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4/22/2020 10:36 PM |
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B. McCausland wrote: Good insight. US Please, use valid logic in interpreting intend. My response to QC was to avoid unnecessary repetition of what had been already stated. People like yourself relying on internet sources heavily to defend presuposed assumptions without practical insight of correlating issues of history, tend to err at the expence of biblical truth. Only Scriptures can be depended upon without error and that only of its original underlying uncorrupted texts. BMcCausland you obviously believe you have superior intellect and reasoning abilities and your are more than welcome to that viewpoint. I would certainly agree that you have a very good intellect. As usual when you cannot refute a point you state that those (in this case me) have issues with logic, facts, and conclusions. Thus saying that because you are you, you are correct and others are incorrect. It's a pattern with which I am all too familiar. Thanks for sharing your opinion. Have a good day. |
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4/21/2020 10:15 AM |
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John UK wrote: Bro US, you're doing it again. I have to go out on my prayer walk just now, but if you would care to show me where I said that the cross was an invention of the RCC, I will consider your statement, and if necessary, apologise. Your 4/19/2020 5:22 PM post and you seem to be implying, my apologies if I am wrong, that the reason that "deception" of a cross instead of a pole is due to the Christians adopting the views of the RCC. |
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4/21/2020 9:29 AM |
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When John persists the cross was an invention of the RCC when it can proved it isn’t is that not moving the goal post?When John UK says people think the way they do because they believe that they’re ok, their church is ok, their worship is ok, etc when it has nothing to do with the subject at hand, is that not moving the goal posts? When sister B answer to QC is to discredit him by saying “Perhaps you should re-read the posts below and read history broadly rather than depend on private understanding or on a single opinionated source” is that not moving the goal post? When Adriel says Christians think taking up cross means walking around with a plank of wood in tow and he has probably never met anyone who told him that, is that not moving the goal post? When it said you cannot count on history, archaeology and quotes from people who were born in the first century then it looks to me as if we are moving the goal posts simply because it doesn't agree with our thinking. Folks if we going to offer criticism of others we more than likely should start by looking at ourselves first. |
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4/20/2020 6:09 AM |
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Thanks John for your response. I have a great deal of respect for Vines. I must say that history, archaeology, and the following previously cited quote that cannot be said it was just someone mistranslating it with their understanding and that was said by a person who died long before the 3rd century began means that Vines is expressing his opinion Pseudo-Barnabas, A.D. 80 - 130 You have Jesus [the first two letters of Jesus in Greek, which is Iesous). And because the cross was to express grace by the letter Τ (tao), he says also, "Three Hundred." He signifies, therefore, Jesus by two letters, and the cross by one (tao, shaped like a cross). Finally, my brother, where in my post did I castigate you for not answering my questions I posted 4/19/2020 8:02 PM. ? I do find it interesting that no one can say why saying it is a cross and not a pole is somehow dubious and leading Christians astray. |
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4/19/2020 8:02 PM |
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Thank you John for taking time to respond, hope you had a good night’s rest. Your assumption is that the reason we have a cross is due to the RCC, I do not think your are correct in your thinking as the language precedes it. You asked did you get what the cross looked like from say pictures. Yes John, we use pictures. the Bible speaks of things we see in pictures. It talks about the serpent, probably something you knew what it looked like from pictures before you experience it in real life. We are visual people. The list of examples go gone on and on. We certainly use history to enhance our understanding of Scriptures. Are you saying we should not? Does your fellowship practice foot washing? More than likely not because we understand in that day the few roads that were available were dirt and shoes as we know it did not exist, so it was customary to wash people’s feet. Thus we understand the words Christ said to Peter apply to us, our sins have been cleansed by His blood but we need daily cleansing from the filth of the world the flesh and the devil. Satan is trying to deceive us by saying a stake is a cross. Not sure how a cross is a counterfeit that distorts the truth, maybe you can elaborate. Thanks |
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4/19/2020 4:47 PM |
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Still more evidence that y’alls view doesn’t have any historical/archaelogical backing (with the possible exception of the use of ropes also) https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/crucifixion/jesus-and-the-cross/ See also https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/crucifixion/roman-crucifixion-methods-reveal-the-history-of-crucifixion/ https://www.bible.ca/d-history-archeology-crucifixion-cross.htm A look at the Pagan Christianity book http://www.tektonics.org/books/violarvw01.php Nevertheless, my question has not been answered. Why do you think the “church” decided to change it from a stake to a cross, what would their motivation be? |
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4/19/2020 1:37 PM |
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First, from my 4/16/2020 9:25 AM post"so while it could mean pole it also had different meanings, not uncommon with Greek words" So I was by no means trying to be deceptive. So to you and those who hold your view. Why do you think the “church” decided to change it from a stake to a cross, what would their motivation be? There are several statements using the word cross long before Constantine and/or the Catholic “church”.
Clement of Alexandria, c. A.D. 190 We have as a limit the cross of the Lord, by which we are fenced and hedged about from our former sins. Therefore, being regenerated, let us fix ourselves to it in truth, and return to sobriety, and sanctify ourselves. (The Instructor III:12) Pseudo-Barnabas, A.D. 80 - 130 You have Jesus [the first two letters of Jesus in Greek, which is Iesous). And because the cross was to express grace by the letter Τ (tao), he says also, "Three Hundred." He signifies, therefore, Jesus by two letters, and the cross by one (tao, shaped like a cross). Clement of Alexandria, c. A.D. 190 We have as a limit the cross of the Lord, by which we are fenced and hedged about from our former sins. Therefore, being regenerated, let us fix ourselves to it in truth, and return to sobriety, and sanctify ourselves |
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4/19/2020 9:11 AM |
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John UK wrote: Bro US, you are being economical with the truth making a bold statement like that. Naughty naughty. . First you ask for sources, so I gave you some Then you say I am making a "bad statement"G4716 (Strong) σταυρός stauros stow-ros' From the base of G2476; a stake or post (as set upright), that is, (specifically) a pole*** or cross ***(as an instrument of capital punishment); figuratively exposure to death, that is, self denial; by implication the atonement of Christ: - cross. But I do agree the cross is an invention of man. |
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4/18/2020 5:23 PM |
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(3) the ordinary Roman cross †, Cruz immissa. Our Lord suffered on the third description, the Roman cross. This consisted of two pieces, the one perpendicular (staticulum), the other horizontal (antenna). About the middle of the first was fastened a piece of wood (sedile), on which the condemned rested. This was necessary, else, during the long torture, the weight of the body would have torn the hands, and the body would have fallen. The cross was not very high, scarcely twice the height of an ordinary man. Strong nails were driven through the hands and feet |
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4/18/2020 3:21 PM |
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John UK wrote: The problem with your point Mike, is that Jesus carried his stauros for part of the way to Golgotha according to my text. So if you were translating stauros in the text, you could not translate it as 'pole' because you say that was already in place. Which only leaves the crossbeam, but it does not say 'crossbeam' it says 'cross'. But stauros actually means 'pole' or 'stake'. Can you see the problem? John your oft quoted verse demonstrates the cross was in two pieces. In more than one gospel it is noted that Simon bore part of the cross and in John we see the following versesJohn 19:16 Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away. John19:17 And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha: If our Lord bore His cross to Golgatha and Simon also bore part of it, then it would suggest there were two different pieces, one heavier (the pole) and one lighter (the cross beam) Brother Frank. having been praying for the pastor with the cancer. Good to see sister MS post!! My wife and I social distancing policy seems to described in Job 41:16 |
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4/16/2020 9:25 AM |
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n first century Palestine, where most crucifixions are believed to have taken place, there were various kinds of crosses that were used for crucifixions. There was the “crux simplex,” which was a simple lower case “t” shaped cross that had a footrest on it, there was the “crux commissa,” which was a capital “T” shaped structure, there was the “crux decussata,” which was the “X” shaped cross that St. Andrew is believed to have been crucified on, and then there was the “crux imissa,” the lower case “t” cross with no foot rest, the kind of cross that Jesus Christ is believed to have been crucified on. The crosses made in Palestine were mostly crafted from pine, cedar, and cypress trees, with pine made crosses being the most prevalent in Jerusalem.https://www.quora.com/What-different-kinds-of-crosses-were-used-for-crucifixions?share=1 If you go with the interpretation John seems to be implying you are taking the JW's view. see also Wikipedia article on crucifixtion section on shape of cross, it is documented https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion so while it could mean pole it also had different meanings, not uncommon with Greek words |
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