John 10 uses figurative language. Christ is "the door of the sheep."

You are correct that παροιμιαν is used in John 10:6 and is translated "proverb" in John 16:29.

People like JD claim that he has the power of his freewill to break the bondage of sin because it is not a literal bondage in the sense of slavery. I give Michael a little bit more credit, he doesn't seem to follow that teaching, but doesn't really understant the total depravity of man and the necessity of God's intervention before anyone can be saved. He doesn't understant the difference between election and final salvation. Once you get a handle on terms like election, calling, regeneration, justification, the rest falls in place. They are all biblical terms, not invented by the Calvinist.

Here again you are equating election and regeneration with final salvation. They are not. Jesus said that "except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." Repentance and faith are prerequisite to final salvation, not election or regeneration. However you cannot be saved apart from election or regeneration as those are God's means of grace and are prerequisite to believing and repentance.

Rev. 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Rev. 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Rev. 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Casob wrote:
You did not say anything about any drawing in your testimony. You said you repented and received the free gift of salvation.

How did you receive it?

BT FAITH

Are you now changing your testimony?

NO

HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU ARE ONE OF HIS? What verse in Scripture assures you that you are and if you can repent and be saved after hearing the gospel, then anyone can repent and be saved after hearing the gospel? In fact, they are commanded to!

Acts 2:38, Acts 3:19, Acts 16:31, Mark 1:15,

You wrote
God has already done it for you.

So, you are saying you did not receive Christ into your heart? Would that be an accurate statement, please?

I have the Spirit of Christ and of God indwelling in my heart as the scripture says.

Casob wrote:
This does not explain how you know you are one of the few elect.

Casob wrote:
If you could react to the Scriptures this way, then anyone could with the same results.

He does not draw those who are none of his.

Casob wrote:
Are you saying Jesus is not in your heart or that you just did not receive him into your heart?

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

1 Cor. 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Gal. 4:6 And because ye are sons, (present tense) God hath (past tense) sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

God has already done it for you.

Casob wrote:
Lone Wolf,

Now, this is what I was looking for. You said you did these things. That must mean you were told somewhere that if you did them God would save you. Where did he say it and what is your confidence that you will be eternally saved?

Casob wrote:
What does referencing those verses mean? What is your personal reason for believing you are one of the elect. Anyone can reference verses!
Do you have a personal testimony of salvation or not?

Casob wrote:
When you can give a biblical reason that you personally can know you are one of the elect of God, then come back and we can discuss doctrinal issues. But if you can not be sure you are even saved, discussion with you will be futile.

He came to seek and to save that which was lost. He came to save his people from their sins. Did he fail in his purpose? He did not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

That is the gospel you reject.

You have been duped by the Pauline gospel cult that rejects the gospel of Christ and preach the gospel of Paul only. They are both the same. Christ preached his death, burial and resurrection in his gospel.

I don't think Elkin was trying to be smart here, but merely indicating that whether you believe that Christ was crucified on Wednesday, Thursday or Friday is really irrelevent, but do you believe on the resurrected Christ and gave his testimony for the hope that he has.

1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

For the record, I hold to a Thursday crucifixion. Since he arose very early morning on the first day of the week which corresponds to our Sunday, backing up 3 nights and 3 days.

Saturday 6PM to Sunday 6AM = one night.
Saturday 6AM to Saturday 6PM = one day
Friday 6PM to Saturday 6AM = two nights
Friday 6AM to Friday 6PM = two days
Thursday 6PM to Friday 6AM = three nights
Thursday 6AM to Thursday 6PM = three days. So positing a Thursday afternoon crucifixion would fulfill the prophetical three days and three nights as well as resurrecting on the third day.

DJC49 wrote:
Oh, I get it ... Proverbs 1:22-33 was written specifically to show GOD'S accusatory opprobrium against those who believe in election!!! Great exposition, Casob!
And thanks for the enlightenment!
This guy is UN-be-lievable, man.
(Picture me shaking my head in disbelief)

Minnow wrote:
There really is only two ways for election
Either God did/does it.
Or
Man by his very own free will does it.
Some Examples of Free Will doctrine adherents are
Pelagius (5th Century)
Semi-Pelagians
Arminians
Synergists
RCC
Liberals
JW's
Episcopalian
Mega Churches
Mormons
Unitarians
Oh. And of course JD.

Noticed, he said "God Says he will save us but we must be willing to be saved."

Mike wrote:
Why do you hold that Christ must have failed if He died that all might be saved, but not all will be? Has man no responsibility for loving his sin more than he loves God?

1. It does not say that he will try to save his people, it says that he SHALL save HIS people.

2. He gave his life for His sheep.

He was given a perticular flock by the Father to redeem.

3. Christ loved the CHURCH and gave himself for it.

Here again, he gave his life for a particular group of people.

He accomplishes whatever he set out to do as it was the will of the Father.

Christ would have failed if he didn't accomplish his mission. He secured the salvation of his people. He didn't make it available and left the results up to man. He made it secure and left the results up to God.

DJC49 wrote:
We know that Abraham believed in resurrection from the dead by #1. We know this because God had promised Abraham that Isaac would have descendents [Gen 17:19]; and when Abraham obeyed in faith God's command to sacrifice Isaac, he stated to his 2 servants that both he and Isaac would return [Gen 22:5] after "worshiping" God.

John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

So yes, he did have a knowledge that there would be a Messiah coming from his decendants contrary to Casob's belief.

DJC49 wrote:
They came from a LITERAL interpretation of the text! Of course, the context of the text was also greatly taken into consideration.
Right ... Casob?