
Yes! A natural man can "decide" to love God ... BUT NOT ON THEIR OWN Only by the Sovereign GRACE & Convicting work of God by His word and His Spirit, to cry out to God to be saved from their sin.
Mr b wrote: What a sad display. That coffee shop owner is going to regret every abominable word he spoke against the Lord. I am truly truly saddened at the spiritual state of our nation. I pray for that mans salvation. Anyone going to hell isnt a good thing. God have mercy on not just that man , but upon anyone whoâ€™s heart is far from You, awaken the pulpits across america, awaken fellow believers. This is eternal life and death. In Jesus name, amen
Mr b It was good to read your post this Lord's day. God indeed has had such immeasurable mercy upon us who were so dead in our sins, so inexcusably guilty of sinning against Him without any excuse whatsoever. I love your prayer, and agree with you wholeheartedly, "Father, awaken everyone who professes to believe in Your Son Jesus Christ, from the pulpit to the pews and the pews to the pulpit; empower us by Your Spirit, teach us, lead us and send us afresh into the harvest field to witness the reality and love of Jesus Christ to them, till sinners feel the horror of their sins and flee to Jesus Christ to save them from their sins, to come to love Him preeminently above all others and all other things. Even here in NY State. Amen
Dear Connor 7 I can sense Pink is very, very important to you and your Calvinism; but you really didn't need any "documentation" to know where he was coming from did you.
Here is where I thoroughly disagree, and so should you, with the interpretation "the world" in John 3:16 is only the elect. It is found in the very next verse:
"For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him." John 3:17
the words "might be" contrast considerably with "that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."
Let me emphasize "should not perish but have" would indeed speak of the elect being those who believe ; but absolutely NOT the interpretation that God loved only the elect, with an immeasurable unconditional love (not an irresponsible arbitrary love).
Connor 7 wrote: Michael, that wasn't documentation, documentation would be something like,
Connor 7 I think I ought to apologize as "5 Point T.U.L.I.P. Calvinism" is way too an emotional and divisive issue; that will never be resolved by proof texting.
Yes, I already know some/many calling themselves Calvinists are famous for evangelizing ... ones like Spurgeon pointing men to Christ and exhorting them to believe on Him. While others whom I have personally met are an entirely different sort who might 'break their neck to force someone into their version of Calvinism and exhibit a depraved indifference for the salvation of the lost who come to know, love, follow and serve Jesus Christ; and sometimes even a hostility to someone who by the sovereign grace of God has actually found the Messiah and loves Him.
And lest you forget others, non-Calvinists, also evangelize. Ever hear of DL Moody? AW Tozer? Paris Reidhead? Leonard Ravenhill? Ray Comfort?
My bottom line, call yourself what you will and in the Power of the Holy Spirit evangelize! win people to Jesus Christ! not yours or mine or anybody else's "ism" ... this is of course something the unregenerate will not understand or appreciate